Classic shitpost and run from one of our many resident dipshits. I scanned through the thread. Anybody note the story is probably fake/made up/email forward?
So college is education, not training, but some fields or degrees may passively provide some of those skills through the nature of the curriculum. Whether or not that's how it should be can be debated. I think there's merit to both but lean towards it being education. I think critical thinking and problem solving skills are generally developed earlier, and certain fields will reinforce that in college much more so than others. Teamwork and communication standards are largely dictated by company culture and structure. It sounds like a lot of companies make improper broad brush assumptions about what a college degree provides and are too lazy and/or cheap to train people and set clear expectations. The generations raising kids, educating them, and hiring them are mostly the same. The younger generations exhibiting these issues, if the issues really are more significant and not just better documented, are the symptoms, not the source.
The exam, known as the Collegiate Learning Assessment Plus, measures the intellectual gains made between freshman and senior year. The test doesn’t cover subject-area knowledge; rather it assesses things like critical thinking, analytical reasoning, document literacy, writing and communication—essentially mimicking the baseline demands for professionals.
"Students about to graduate from college have higher prose and document literacy than previous graduates with similar levels of education; for quantitative literacy, differences between current and former college graduates are not significant."
“Despite the lackluster performance of many graduates on quantitative literacy, we should nevertheless be encouraged that current college graduates are not falling behind in terms of literacy when compared to graduates from earlier generations,”
Twenty percent of U.S. college students completing four-year degrees—and 30 percent of students earning two-year degrees—have only basic quantitative literacy skills, meaning they are unable to estimate if their car has enough gasoline to get to the next gas station or calculate the total cost of ordering office supplies, according to a new national survey by the American Institutes for Research (AIR). The study was funded by The Pew Charitable Trusts.
Yea, and that report says graduates are better are reading documents
More than 75 percent of students at two-year colleges and more than 50 percent of students at four-year colleges do not score at the proficient level of literacy. This means that they lack the skills to perform complex literacy tasks, such as comparing credit card offers with different interest rates or summarizing the arguments of newspaper editorials.
Students in two- and four-year colleges have the greatest difficulty with quantitative literacy: approximately 30 percent of students in two-year institutions and nearly 20 percent of students in 4-year institutions have only Basic quantitative literacy. Basic skills are those necessary to compare ticket prices or calculate the cost of a sandwich and a salad from a menu.
Scores rose as one moved up in educational attainment, as the table below, examining prose literacy, shows. But the table also shows that scores fell from 1992 to 2003 for virtually every educational level, and the declines were steepest, by and large, the further up the ladder one moved. The contrast was even steeper in the realm of document literacy. Scores declined by three points or less for those who had at most a high school degree, while the average document literacy score for college graduates dropped by 14 points, to 303 from 317, and by 17 points for those with some graduate education (to 311 from 328).
Pressured by businesses to produce graduates with up-to-date technical skills, colleges could be relaxing their standards for requiring liberal arts classes—precisely the types of classes that research has shown develop the soft skills businesses also want.
"A lot of colleges still have curricula grounded in the liberal arts," said Martin Van Der Werf, associate director for editorial and postsecondary policy at Georgetown University's Center on Education and the Workforce. "But most could also be accused of chasing after what they think most businesses want ... what the next hot major is. And designing curricula to bring students up to snuff on the technical skills they need for a degree sometimes comes at the expense of grounding them in the liberal arts."
Yea, I read it, thanks!From the article:
The AIR study found there is no difference between the quantitative literacy of today’s graduates compared with previous generations, and that current graduates generally are superior to previous graduates when it comes to other forms of literacy needed to comprehend documents and prose.
Students about to graduate from college have higher prose and document literacy than previous graduates with similar levels of education; for quantitative literacy, differences between current and former college graduates are not significant.
Employers Say Students Aren't Learning Soft Skills in College
Has a reliance on technology robbed young adults of soft skills? Or have today's companies—many of them startups and dependent on ever-changing technology—grown impatient and unwilling to wait out what was once a predictable, on-the-job learning curve?www.shrm.org
Yea, I read it, thanks!
From the article:
there's also quite a bit of good information below what you just quoted.
For instance:
One other note: A few others we interviewed for this job, we unfortunately had to give a written test. By this I mean, they had to take a paragraph of about 4 or 5 sentences and write it in longhand, meaning by hand. This is because reports will need to be written by the technician in the field and we need to be able to read his writing. We had to dismiss numerous applicants due to not being able to read their writing. Very sad. How will they ever be able to fill out a job application or even write a check.
The best people with natural soft skills are also the most sociopathic. The skill of being totally not candid and saying exactly what the other guy wants to hear requires the lack of a moral compass, not a hypersensitive one , which is what the new pop morality is trying to push onto the "inclined to be better guys and gals" in the world. .Employers Say Students Aren't Learning Soft Skills in College
Has a reliance on technology robbed young adults of soft skills? Or have today's companies—many of them startups and dependent on ever-changing technology—grown impatient and unwilling to wait out what was once a predictable, on-the-job learning curve?www.shrm.org
Your newsletter is certainly engaging.The best people with natural soft skills are also the most sociopathic. The skill of being totally not candid and saying exactly what the other guy wants to hear requires the lack of a moral compass, not a hypersensitive one , which is what the new pop morality is trying to push onto the "inclined to be better guys and gals" in the world. .
A mix of life experience and what little taste of the communication major I could get in college certainly can shape a viewpoint.Your newsletter is certainly engaging.
We had to dismiss numerous applicants due to not being able to read their writing. Very sad. How will they ever be able to fill out a job application or even write a check.
my handwriting's been trash for a long time, LOL. it was decent in HS but by the end of college i was skipping several words at a time, abbreviating everything, and accidentally combining words in every sentence.
and annoyingly, pen and paper doesn't have a ctrl+Z. luckily i only have to write maybe once or twice a year.
in my freshman year of college, 1 person brought a laptop to class. in my senior year, there was nobody who didn't bring one to class.
Yea, I read it, thanks!
From the article:
there's also quite a bit of good information below what you just quoted.
For instance:
And yet most "lack the skills to perform complex literacy tasks, such as comparing credit card offers with different interest rates or summarizing the arguments of newspaper editorials." Those are high school skills!
The best people with natural soft skills are also the most sociopathic. The skill of being totally not candid and saying exactly what the other guy wants to hear requires the lack of a moral compass, not a hypersensitive one , which is what the new pop morality is trying to push onto the "inclined to be better guys and gals" in the world. .
Are they? Compound interest was taught to me in like...grade 6? But that was at a public school, my christian high school didn't do any money math. I think money skills should be taught and reinforced throughout a person's schooling, but to my knowledge it isn't. It was also part of Accounting 101 I took as an elective in college.
Are they? Compound interest was taught to me in like...grade 6? But that was at a public school, my christian high school didn't do any money math. I think money skills should be taught and reinforced throughout a person's schooling, but to my knowledge it isn't. It was also part of Accounting 101 I took as an elective in college.
There are plenty of examples of bad people even when they consider themselves successful. Donald Trump, Randall Stephenson, Steve Jobs are good examples of bad people.
I got as far as Calculus in High School, but was never really taught "Compound Interest". I really believe that should be taught, at a reasonably early age, at least by grade 8 or 9.Are they? Compound interest was taught to me in like...grade 6? But that was at a public school, my christian high school didn't do any money math. I think money skills should be taught and reinforced throughout a person's schooling, but to my knowledge it isn't. It was also part of Accounting 101 I took as an elective in college.