Millions join anti-China protest in Taiwan

[prontospyder]

TAIPEI (AFP) - More than 2.5 million people joined hands to form a 500-kilometre (310-mile) human chain stretching the length of Taiwan in a huge anti-China protest ahead of the island's presidential elections next month, organisers said.

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[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: prontospyder

TAIPEI (AFP) - More than 2.5 million people joined hands to form a 500-kilometre (310-mile) human chain stretching the length of Taiwan in a huge anti-China protest ahead of the island's presidential elections next month, organisers said.

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Like China gives a damn about what they think. Or that China would stop adding and aiming missiles because they protested.

 

[UltraQuiet]

I wonder what we traded to China for their help with N. Korea; Most favored nation status or Taiwans independence?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I wonder what we traded to China for their help with N. Korea; Most favored nation status or Taiwans independence?

The great and honorable GWB would NEVER . . . I repeat NEVER willingly agree to abridge the inalienable rights of others. You should be scourged for the suggestion.

 

[rufruf44]

Taiwan is quite foolish if they believe US will stand behind them when the Big Red machine decides to cross the strait.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Taiwan is quite foolish if they believe US will stand behind them when the Big Red machine decides to cross the strait.

But, but, but . . . Bush said . . .

The United States made military and moral commitments in Europe and Asia, which protected free nations from aggression, and created the conditions in which new democracies could flourish. As we provided security for whole nations, we also provided inspiration for oppressed peoples. In prison camps, in banned union meetings, in clandestine churches, men and women knew that the whole world was not sharing their own nightmare. They knew of at least one place -- a bright and hopeful land -- where freedom was valued and secure. And they prayed that America would not forget them, or forget the mission to promote liberty around the world.

Oops, nevermind . . . I just noticed Bush is speaking in the past tense.

Our commitment to democracy is tested in countries like Cuba and Burma and North Korea and Zimbabwe -- outposts of oppression in our world.

Our commitment to democracy is tested in China. That nation now has a sliver, a fragment of liberty. Yet, China's people will eventually want their liberty pure and whole. China has discovered that economic freedom leads to national wealth. China's leaders will also discover that freedom is indivisible -- that social and religious freedom is also essential to national greatness and national dignity. Eventually, men and women who are allowed to control their own wealth will insist on controlling their own lives and their own country.

For anybody to bothers to read the President's speech . . . I'm sure anyone could confuse Central America with Central Europe.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Well Doc, I fail to see your point again. It must be because you're so much smarter than me.

So what's the answer wrt Taiwan? Do we line the beaches with Patriot missiles, keep a carrier battle group (and "other" naval forces) in the straits and tell China to back the hell off and in the next breath ask them to help with the NK problem? This sh!t isn't checkers, it's chess and I don't see where we have a move that won't result in losing a piece. Which piece should we lose?

 

[SONYFX]

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Taiwan is quite foolish if they believe US will stand behind them when the Big Red machine decides to cross the strait.

And you are quite "smart" to believe US will let China challenge its power.

 

[bolido2000]

US will not defend Taiwan if they declare independence. They said they will defend Taiwan if China attacks. Hell...if China decides to invade Nk they will probably defend them too.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: SONYFX

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Taiwan is quite foolish if they believe US will stand behind them when the Big Red machine decides to cross the strait.

And you are quite "smart" to believe US will let China challenge its power.

And you're simply a gullible dreamer if you think US will risk losing tens of thousands of its own in a full war against China, for a worthless little island like Taiwan. Heck, by the time the 7th fleet can be mobilized, there won't be much of Taiwan left.

 

[beer]

Didn't we sell Taiwan Aegis destroyers?

China's navy is barely suitable for coastal operations and we sold Taiwan world-class cruisers. China may invade by numbers alone but it won't be pretty. Germany couldn't cross the british straits, I don't think China would have any more luck.

 

[rufruf44]

I think you forgetting the Red Army's long range missile sir (not to mention Nuke). Perhaps dubya would sell some patriots to Taiwan.
Personally I think China wouldn't invade Taiwan. Why would they? Taiwan's economy is sputtering and many of their business has run across the strait to set shop there. No benefit other than pride to take over Taiwan.

 

[AnImuS]

if war breaks out it will be quick. with chinas navy being weak US bombers could blowup any ships trying to cross. while china continues to fire the several hundred missiles aimed at taiwan. theres no way to completely stop them all.

and the US is not able to conquer mainland china with a pop of 1.2billion without the use of nuclear weapons. which will not happen. Just look how scared the US was to invade Japan. But multiply it by 10.
so both countries will talk US&China and taiwan will return back to the same state it is now. the only other outcome is M.A.D

 

[Dari]

If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Dari
If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

With China pressuring north korea, the current foreign policy is supporting China rather than Taiwan. This is a different view than a few years ago, when Clinton supported Taiwan and before NK was a huge issue with them lobbing missles across japan and all.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari
If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

With China pressuring north korea, the current foreign policy is supporting China rather than Taiwan. This is a different view than a few years ago, when Clinton supported Taiwan and before NK was a huge issue with them lobbing missles across japan and all.

Our principles can't be bought, bartered, or shaken. None of this changes anything.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari
If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

With China pressuring north korea, the current foreign policy is supporting China rather than Taiwan. This is a different view than a few years ago, when Clinton supported Taiwan and before NK was a huge issue with them lobbing missles across japan and all.

Our principles can't be bought, bartered, or shaken. None of this changes anything.

Do you really think that? Do you think Bush would do a damn thing seeing as how our forces are already spread so thin and such meddling in China's affairs would be seen as an act of war?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari
If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

With China pressuring north korea, the current foreign policy is supporting China rather than Taiwan. This is a different view than a few years ago, when Clinton supported Taiwan and before NK was a huge issue with them lobbing missles across japan and all.

Our principles can't be bought, bartered, or shaken. None of this changes anything.

Do you really think that? Do you think Bush would do a damn thing seeing as how our forces are already spread so thin and such meddling in China's affairs would be seen as an act of war?

The United States will never leave an ally's side. We will never sit idly by and let a Godless Communist entity rape and pillage innocent Taiwan. America will never let any of that come to pass without kicking some major ass.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Dari


The United States will never leave an ally's side. We will never sit idly by and let a Godless Communist entity rape and pillage innocent Taiwan. America will never let any of that come to pass without kicking some major ass.

I'm honestly beginning to think you're intentionally trolling. Between the "GWB can't lose" and this I am assuming you are, so I really am not going to waste my time anymore.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari


The United States will never leave an ally's side. We will never sit idly by and let a Godless Communist entity rape and pillage innocent Taiwan. America will never let any of that come to pass without kicking some major ass.

I'm honestly beginning to think you're intentionally trolling. Between the "GWB can't lose" and this I am assuming you are, so I really am not going to waste my time anymore.

To me, it sounds like he's being sarcastic.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari
If Taiwan declared independence, China would be foolish to invade. Any US President would have no choice but to jump into the fight. It is our obligation. Some here, especially BBD, have forgotten what Clinton did when the Chinese started making noise. He sent some destroyers as a friendly reminder that Taiwan is an ally that will be defended.

With China pressuring north korea, the current foreign policy is supporting China rather than Taiwan. This is a different view than a few years ago, when Clinton supported Taiwan and before NK was a huge issue with them lobbing missles across japan and all.

Our principles can't be bought, bartered, or shaken. None of this changes anything.

Do you really think that? Do you think Bush would do a damn thing seeing as how our forces are already spread so thin and such meddling in China's affairs would be seen as an act of war?

The United States will never leave an ally's side. We will never sit idly by and let a Godless Communist entity rape and pillage innocent Taiwan. America will never let any of that come to pass without kicking some major ass.

Why not, we let the Soviets do it in Eastern Europe.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Dari


The United States will never leave an ally's side. We will never sit idly by and let a Godless Communist entity rape and pillage innocent Taiwan. America will never let any of that come to pass without kicking some major ass.

I'm honestly beginning to think you're intentionally trolling. Between the "GWB can't lose" and this I am assuming you are, so I really am not going to waste my time anymore.

To me, it sounds like he's being sarcastic.

Most people who make sarcastic remarks know when to stop, he keeps replying to the same thread.

 

[prontospyder]

I don't think any Taiwanese president will risk declaring independence and anger their biggest ally. But the rally was impressive to say the least. It'll be pretty hard to get 10% of the population here to form a human chain that stretches from Canada to Mexico.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: prontospyder
I don't think any Taiwanese president will risk declaring independence and anger their biggest ally. But the rally was impressive to say the least. It'll be pretty hard to get 10% of the population here to form a human chain that stretches from Canada to Mexico.

hands across america?

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: prontospyder
I don't think any Taiwanese president will risk declaring independence and anger their biggest ally. But the rally was impressive to say the least. It'll be pretty hard to get 10% of the population here to form a human chain that stretches from Canada to Mexico.

hands across america?

Thanks, never heard about it until you brought it up. That was pretty amazing too, though there were some breaks in the link:

Hands Across America