Millennials lack basic survival skills

madoka

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I'm actually surprised some of the responses were as high as they were. 44% have never been camping; I would have thought it was higher. It's probably because I picture tridentboy as your typical millennial.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/74...-survival-skills-London-Boat-Show-Bear-Grylls

A survey shows millennials are missing out on practical skills such as map reading or fishing, compared to their grandparents’ generation.

More than half of young adults were unable to tie a single knot and 40 per cent had never swum in open water, despite Britain being an island nation.

The poll, conducted ahead of the London Boat Show, found simple life skills have been left behind with advances in technology.

Researchers also found that most people under the age of 44 prefer to use Google Maps and Sat Navs to get around, but half of over-55s stick to a paper street map.

Just a third of the 2,000 surveyed know how to spark a flame by natural means, with less than a third having caught their own fish or seafood.

Those born before 1950 were also three times more likely to be able to tie a sheepshank knot compared with those born in the 1990s. And the survey also revealed that 44 per cent have never actually been camping.

A London Boat Show spokeswoman said: “Despite the rise of TV shows such as I’m A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here and Bear Grylls: Born Survivor, young people lack basic survival skills such as building a fire or catching food.”
 

Chaotic42

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I'm on the older edge of being a millenial, but I'm comfortable doing all of those things (except swimming, I can tread water, that's it). Even though I was a cartographer for years, I still prefer digital maps when the data is correct. The problem there is that the data is often crap because like everything else, its collection is farmed out to the lowest bidder who hires the most incompetent analysts to put it together. It's a pretty serious problem.

The issue with millenials is that they've never had to do these things. A tire change is just a phone call away. Maps are all digital. There's so much to engross them and their parents (let's be honest here, the Boomers and Generation Xers are always on their phones and watching TV too), that there's no need to go out into the woods to hunt, fish, or camp. You can just watch The Voice or put a dog nose on your selfie online. They usually don't have to do much work to figure things out. This becomes an issue when they enter the workforce and need ridiculous amounts of hand holding.
 

twinrider1

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It's not just millennials. Heck, forget outdoor skills. What would a person was out somewhere and lost their phone. How many phone numbers do you have memorized these days?
 
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I'm not shocked, but I also won't read too much into this for a few reasons. First, there's the obvious aspect (its just a poll, and without knowing what they actually asked people, well let's just say that misrepresenting stuff like this is very common in the media). Second, there are a ton of younger people that camp and hike and do outdoorsy things. I don't know that you'd find them at a boat show, or doing surveys.

I think Chaotic42 touched on it a bit. They haven't had to do those things, so they haven't gone out of their way to learn to do those things. And a lot of that stuff is pretty simple to learn (that's kinda the point of having legends on Maps is so that it requires little real knowledge to figure out).

Lastly, isn't this a good thing for the Millennial haters? This way they'd apparently all die off if the zombie apocalypse or whatever other nonsense apocalyptic scenario happened.
 

purbeast0

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Fishing is my favorite thing to do in warm weather, aside from snorkeling, but I can't do that where I live only on vacations. There is nothing more relaxing than being out on the water away from everything. A lot of my friends don't understand how I can go do it by myself for hours on end and just fish. My favorite place to go is when I have to hike for 3/4 a mile, then climb down this steep bank and wade in water that is 1-5 feet deep with rocks sticking out of the water to step on too. The best part is that there is pretty much never anyone else there so it's just peaceful the entire time I'm there. The only downside is there is about a 2-3 month window that conditions are the way they need to be for me to fish there. I just wish I could do it year round.

I never "had" to fish in the sense that I needed to do it to survive, but it's just something I've always liked and started it with my dad back in the day. I hadn't done it in probably 10 years until like 6 years ago when power was out for 3 days straight and one Sunday I just decided to go fishing randomly. I'm glad I did because it got me back into it.

FWIW I'm 35 and was born in 81.
 

Billb2

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Millennials think digitally - screw drivers are plus and minus instead go Slotted and Phillips.
They see the world in a different way. Unfortunately a lot of valuable and personally satisfying skill sets are being lost.
 

cbrunny

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<- millennial ('86), can do all of those things. don't use a paintbrush.
 

highland145

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i've never camped and have no intention. A/C+hot showers+cable=win.

It was nearly 80 on Christmas so I took the opportunity to get as ride in. 16 miles through 5 different neighborhoods and not 1 kid outside playing.
 
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Fingolfin269

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Couldn't one create a slightly different poll with bias and try to use the results to chastise those >55?

For example, "Only x% of those over 55 use Google Maps. Instead they prefer to use a paper map. The problem here is the paper map has likely has not have been updated in the last few years to account for all of the growth that has occurred across the area over the past several years."
 

highland145

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I use the gps and paper map if it's somewhere I don't know. That damned British woman will take you around your elbow if you don't watch her. I think she's in collusion with Exxon.
 

sdifox

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Pretty sure plenty of people my age dont know how to read a map. I am 47. It's really more of a priority thing.
 

K1052

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Neither of my Boomer parents could do most of those things and probably haven't been "camping" since Eisenhower was president.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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It's not just millennials, a large number of folks lack survival skills. Every time I go camping, I have to warn other campers about something that's possibly life threatening. Mostly, it's ignorance and never being taught. I do applaud the number of people I meet trying to give their children something they never experienced as a kid. I've always thought some kind of reality class should be taught in school so, kids would understand that water doesn't come out of faucets and, food is grown in the dirt and not manufactured.
 

Murloc

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I don't get why knowing how to fish, hunt or tie particular knots is relevant, the fish in the lake will never be enough for a city if there is rationing due to war, so you're going hungry anyway after the first few days, there's no point in planning around that.
In the US it's a bit different because you have wilderness areas so you could indeed survive like that, but in Europe anything that looks non-urban will actually be farms and stuff or be inhospitable or too small to survive, and stealing chickens doesn't take much skills.

Also a total doomsday situation is so unlikely that it's a much better investment to learn the modern skills that allow you to survive the automation era. That can still include using a screwdriver or doing car maintenance as humans are going to do some of that stuff for a long time.
The more likely situations are world and/or civil wars, which case it's much easier to move to a more stable country, and you just need money to get in and stay put for a while, if you can't immigrate legally that is (which is pretty easy if you're rich). Even if you stay in a war zone, with money you can still afford the higher food prices.

Personally:
  • I have camped.
  • know how to light a fire with either chert or magnifying glass
  • I know how to read a map and stay safe in the sea and rivers.
  • I know enough family phone numbers.
What is more useful is teaching basic farm stuff, as if there is food rationing and massive unemployment gardening or keeping chickens can be worthwhile, plus inner city kids may not know where food comes from and knowing it would help making more sound dietary decisions.
 
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Exterous

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I'm not sure what swimming in 'open water' has to do with a lack of life skills. To me that doesn't read as 'cant swim' but more 'hasn't gone swimming in the ocean.'

Also - preferring google maps over a paper map doesn't mean you can't read one. I can read one but still prefer google maps because it reroutes me based on traffic, construction etc and I don't have to try and find a map for every country\state I visit
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I don't get why knowing how to fish, hunt or tie knots is relevant, the fish in the lake will never be enough for a city if there is rationing due to war, so you're going hungry anyway after the first few days, there's no point in planning around that.
In the US it's a bit different because you have wilderness areas so you could indeed survive like that, but in Europe anything that looks non-urban will actually be farms and stuff or be inhospitable or too small to survive, and stealing chickens doesn't take much skills.

Also a total doomsday situation is so unlikely that it's a much better investment to learn the modern skills that allow you to survive the automation era.
The more likely situations are world and/or civil wars, which case it's much easier to move to a more stable country, and you just need money to get in and stay put for a while, if you can't immigrate legally that is (which is pretty easy if you're rich). Even if you stay in a war zone, with money you can still afford the higher food prices.

Personally:
  • I have camped.
  • I know how to read a map and stay safe in the sea and rivers.
  • I know enough family phone numbers.
What is more useful is teaching basic farm stuff, as if there is food rationing and massive unemployment gardening or keeping chickens can be worthwhile, plus inner city kids may not know where food comes from and knowing it would help making more sound dietary decisions.
Mostly, aside from the skills required, it's a mindset. How much of our current technology is based on communications? Now, suppose for whatever reason either short term or, long term, you no longer have access to communications of any kind. Not having a knowledge of the basics of survival would turn any city into a death camp because, our entire infrastructure depends on communications. Your phone, computer and, energy needs are helpless without it. The basics don't guarantee survival, they just increase your chances plus, they're fun.
 
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Murloc

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I'm not sure what swimming in 'open water' has to do with a lack of life skills. To me that doesn't read as 'cant swim' but more 'hasn't gone swimming in the ocean.'

Also - preferring google maps over a paper map doesn't mean you can't read one. I can read one but still prefer google maps because it reroutes me based on traffic, construction etc and I don't have to try and find a map for every country\state I visit
You can end up in a current or get sucked in by strong waves or fall off a boat, a pool swimmer may panic or underestimate the risk in the first place.

I can remember paper maps from when I was young: endless frustration because they're always out of date or not detailed enough, missing a freeway exit because the interchange is weird etc.

Reading a map on google maps isn't that different from a paper map really. I sometimes print google maps because I'm on prepaid.
 

Exterous

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You can end up in a current or get sucked in by strong waves or fall off a boat, a pool swimmer may panic or underestimate the risk in the first place.

Currents are not exclusive to open water so just saying 'open water' doesn't mean 'currents' to me. (But perhaps thats a Brit thing) Also - just having swam in 'open waters' absolutely does not mean you know how to deal with currents. I've seen certified divers not know how to handle a current and they certainly have spent a bit of time swimming in open waters
 

lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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Couldn't one create a slightly different poll with bias and try to use the results to chastise those >55?

For example, "Only x% of those over 55 use Google Maps. Instead they prefer to use a paper map. The problem here is the paper map has likely has not have been updated in the last few years to account for all of the growth that has occurred across the area over the past several years."
A paper map from 1950 will probably get you where you need to go, even if it's not the most optimal route.

That aside, I see helpless people from all generations. People should be embarrassed at their lack of knowledge to get by in the world, but many times they're proud of it. From not tying crap properly to the car, to the inability to sharpen a knife, to treating the computer as a mystery box.
 

pauldun170

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I'm gen X.
I'm leaning more towards bullshit poll and article doing the standard "Those darn young people!!!" schtick.

My guess is that if you were to perform the same poll every decade using similar methodology, excluding specific technologies you would see consistent results.

"Half the kids can't tie a knot therefore shake the sticks and chase them off lawns!!!!"
 

ponyo

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Feb 14, 2002
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It's not important. When is the last time you tied sheepshank knot? I've never. Last time I used paper map was back in 2001 before I got TomTom GPS. And I haven't used standalone GPS since I got my smartphone. And fishing is a hobby or job. It's not survival skill. I would rate gardening/farming higher on survival scale than fishing and I consider gardening a hobby. I'm surprised they didn't include grilling or BBQing as survival skill.
 

lxskllr

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It's not important. When is the last time you tied sheepshank knot? I've never.
I've tied a sheepshank, but it's not so important. What is important is to know a handful of knots that aren't simply stacked granny knots.
 
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