million dollar lottery winner still collecting food stamps

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CountZero

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Uh, no. I'd find a new job.

BS. If you got laid off you don't know how long it will take you to find a job. Not seeking unemployment while you are looking for a job is just stupid no matter your situation.

If she correctly reported her income then seems fair to get food stamps to me (I read that she didn't so in that case screw her). It is no different than corporate loopholes. No different than a CEO with $1 salary and 15% capital gains tax on the money they live on. The system has a set of rules in place, knowing and using those rules is the name of the game at the high end but we deride people on the low end for doing it.
 

ShawnD1

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Apparently it's not against the law, so that's Michigan's own fucked up fault.
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This is how rich people get rich. If the law says you can pull shit, then you should pull shit. I don't understand people who willingly fuck themselves in the ass. I don't live in the US, but I would totally try to get food stamps and other free shit. If I qualify, then obviously I'm the person that system was designed to help. The people who hold their noses up and say "I'm above food stamps" are retarded and that's why they'll never be wealthy.
 

highland145

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No, he actually paid it, but the state tries to avoid transparency by putting it on the employers side of the transaction. It's money taken out of a transaction between parties A and B, regardless of what the paperwork says.
You're saying that the employee would make a little more if it weren't for unemployment insurance paid to the state by the employer? If so, I still contend the employer isn't going to give that $$ to the employee in their check if they don't have to pay the insurance so it's still not the employee's $$.
 

Train

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You're saying that the employee would make a little more if it weren't for unemployment insurance paid to the state by the employer? If so, I still contend the employer isn't going to give that $$ to the employee in their check if they don't have to pay the insurance so it's still not the employee's $$.

You're speaking after the fact. Adding a "employer paid tax" to the payroll only adds downward pressure to the actual wage. It may not showup immediately, but it makes labor cheaper overall, meaning its easier to hire more people, thus forcing wages back up. LIke I said, it is the INTENTION of the state to hide this cost from the masses.
 

highland145

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You're speaking after the fact. Adding a "employer paid tax" to the payroll only adds downward pressure to the actual wage. It may not showup immediately, but it makes labor cheaper overall, meaning its easier to hire more people, thus forcing wages back up. LIke I said, it is the INTENTION of the state to hide this cost from the masses.
Why would the state want to do this? And why would wages go back up just because more were hired?

In SC, I pay on the 1st $12K (iirc) of each employee. Multiple claims gets companies/business types slapped with a higher rate. So it would be more expensive to hire more cheap labor. I paid about $100 last year for me and a part time. Yeah, that's cheap.
 

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Zedtom

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I've talked to a few people who automatically assume she is black. When I mentioned that she is white they put the race card back in their pocket and pull out the entitled white trash card.
 

Lithium381

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She got 500,000+ dollars . . .. invested in long term bonds she could have gotten a 4% return .... netting her 1700/month for doing nothing! that's a $10/hour job full time! Just think, if she had worked in addition to that she's set for food, rent, etc. that's a nice nest egg to not only gain current income but to retire on later in life!
 

Lithium381

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I've talked to a few people who automatically assume she is black. When I mentioned that she is white they put the race card back in their pocket and pull out the entitled white trash card.

I made that assumption, too. I started to feel guilty but then didn't.
 

Hacp

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She got 500,000+ dollars . . .. invested in long term bonds she could have gotten a 4% return .... netting her 1700/month for doing nothing! that's a $10/hour job full time! Just think, if she had worked in addition to that she's set for food, rent, etc. that's a nice nest egg to not only gain current income but to retire on later in life!

Where are you getting this 4% return?
 

Train

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I've talked to a few people who automatically assume she is black. When I mentioned that she is white they put the race card back in their pocket and pull out the entitled white trash card.

How do you know they assumed she was black? Did they say "oh, she must be black?"
 

Train

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... No different than a CEO with $1 salary and 15% capital gains tax on the money they live on. ...

Uh no, keeping more of your own money is not even in the same ballpark as getting to spend other peoples money. Especially money that is collected under the guise of it going to people who REALLY need it.
 

CountZero

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Uh no, keeping more of your own money is not even in the same ballpark as getting to spend other peoples money. Especially money that is collected under the guise of it going to people who REALLY need it.

If you paid taxes and take advantage of programs paid for with those taxes how is that different than paying less taxes?

In other words if I would owe $10k but used something to only pay $9k how is that different from paying $10k and getting $1k back in assistance.
 

Train

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If you paid taxes and take advantage of programs paid for with those taxes how is that different than paying less taxes?

In other words if I would owe $10k but used something to only pay $9k how is that different from paying $10k and getting $1k back in assistance.

Because the assistance is paid for by everyone,
 

CountZero

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Because the assistance is paid for by everyone,

There is no difference between someone legally paying less than their expected share into the system and someone legally getting more than their expected share out of the system.

You can argue about whether or not what is being done should be legal but as long as it is legal there is no difference.
 

postmortemIA

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she will be worse off by the end of this year than if she didn't win lottery. made already two big purchases (house and a car), so rest of her money will go supporting these two until there is nothing left.
 

CountZero

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she will be worse off by the end of this year than if she didn't win lottery. made already two big purchases (house and a car), so rest of her money will go supporting these two until there is nothing left.

And she told her family. Apparently that's the biggest downfall is letting friends/family know and they intentionally or unintentionally drain you.
 

highland145

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but it makes labor cheaper overall, meaning its easier to hire more people, thus forcing wages back up.
But you can't hire more people because you have to pay more tax.
It's called supply and demand.
That makes no sense in the current economy. I need 50 guys that I pay less because I have to pay the tax. The only way the 50 are going to get more is if 1:the company makes more and I'm willing to give it to them or 2:less available help in the labor force. If I do hire more then I have to pay more tax, keeping their wages suppressed. With the economy like it is, I could suppress wages even more and keep more for myself if I were a greedy bastard. If I needed a skilled workforce, in short supply, then they could put the screws to me, i.e. welders are making $48/hr in some parts of the country.
 
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vital

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I don't see what the issue is if this is legal? Perhaps welfare dept needs to put in audit policy?
 
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