Miners are a cancer to the PC gaming and the GPU market

[PigSkinWhiteBoy]

This is why cards need to be limited to one per person. I doubt most of them even have friends, so most will not be able to horde as many this way.



Your thread is a troll thread. Do not put up anything like this again.


esquared
Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Sonikku]

What sucks is that while the 480 might be selling like crazy now, should mining go belly up you could see a boat load of 480s on the market which could wreck havoc with Amd.

 

[KingFatty]

Same with shoes, some people buy so many shoes, they are terrible people! And cars, you should have no more than one car per household, think of all the harm to parking! And don't get me started on pets, I can't believe people think you can own more than one pet at a time!

[note that this is sarcasm, to point out how silly OP's position is]

 

[linkgoron]

I kind of agree that miners that buy 5+ Rx 480 (I've seen 20+ here?) are really ruining it for others who just want to game, given the existing constrained supply.

Same with shoes, some people buy so many shoes, they are terrible people! And cars, you should have no more than one car per household, think of all the harm to parking! And don't get me started on pets, I can't believe people think you can own more than one pet at a time!

[note that this is sarcasm, to point out how silly OP's position is]

That's an obvious strawman, although I agree that the OP could've had a better structured OP.

 

[Erithan13]

Serious discussion about the effects of cryptomining in regards to card pricing and availability [ ]

Troll thread and not a very good one at that [X]

 

[railven]

Thread is doomed. You don't insult mining on ATF.

Agree with the bitterness but this thread won't go well.

 

[Yakk]

A limit of 1 or 2 cards per address wouldn't be bad per say, but in reality bigger miners would use business accounts which would more than likely wouldn't have this limitation anyway.

IMHO AMD are happy selling to miners else they could just remove the same couple commands nvidia does not have in hardware to decrease their performance.

And the day GPU mining would end it would also make AMD very happy as the flood of cheap cards will continue to increase their market share. The short term lost of profits would be more than offset by the long-term market growth.

 

[Pete_69]

I bought rx480 because it can mine, trying to recoup some of the money doesnt hurt.

 

[tviceman]

Supply and demand, how does it work?

 

[Dice144]

A free market should and would not limit the amount a person/address could buy. Supply and demand is working like it should.

I do want a RX480 or similar card but them being out of stock is helping me wait for Vega. My 290x is giving off horrible coil whine and I want it replaced soon.

 

[RussianSensation]

A graphics card is a versatile tool. This tool can be used for games, accelerating work (rendering, Photoshop), hobbies (distributed computing), and making money (mining), etc. Picking on one particular group that buys videocards for their purpose and ignoring another (i.e., how someone else might buy 100 videocards for a university computing project) is ignorance at its finest.

Miners are not to blame here at all. The blame is on AMD/GloFo. AMD released a tool that can perform tasks A, B, C, D, and the demand for task/workload D has exacerbated shortages. AMD failed to build up inventory in anticipation of rising market demand, despite having full awareness there was going to be very large demand from customers with workload D. Whose fault is it when a company fails to meet supply? Not the customer's fault.

I can just as easily claim that gamers are cancer to PC gaming because I cannot buy a GTX1080 farm for Blender. Sorry, no. GTX1080 is out of stock because there is large demand for workload A, but once again it's NV's/TSMC's fault.

The OP's argument fails to separate the fraction of PC gamers buying cards for gaming vs. mining, and yet puts the entire blame on miners. There are plenty of people online mining alternative coins on NV and AMD cards, and also many more buying these products for other workloads such as games or distributed computing. Without having the data which shows the % of miners vs. customers who buy GPUs for other uses, we cannot discount that RX 480/1080/1060 videocards would have sold out to gamers alone even if miners weren't interested in the cards.

Moral of the story: it doesn't matter why the videocard is in demand and what workload the consumer runs on it. It's the manufacturer's job to meet demand, not the consumer's job to buy just 1.

Considering AMD publicly stated that 84% of the PC gaming market buys GPUs between $100-300, and they aimed RX 480 squarely at that bracket, they wouldn't have been able to meet demand for months anyway because there are about 10 million dGPUs sold a quarter. Miners are a tiny fraction of 10 million quarterly GPU buyers. The total Ethereum network rate is about 4 million MH. If the average AMD GPU mines at 20-25MH/sec, that's only 160,000-200,000 cards; and the network rate was almost 4 million before RX 480 even launched!!

It's impossible to blame miners on the shortages of RX 480 if AMD was serious to claim they were targeting 80%+ of 10+ million customers a quarter.

 

[TeknoBug]

It's not only miners buying them in masses, it's those Amazon resellers putting them up for higher price than listed, hence the cards getting sold out people turning to more expensive listings. That's what happened with those Fallout 4 nuka cola bottles.

 

[nerp]

Maybe blame AMD for not making enough/fast enough? Who cares what people do with their cards. Maybe I want to buy 4 and use them as wheel chocks.

You might not be so annoyed if you hard the card you wanted, would you?

 

[Rifter]

I agree 100%. I've been trying to get a 480 since the aib cards launched 2 weeks ago. And have yet to succeed. But yet there are miners out there that have 20-30 480's already.......

 

[Keysplayr]

Same with shoes, some people buy so many shoes, they are terrible people! And cars, you should have no more than one car per household, think of all the harm to parking! And don't get me started on pets, I can't believe people think you can own more than one pet at a time!

[note that this is sarcasm, to point out how silly OP's position is]

Perhaps the OP finds your insensitivity to his complaint, just as silly.