Milo Yiannopoulos, has officially opened up a college scholarship exclusively for young white men.

[Crumpet]

I'd just say that's bad luck on your sons part.

Kick in the teeth for sure, but you can blame the other kid for getting in on the merits of his ethnicity just as much as you could say if your son had gotten a B instead of a C then maybe there wouldn't have been a competition. Swings and roundabouts, though I understand your disappointment.

Apparently 72.1% of the students at UGA are white. Only 7.5% are black. At such statistics I can see why a black man with similar grades was selected over a white man with similar grades.

 

[agent00f]

So tell me how you see it. Why should a minority with a lower GPA than my son get picked first? You assume I appear to assume that I am an entitled white person with all the advantages and lots of money. I am the only person in my direct family to graduate from college. No one before me in my family graduated from college. Its not like I come from a long line of rich people. And to the person who said any white male can get into any college that is bull. My son had one C in high school and he could not get into the University of Georgia. He had to go to a two year school first. Now his room mate who is black, and lives down street from us in the same neighborhood had several C's and he got into The University of Georgia. Heck his dad probably makes more money than me base on what he does for a living.

The only propaganda from old racists is when people say back in 1960....... This is not 1960. I was not even born then so I had nothing to do with what happened then.

Repeating yourself will not cure ignorance, but understanding what's being said could, such as what the first word in affirmative action means. It was recognized in 1960 that simply cessation of beatings on the ethnic underclass will not bring about recovery in any reasonable timeframe, and that affirmative action should be take to rectify this centuries old injustice. Again, ideally those more responsible for the beatings/subjugation would pay more, but I think you can figure out why that didn't come to be, and thus that burden fell to a responsible and just society.

But frankly I believe explaining this is mostly pointless, since we know that you wouldn't wish to be black or such just to get some aa benefits, which implies you realize the disadvantages to being low on the conservative status totem. To make this more than clear enough, ponder this comment from one of them:

Very few cases of slavery in the modern world???? Is that a joke? Black people are still enslaving their fellow black people in Africa just like they were doing 250 years ago; and slavery still exists in the Middle East and parts of Asia as well.

Seems clear the implication is that because there continues to be human trafficking & other bullshit in destitute former african colonies that somehow excuses american racist subjugation; because there are rotten blacks over there, and we got the blacks over here, amiright? Really helps justify why the american blacks deserve what they got, or at least why it's not the racists' fault. Just a life tip that you don't want to be on the same side of history as these folks.

 

[agent00f]

I'd just say that's bad luck on your sons part.

Kick in the teeth for sure, but you can blame the other kid for getting in on the merits of his ethnicity just as much as you could say if your son had gotten a B instead of a C then maybe there wouldn't have been a competition. Swings and roundabouts, though I understand your disappointment.

Apparently 72.1% of the students at UGA are white. Only 7.5% are black. At such statistics I can see why a black man with similar grades was selected over a white man with similar grades.

The situation is really clear when someone complains about others getting judicial recourse, but don't wish to be in the position of the wronged to get some of their own.

 

[gplracer]

Repeating yourself will not cure ignorance, but understanding what's being said could, such as what the first word in affirmative action means. It was recognized in 1960 that simply cessation of beatings on the ethnic underclass will not bring about recovery in any reasonable timeframe, and that affirmative action should be take to rectify this centuries old injustice. Again, ideally those more responsible for the beatings/subjugation would pay more, but I think you can figure out why that didn't come to be, and thus that burden fell to a responsible and just society.

But frankly I believe explaining this is mostly pointless, since we know that you wouldn't wish to be black or such just to get some aa benefits, which implies you realize the disadvantages to being low on the conservative status totem. To make this more than clear enough, ponder this comment from one of them:



Seems clear the implication is that because there continues to be human trafficking & other bullshit in destitute former african colonies that somehow excuses american racist subjugation; because there are rotten blacks over there, and we got the blacks over here, amiright? Really helps justify why the american blacks deserve what they got, or at least why it's not the racists' fault. Just a life tip that you don't want to be on the same side of history as these folks.

Still waiting for you to explain it. You post seems to rationalize it based on beatings that were done before I was born and a not so rational comment from another poster on the board.

 

[Crumpet]

Frankly, outside of being proud of your heritage, I don't think ANYONE would be in a hurry to sign up as a black man today...

(or a mexican for that matter... or a native american...)

 

[gplracer]

I'd just say that's bad luck on your sons part.

Kick in the teeth for sure, but you can blame the other kid for getting in on the merits of his ethnicity just as much as you could say if your son had gotten a B instead of a C then maybe there wouldn't have been a competition. Swings and roundabouts, though I understand your disappointment.

Apparently 72.1% of the students at UGA are white. Only 7.5% are black. At such statistics I can see why a black man with similar grades was selected over a white man with similar grades.

Crumpet we do not completely agree on all things but your post makes sense and is much more rational some of the other posts from others on here. It seems some want to attack you for having different opinions. I want equal rights for all. I also want my kids treated fairly.

 

[Crumpet]

Crumpet we do not completely agree on all things but your post makes sense and is much more rational some of the other posts from others on here. It seems some want to attack you for having different opinions. I want equal rights for all. I also want my kids treated fairly.

I'd be as mad as the next parent if my kid missed out on going to the school of their choice. But at least we can be thankful that that may be our biggest complaint. I hope your son either manages to find a place that suits him or he makes good use of his time over the next 2 years.

I try to take things as rationally as possible.

 

[agent00f]

Still waiting for you to explain it. You post seems to rationalize it based on beatings that were done before I was born and a not so rational comment from another poster on the board.

Seems clear you're aware they're the underclass and how that came to be. Good people with modern ethics or some sense of what's right might want to rectify that injustice, which they started before you were born. The fact this underclass and thus injustice still persists though to a lesser degree today only shows how deep these problems run. I cannot stress enough how much you continue to emphasis how "those people" get some benefit, but never why the folks most responsible never paid what they owed, leaving the burden of debt onto everyone else. What compels you to protect them? Seems the benefits of social status are pretty swell.

Again, you're aware of all this, but still decided that said contemporary virtues were not meant for you. Without recognition of faults and motivation to improve, that's the necessary condition for traditionalism/conservatism to thrive.

 

[gplracer]

My grandmother died at the age of 93. When she was 89 two black males stole her purse while she was in the Kroger parking lot. She did not have much money in it but they knocked her down and shattered her elbow. Healing is tough at that age. This all happened about 7 years ago. Should I expect young black males to make up for this? What should be done to make things right?

Nothing should be done because the young black males today had nothing to do with it.

 

[agent00f]

My grandmother died at the age of 93. When she was 89 two black males stole her purse while she was in the Kroger parking lot. She did not have much money in it but they knocked her down and shattered her elbow. Healing is tough at that age. This all happened about 7 years ago. Should I expect young black males to make up for this? What should be done to make things right?

Nothing should be done because the young black males today had nothing to do with it.

Presumably if the perps cannot be brought to justice and pay for it themselves then society as a whole tries to repair the damage with welfares like healthcare and whatnot for her recovery, just like it does for others wronged. If some were more like you, they'd ask why granny gets some benefits which squeezes them at the margins of healthcare and whatnot.

Regardless it's interesting how AA is being framed as "make whitey pay" by the white nationalist crowd most responsible for the crime, which I can guarantee is not in your long term interest to be any part of.

 

[gplracer]

Agent00f I do not want anyone to not get what they have earned. I do not want people treated unfairly either. Minorities do get special treatment. In your mind that appears to be ok you believe we live in a society where they have been mistreated in the past. I get that. I have never been a part of treating people differently because of their race, religion, or political views. So when I see someone who makes about the same income as me get special treatment because of their race, I do not like it. Just like blacks did not like it during the racial turmoil of the 1960's and before. If there is a minority who has not been afforded oportunities in life and they want to better themselves then yes let's help them. But the guy who lives down the street from me and makes the same amount of money as me should not be treated differently than me because he is a minority.

 

[agent00f]

Agent00f I do not want anyone to not get what they have earned. I do not want people treated unfairly either. Minorities do get special treatment. In your mind that appears to be ok you believe we live in a society where they have been mistreated in the past. I get that. I have never been a part of treating people differently because of their race, religion, or political views. So when I see someone who makes about the same income as me get special treatment because of their race, I do not like it. Just like blacks did not like it during the racial turmoil of the 1960's and before. If there is a minority who has not been afforded oportunities in life and they want to better themselves then yes let's help them. But the guy who lives down the street from me and makes the same amount of money as me should not be treated differently than me because he is a minority.

It is really so hard to understand that you're paying the debt because someone else isn't, and why you're not the least bit angry at those who've dumped that burden onto you, and continue to focus on the aggrieved underclass. I think it's the perfect demonstration of the implicit social privilege. For example, if the perps who injured your grandma were always known, but somehow make a convincing argument to a certain group that it's granny's fault for burdening society with her injuries.

As for your neighbor, I'm sure you're jealous and chomping at the bit to be treated as he is by you.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Sorry I have been at work the last 10 hours trying to make money to pay for my honor student's college.
They want their group to get special privileges - needs citation
Instead of a citation how about an example. Why do we have Miss Black America? We do not have Miss White or Miss Hispanic America. It was originally a local Philadelphia area contest to protest the lack of black women in the Miss America pageant. J. Morris Anderson created and produced the Miss Black America Pageant on August 17, 1968, at the Ritz-Carlton in Atlantic City.

I get that and the need at the time for a Miss Black America. Of course that was almost 1/2 a century ago. Blacks make up around 12% of the population in the United States. in the last 33 years we have had 8 Miss America's who were black. That comes out to around 24% of the Miss America's in the last 33 years who are black when black people make up 12% of the population. It would appear they have been represented fairly in the last 33 years. So why is there still a Miss Black America? Seems black people want a special privilege to have a black pageant. What would happen if there was a White Miss America? There would be cries of racism. Do not get me wrong there should not be a Miss White America but there also should not be a Miss Black America either.

yea, that's what I thought, you have less than nothing.
You cite a beauty pageant as proof,

yowza.. ok.

 

[gplracer]

You are part of the problem. You attack people online with your anger and hate. I am sorry I exchanged so many messages with you. Good luck to you.

 

[gplracer]

It is really so hard to understand that you're paying the debt because someone else isn't, and why you're not the least bit angry at those who've dumped that burden onto you, and continue to focus on the aggrieved underclass. I think it's the perfect demonstration of the implicit social privilege. For example, if the perps who injured your grandma were always known, but somehow make a convincing argument to a certain group that it's granny's fault for burdening society with her injuries.

As for your neighbor, I'm sure you're jealous and chomping at the bit to be treated as he is by you.

Our neighbor is my son's friend. His parents are good people. We want the best for him as well.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You are part of the problem. You attack people online with your anger and hate. I am sorry I exchanged so many messages with you. Good luck to you.

lol, ok, good day to you sir.

 

[agent00f]

Our neighbor is my son's friend. His parents are good people. We want the best for him as well.

Sure, but the problem here is clear. You want the benefit he gets but hardly be in his shoes, for good reason. Until that time comes, there's a debt to be paid, and since you're compelled to protect the good ol' boys it falls to you.

 

[gplracer]

If he makes about the around same income as me and lives in the same neighborhood in the same size house our shoes might be more similar than you think. If our shoes are real similar then we should be treated the same. If you think he should get extra things just because of the color of his skin then that is your opinion. There are good causes out there to protect minorities but there are also lots of minorities that take advantage of the system. The same is true for the majority who take advantage of the system as well. The people who are taking advantage of the system are the real problem. You think I am part of the good ol' boys. Why because I want the best for my kids? Because I struggle to make end meet and I see others who get benefits that I do not get when they have the exact same financial means as me. I am not saying my son should get the same benefits as some minority that is poor, uneducated, and without means to do better. I am saying that if a minority has the same means as me they should not be given special treatment that is not given to my kids.

 

[agent00f]

If he makes about the around same income as me and lives in the same neighborhood in the same size house our shoes might be more similar than you think. If our shoes are real similar then we should be treated the same. If you think he should get extra things just because of the color of his skin then that is your opinion. There are good causes out there to protect minorities but there are also lots of minorities that take advantage of the system. The same is true for the majority who take advantage of the system as well. The people who are taking advantage of the system are the real problem. You think I am part of the good ol' boys. Why because I want the best for my kids? Because I struggle to make end meet and I see others who get benefits that I do not get when they have the exact same financial means as me. I am not saying my son should get the same benefits as some minority that is poor, uneducated, and without means to do better. I am saying that if a minority has the same means as me they should not be given special treatment that is not given to my kids.

It's questionable whether you're of the good ol' boys, but there's little doubt of motivation to protect their interests. That's what upper social status buys people, and why it's important for such groups to protect theirs. Much easier to answer concerns like: "Why because I want the best for my kids?" by focusing a few welfare/reparations folks getting something, and away from why you're paying instead of those who reaped the most from past subjugation.

As to whether the better off underclass deserves as much assistance as the have-nots, that's a relatively new development as a result of affirmative actions to correct a long history of subjugation. Generally the system is somewhat balanced to provide greater benefit to the latter. However the solution is never framed as how to adjust that balance, but eliminating western liberal justice entirely for selfish reasons.

 

[mikeymikec]

If he makes about the around same income as me and lives in the same neighborhood in the same size house our shoes might be more similar than you think.

Yes, these two factors almost invariably result in people who have had similar experiences in life! Surveying neighbourhoods must be so much easier than I thought, all you need to do is survey one occupant for each house type and skip the rest, apparently.

But you're right of course, your son's rejection must be because the blacks are pushing everyone else down. I never thought of blaming my failure to pass the 11-plus on that.

smh

 

[Ancalagon44]

The problem with all of these affirmative action programs is that none of them have a condition which says that we must examine the current advantage or disadvantage being experienced by a particular group. It is just assumed that the disadvantage or advantage being experienced will be the same forever.

For instance, it could be that there is a white family that, for historical reasons, is very poor. Now, its common knowledge that being poor makes it harder to lift yourself out of poverty, because you have limited access to education and other resources that wealthier people have. So, being white means this poor family would have no access to any benefits that would come from being black and poor.

Yes, black families are more likely to be in poverty, but that isn't the point. The net of affirmative action is so broad and so based on generalizations that it allows people who need help to slip through the cracks. There are wealthy black people who do not need help, and there are poor white people that do. Affirmative action says to both of those groups, "Too bad."

A very good example of where affirmative action has worked too well is actually tertiary education. For the past few decades, there has been a lot of work put into increasing the numbers of women on college campuses. Those efforts have worked so well that women now outnumber men 2 to 1 on most college campuses. Yet, men don't currently enjoy any advantages when it comes to college acceptance - despite now being the underclass as far as education goes.

My point is not "we need to help men get into college." My point is, we need something more fine grained than affirmative action to rectify societal imbalances.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Between the two of us, only one suffers from myopic self-interest, and it's not the one with some social perspective beyond me & mine.

Well acceptance is the first step isn't it? Glad you finally recognize yourself as others do.

 

[agent00f]

The problem with all of these affirmative action programs is that none of them have a condition which says that we must examine the current advantage or disadvantage being experienced by a particular group. It is just assumed that the disadvantage or advantage being experienced will be the same forever.

For instance, it could be that there is a white family that, for historical reasons, is very poor. Now, its common knowledge that being poor makes it harder to lift yourself out of poverty, because you have limited access to education and other resources that wealthier people have. So, being white means this poor family would have no access to any benefits that would come from being black and poor.

Yes, black families are more likely to be in poverty, but that isn't the point. The net of affirmative action is so broad and so based on generalizations that it allows people who need help to slip through the cracks. There are wealthy black people who do not need help, and there are poor white people that do. Affirmative action says to both of those groups, "Too bad."

There's little doubt that you would ever choose to be black or some other lower status minority so seems you don't even believe in your own argument.

A very good example of where affirmative action has worked too well is actually tertiary education. For the past few decades, there has been a lot of work put into increasing the numbers of women on college campuses. Those efforts have worked so well that women now outnumber men 2 to 1 on most college campuses. Yet, men don't currently enjoy any advantages when it comes to college acceptance - despite now being the underclass as far as education goes.

My point is not "we need to help men get into college." My point is, we need something more fine grained than affirmative action to rectify societal imbalances.

The gender imbalance strongly stems from being raised by single mothers and not aa. For some reason, when there's no father figure male children do not continue/succeed in school. It also really help to know what "affirmative" means. There's an argument to be for instances where the action has succeeded that it no longer needs to be affirmative.

Well acceptance is the first step isn't it? Glad you finally recognize yourself as others do.

Nobody would ever accuse you of being smart enough to grasp what's being said.

 

[FerrelGeek]

There's slavery in the oil rich Mid East, mate, and I don't see the powers that be in the world trying to stop it.

Unfortunately this I didn't know about. However the way the British media operates i'm not surprised I don't know about it.

I'm sure if a rich oil well was discovered in Africa we'd soon find a need to stop this slavery...

 

[FerrelGeek]

Obama graduated harvard magna cum laude. No great surprise conservatives have no idea what that means.

Well, as my daughter graduated magna cum laude (top of her class and won both the student voted and faculty voted leadership awards) from nursing school, I do indeed know what that means. And my post was poking fun at Sheik. Clearly your reading comprehension is too deficient to have noticed that.