Millionaire wants his house taxes cut by two thirds

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Lifer
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all property taxes need to be rolled back and capped and eventually eliminated.
 

glenn1

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Rich apologist cheerleaders who dismiss criticism of said rich that abuse the system, usually pass the blame on the system itself; Well, the system is screwed up!!

Now, we have this turd trying to manipulate said system; Well, he has every right to!!

Which is it ladies? Do we need reform on our tax system, or not? Make up your minds.

Yeah, once again it's that whole wacky first amendment thing you progressives have trouble with when a rich person is involved. Now it's the "petition the Government for a redress of grievances" part you think shouldn't be available to the 1%ers, along with the "free speech" part of campaign contributions you already think should be thrown out. Plus we already know you think the 2nd Amendment is wrong (albeit for everyone not just the wealthy), so tell me exactly what parts of the Bill of Rights should the rich be allowed to use?
 

Subyman

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So, those that are against this guy, are you saying people shouldn't be able to protest their taxes if they make over a certain amount? I don't see an issue. Anyone can protest their taxes, it doesn't mean they will lower them. There isn't a story here.
 

alzan

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So, those that are against this guy, are you saying people shouldn't be able to protest their taxes if they make over a certain amount? I don't see an issue. Anyone can protest their taxes, it doesn't mean they will lower them. There isn't a story here.

Well the article says he's been paying taxes under protest since 2012;

"Abbey argued appraisers for the state over-valued the property because they compared it to similar properties outside the state, but they did not lower the value after taking into account the property is in Montana."

I don't know how property is supposed to be assessed legally in Montana but that's probably the sticking point.
 

bshole

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Yeah, once again it's that whole wacky first amendment thing you progressives have trouble with when a rich person is involved. Now it's the "petition the Government for a redress of grievances" part you think shouldn't be available to the 1%ers, along with the "free speech" part of campaign contributions you already think should be thrown out. Plus we already know you think the 2nd Amendment is wrong (albeit for everyone not just the wealthy), so tell me exactly what parts of the Bill of Rights should the rich be allowed to use?


What are you, the house *slave* for the upper crust? You are always carrying their water. I have never seen you post anything in favor of the middle class.
 

DrDoug

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What are you, the house *slave* for the upper crust? You are always carrying their water. I have never seen you post anything in favor of the middle class.

I bet they think that one day they will be rich and want to make sure their taxes will be low too.

The White Knights for the wealthy are really sad little people with big dreams.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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What are you, the house *slave* for the upper crust? You are always carrying their water. I have never seen you post anything in favor of the middle class.

Yeah, fancy me sticking up for equal rights for all including the rich and not being like you and saying the rich should just voluntarily surrender theirs. Don't you realize that if we start allowing the rights of the evil rich to be curtailed, the middle class will inevitably follow? Or are you so remarkably naive to think there's some sort of dial which we can use to make superfine adjustments so the pain only hits the people making above some desired income level?
 

bshole

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Yeah, fancy me sticking up for equal rights for all including the rich and not being like you and saying the rich should just voluntarily surrender theirs. Don't you realize that if we start allowing the rights of the evil rich to be curtailed, the middle class will inevitably follow? Or are you so remarkably naive to think there's some sort of dial which we can use to make superfine adjustments so the pain only hits the people making above some desired income level?

Dude the middle class has already given up control of the government. The government is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the wealthy. The "rights" of the middle class were given to the uber-wealthy years ago. You are now standing against the middle class as we attempt to take back some of the power that was taken from us.
 

glenn1

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Dude the middle class has already given up control of the government. The government is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the wealthy. The "rights" of the middle class were given to the uber-wealthy years ago. You are now standing against the middle class as we attempt to take back some of the power that was taken from us.

That's fine if you feel that way. All I'm asking for is you to specify which citizens rights the rich shouldn't be able to exercise and at what income they start to be phased out. Obviously you think guy in OP has lost his right to contest his real estate tax assessment, which other rights do you think he should likewise no longer be able to avail himself of? You know, in the name of "taking back some of the power".
 

bshole

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That's fine if you feel that way. All I'm asking for is you to specify which citizens rights the rich shouldn't be able to exercise and at what income they start to be phased out. Obviously you think guy in OP has lost his right to contest his real estate tax assessment, which other rights do you think he should likewise no longer be able to avail himself of? You know, in the name of "taking back some of the power".

First, anybody who has net assets over 100 million should be cut off from all contact with politicians. No donations allowed to ANYTHING political, no face-to-face meet and greets with politicians, no funding of think tanks, etc....

Regarding the guy in the OP. I have no problem with him having the right to contest his assessment. On that at least we agree.
 

smackababy

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It is hard to say what the property is worth. It look like a nice place that is about 45 min on water from small towns. However, I'm inclined to say that the owner is a bit of a douche for trying to claim that his property is 1/4 of what the assessment.

I don't believe it is he who is trying to claim that. He had it appraised and that is what it was worth. He even states the "official' appraisal merely likened it to other properties of similar size / extravagance in other states. A mansion in Montana will be worth less than a mansion in CA.
 

WHAMPOM

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Yeah, fancy me sticking up for equal rights for all including the rich and not being like you and saying the rich should just voluntarily surrender theirs. Don't you realize that if we start allowing the rights of the evil rich to be curtailed, the middle class will inevitably follow? Or are you so remarkably naive to think there's some sort of dial which we can use to make superfine adjustments so the pain only hits the people making above some desired income level?

You completely misinterpret, this is anger about a rich person being more equal/privileged then the rest of us. Let him pay the same tax rate as his fellow tax payers.
 

boomerang

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First, anybody who has net assets over 100 million should be cut off from all contact with politicians. No donations allowed to ANYTHING political, no face-to-face meet and greets with politicians, no funding of think tanks, etc....
Do you have any other examples of selective granting of first amendment rights that would suit your utopia? List them all, I know that I for one would absolutely love to hear them.
 

smackababy

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You completely misinterpret, this is anger about a rich person being more equal/privileged then the rest of us. Let him pay the same tax rate as his fellow tax payers.

He is fine paying the same tax rate, however, he is not fine receiving a valuation on his house based on the cost of living and valuation in different states, something nobody else in Montana receives. He just wants to be treated the same as his fellow tax payers.
 

glenn1

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You completely misinterpret, this is anger about a rich person being more equal/privileged then the rest of us. Let him pay the same tax rate as his fellow tax payers.

He *is* paying the same rate. Ad like many of his fellow taxpayers is looking to get reduced the assessed value of the property being taxed and and using the same venue the rest of those taxpayers use to contest the assessment. Saying it's improper for him to attempt this is quite frankly baffling, akin to saying the rich shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves in court against criminal charges.

Now if he got special treatment in contesting his tax assessment due to corruption ("campaign contributions", etc.) that's a different story..
 

bshole

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Do you have any other examples of selective granting of first amendment rights that would suit your utopia? List them all, I know that I for one would absolutely love to hear them.

Dunno about that but I believe incomes over 10 million/year should be taxed at a 90% rate and that the inheritance tax for assets over 100 million should be around 75%. We need a return to the tax policies of the 1960s, that would solve MANY economic/societal issues that plague America.

I get that you support oligarchial governments and enjoy living under them, I am a whole lot less enthusiastic than yourself. I am sick of the rich @#$$ing me in the @## and @%##ing in my mouth.
 

boomerang

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Who, that wants this man to surrender his right to appeal his assessment for the purposes of property taxes is willing to surrender their right to appeal their assessment for the purpose of property taxes?

Jump right in and let everyone know.
 

smackababy

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Dunno about that but I believe incomes over 10 million/year should be taxed at a 90% rate and that the inheritance tax for assets over 100 million should be around 75%. We need a return to the tax policies of the 1960s, that would solve MANY economic/societal issues that plague America.

I get that you support oligarchial governments and enjoy living under them, I am a whole lot less enthusiastic than yourself. I am sick of the rich @#$$ing me in the @## and @%##ing in my mouth.

This has got to be a troll. There is no way two people can be this dumb.
 

boomerang

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Dunno about that but I believe incomes over 10 million/year should be taxed at a 90% rate and that the inheritance tax for assets over 100 million should be around 75%. We need a return to the tax policies of the 1960s, that would solve MANY economic/societal issues that plague America.

I get that you support oligarchial governments and enjoy living under them, I am a whole lot less enthusiastic than yourself. I am sick of the rich @#$$ing me in the @## and @%##ing in my mouth.
You're a bag of emotion that is incapable of thinking in a coherent fashion. There is virtually zero logic to your thought processes. When faced with the lack of logic associated with your thinking, you divert off into a tangent with a miniscule amount of relevance in an attempt to save face. So you know, your face...it ain't saved with me. I've been on to you for a long, long time and am virtually certain that I am not the only one. You profess to be an adult. If so, it's way past time to cease thinking like a young teenager.

Good luck with that should you choose to attempt it.
 

boomerang

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Let him pay the same tax rate as his fellow tax payers.
He will. What's in question is whether he will be paying that rate on the correct valuation. He is exercising his right to appeal that valuation. Oh, and BTW, assuming the process in Montana is the same as in Michigan, the review board that he is appealing to will be meeting whether he appeals his assessment or not. They will be meeting because other residents of the county will be exercising their right to appeal their assessments. And the burden of proof is on him. The review board will give him a thumbs up or a thumbs down. They don't have to prove their valuation is correct, he has to prove that it is wrong.

In my state, a property owner not agreeing with the decision of the local three member board can then appeal to a higher authority at our state capital. Now here's where the government stacks the deck against us here in Michigan. If I go before my local review board and successfully appeal my valuation, it is good for only one year. Yes, the assumption is made by the taxing authority that your property is worth less than we valued it at, but it's only worth less for one year. After that, we were right and it reverts back. Niiice. The only way to make that valuation a baseline for future valuations is to have a succesfull appeal to the board in Lansing, the capital of Michigan.
 

piasabird

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From dealing with my local area here in Illinois, I can appreciate how local officials try to change the value of your house by using mulitipliers and assign a market value that you could never sell the house for. I think maybe they should consider he has no access to roads or schools while he is on an island. How many other island homes are there in the USA to compare this to? Just wondering. Does he have services like a boat fire deparment? What county and city services is he getting?

Do the police have boats?

Maybe he should incorporate his property into his own city??
 

moonbogg

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Give him the 2/3 tax break, then go out and demo 2/3 of the fucker's house and take away 2/3 of his property. Cut his boat in half, plus a little extra, to equal about 2/3. Fuckin rich people jesus Christ.

"Well hello. I own an island with a two part mansion. I want more money"
 
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