So is this crap going to continue for long? I just got a call today that my rx 470 red devil won't be returning from the warranty service, so they gave me an option to choose a new card at a similar price point - and there are no 470/570/480/580's available, at least not at a similar price point.
What did they give you an option to get then?
I did not go into details on the phone, but i there are a few nvidia models, or just take the money i guess. I'm not interested in nvidia cards (because of the proprietary drivers on linux), especially the 3gb 1060's, so i'm thinking that maybe i should wait this out, but i'm not all that keen on waiting too long.
Isn't red devil Powercolor? I didn't realize they did Nvidia cards. Did they give you an ETA for new AMD GPUs?
I don't think anyone seriously uses Steam's hardware survey to determine market share. Except on enthusiast forums to brag/start flame wars.It does expose a problem in their supply chain in that they under forecast sales in a big way, and service levels have dropped because of it. This also reveals how slow they are to react to demand changes.
The other thing is that it looks good on the balance sheet, but it won't affect things like Steam's hardware survey. In other words, let's say that Steam's hardware survey says that AMD has 20% of the market. But that would ignore miners, who buy a lot of GPUs for such a small group. I'm not sure what AMD's true market share is (of all GPUs sold), but it is higher than 20%.
Which is what happened last time that created a huge bottleneck with Hawaii cards already in the supply chain.For one thing, miners don't really count in steam (or whatever) stats. So, yeah, AMD is selling cards, but, it isn't reflected anyplace but mining.
Main issue is, if AMD would have seen the miner bubble expanding, they could have built more GPUs, and it wouldn't be a issue.
Now however, it takes 1-2 months to ramp up, and in those months sales are going to the competition.
If the mining craze bubble bursts, AMD is sitting on lots of inventory.
Powercolor RMA is absolutely terrible. I sent in a dual core 390 Devil 13 in January because the whole plastic blade assembly on one fan came off the magnet. I was planning on just replacing the fan, but decided to spend the $30 shipping it back to them since I figured it would hurt resale value to have a Sapphire fan on there instead. They refused to do the repair unless I sent in all the plastic bits, so I had to stick those in an envelope and mail them in too.
It wasn't until May that I got an email saying my RMA is approved, they don't have any 390 Dual Cores and they would be sending me two 480s. After 5 months I finally got a couple crappy obviously post-RMA 480s in antistatic bags with no boxes that can't run at full speed without crashing. Powercolor won't do anything unless I pay return shipping to the US again.
Seriously, the only thing wrong with that card was one fan. They could have shipped it to me and I would have replaced it myself.
Yup, which is exactly what I explained to people that not all sales are equal. Miners are in it purely for arbitrage. It's vastly different than gamers who are in it for an enjoyment of some sorts.Which is what happened last time that created a huge bottleneck with Hawaii cards already in the supply chain.
Miners' dollars pay the bills just as well as gamers' dollars.Yup, which is exactly what I explained to people that not all sales are equal. Miners are in it purely for arbitrage. It's vastly different than gamers who are in it for an enjoyment of some sorts.
It's unfortunate that amd has these great chips. And then miners eat them for breakfast. Then gamers who amd should EASILY have as consumers are out with a competing company's product, or no sale at all.
It's even unfortunate in Vega sense, because I know for me, I'll buy a second Vega chip if possible simply for the mining gains. But at the same time, I may not get an amd chip again, for a second time straight, due to being crowded out by miners and low supply.
It's a shame since amd doesn't want to potentially lose a sale, but it's definitely better for amd to convert long time product users than it is to gain short term arbitrage users.
Short term yes.Miners' dollars pay the bills just as well as gamers' dollars.
Short term yes.
This is why financial forecasting looks at quality of revenues and not just revenue.
In the real world, quality of revenues come into play.
You are 100% correct that they pay the bills both the same.
But that is just one side of the picture. In finance we look at the probability of these earnings being recurring, and for how long.
Again, this is why this is left to those in this field. Because consumers think in today's terms, and in finance we think in perpetuity.
It's unfortunate that amd has these great chips. And then miners eat them for breakfast. Then gamers who amd should EASILY have as consumers are out with a competing company's product, or no sale at all.
Sigh.... the 580 is a great gpu for those on a budget..
Guess not many people will have these gpu's now because mining rigs will have like 4-5 of them hoarded.
Wow, I had to leave that guy a message, what a disgrace.or 150 of them.. I just read this in another thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/comments/6j9hwf/bought_too_many_gpus_delimma/
GPU mining had pretty much been dead until this happened.
For mining we have TFLOPS numbers so we know where Vega is,more or less.