You could push a 3200 lb car down the street but could you carry it?
Leg press is a wannabe's way to measure strength
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You could push a 3200 lb car down the street but could you carry it?
Leg press is a wannabe's way to measure strength
The point I think he was making was that the leg press is a terrible indicator of overall strength. You aren't supporting any weight and you aren't using multiple muscle groups or any kind of stabilizer muscles, such as with squat, deads or bench, and therefore, shouldn't be used as any indicator.
You are saying it's irrelevant though. They still got that 3200 lb car down the street while you are stoking it trying to figure it out.
I get why Leg Press is a problem, you should know it's still a lift.
The discussion goes "I can squat 300 lbs ass to grass" and they respond "I can do 600 lbs!"
Point taken. Squats are a better measure without a doubt. I unfortunately can't get a measure on squats because my lower back prevents me from lifting more than I really can, so I resort to less weight and longer 10+ rep sets. So my measure can really only come from leg press - which isn't an easy workout imo anyway. That one always makes me a little bit dizzy. If I try to get some kind of measure using squats, I risk blowing it out and having to leave the gym for 1-2 months. :|
I also have the same issue with deadlifts, but not nearly to the same extent as with squats.
if you are going deep on the leg press you can injure your back fairly easy as well. I don't know if what you say has merit or not, but me being the smart@ss that I am, I read that above post and my first thought is "tell me more about your excuses"
the press is NOT a lift. it's an exercise, a movement, a press, but you are not lifting anything.
not only that, every sled is different, and each one usually has an adjustable back to change angels. a squat is a squat.. the weight goes down and hopefully back up. it is an indicator of strength. The leg press can build muscle and can build strength, but as in indicator it falls short. I am not saying it is irrelevant as a movement.
It just kills me when people say I legged press 800 lbs today... great, you still would get crushed by 225 on a squat.
I get it. I really do.
You are all swole and love to talk crap.
it's the internet, aren't we all and don't we all ?
I would suggest you came out and posted your leg press achievements over those that said otherwise.
You clearly don't get the battle.
What if you needed a leg press movement, do you really think your squat would do it?
Don't crap on those trying to get fit...some have bad knees or backs. They put up what they can do.
My gym teacher claimed it was the amount a healthy person should be able to bench press, NOT necessarily an athlete or fitness freak. Just regular everyday people.
You gym teacher is an idiot.
Every 150 lb male should be able to bench press 225
Every 200 lb male should be able to bench press 300
That is not going to happen, lol
I am doing a survey right now on this question and I am going to give my report. So far six dudes, all well built, young, they look like they workout, only 1 can. They are all over 180 lbs. I am going to post a couple of vids of myself, so there is no doubt, yes I can bench beyond 1.5 times my bodyweight. I can do 1.5 times my bodyweight for reps.
You gym teacher is an idiot.
Every 150 lb male should be able to bench press 225
Every 200 lb male should be able to bench press 300
That is not going to happen, lol
I am doing a survey right now on this question and I am going to give my report. So far six dudes, all well built, young, they look like they workout, only 1 can. They are all over 180 lbs. I am going to post a couple of vids of myself, so there is no doubt, yes I can bench beyond 1.5 times my bodyweight. I can do 1.5 times my bodyweight for reps.
Leg press is a wannabe's way to measure strength
problem is, majority think leg press is some achievement. this thread is a discussion about strength and how much a healthy male should be able to "lift"... not how much they can push a guided sled
If I ever were to legitimately "crap" on anyone 'trying' to get fit it would be those doing crossfit
There is no mention of the impact on aging . . . . possibly because you guys are all young and fit. I am 58 years old, my son is 21. He is about a half inch taller than than me and about 10% heavier. He started working out with me almost a year after I began. In six months, he was way ahead of me in all the lifts (except one). In another 10 to 15 years, this difference will likely be more pronounced.
So, the variables that need to controlled for should include weight, height *and* age, IMHO.
leg press is also one of the worst machines to use. I see these dudes pressing huge stacks of weights, and worry that their knees are about to get destroyed.
They need to remove these from gyms - people should stick with lunges.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjPIfRufXpk
My smart@ss answer : there was once a time when I too was a smart@ss. Then finally one time, instead of just pulling something in my lower back and leaving it sore for a few days, I actually injured it with long-term consequence. Now I am no longer a smart@ss.
It also may be something that runs in the family. My older brother occasionally has his act up. And my little brother pretty much ruined his on the leg press (as you mentioned it can be injured there as well). I've actually been the best of us three in that regard. There are no excuses here - I wish I could squat without the issue of my lower back... I really do. But at least I can still squat. I just can't go as far as I'd like.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2326981 <- my back problem thread from last year, so I'm not making it up. I also went to the gym A LOT as a college undergrad, so it's not like that was my first time going and I just didn't know what I was doing.
Edit : I do plan to try "front squats" this year and see how those go.
The question from the OP had two important words: MINIMUM and EVERY. We seem to have wandered far away. SC was absolutely correct in his prediction; threads like these quickly degenerate into pissing contests.
Since everyone varies yet could still be considered "healthy" by a doctor. I think the question is impossible to answer.
Define healthy? Even unhealthy people can still pick up a lot of weight.
the press is NOT a lift. it's an exercise, a movement, a press, but you are not lifting anything.
not only that, every sled is different, and each one usually has an adjustable back to change angels. a squat is a squat.. the weight goes down and hopefully back up. it is an indicator of strength. The leg press can build muscle and can build strength, but as in indicator it falls short. I am not saying it is irrelevant as a movement.
It just kills me when people say I legged press 800 lbs today... great, you still would get crushed by 225 on a squat.
True enough, just like for those of us that prefer using dumbbells and mention to others that ur pressing with 100lbs per arm, then you get to hear how surprised they are that you aren't stronger. Doing 200lbs on a straight bar is far different than pressing 200lbs worth of dumbbells (just getting heavy dumbbells into position is a chore!).