Minnesota SC rejects the Franken bid to get seated.

[Lemon law]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...re_us/minnesota_senate

The Al Franken Norm Coleman Senate race continues to hang fire.

All this ruling does is slaps down Franken bid, flush with a 225 vote lead, to get seated in the US Senate now, but still pending the outcome of the Coleman lawsuit
which is still undecided.

My question is, does anyone know more, here the US Senate has been in session for basically two months now, and this race is still undecided.

Should not someone in Minnesota be lighting very hot fires under the dead butts of these judges? Its a very important national question, and these judges should not be snoozing, and snoozing, and snooooooooooozing.

Maybe if they wait six years, its will just become a moot question.

 

[Genx87]

It is a court case, it will take some time, when they decide I wouldnt be surprised if it is somehow appealed up to the surpreme court.

The issue afaik is there were some absentee ballots that were rejected and they are going through each one. I think there was also a complaint about a lack of consistency from the canvas board. Also there is something fishy going on up north as more people voted than there are eligible voters.

And besides the fact we only have one senator what is the national hurry? The democrats have a complete stranglehold on our federal govt. What is this blowhard going to do besides pile on?

 

[bobcpg]

Yeah, we should just cut our losses and have a re-election for senator. Ballots keep on being found in the back of people's car, under a floor mat, caught on an ice fishing line.... Its so corrupt now they will never get it straight.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: bobcpg
Yeah, we should just cut our losses and have a re-election for senator. Ballots keep on being found in the back of people's car, under a floor mat, caught on an ice fishing line.... Its so corrupt now they will never get it straight.

I think that would be best as well. The recount is so tainted at this point no one can say who really was elected.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dphantom

Originally posted by: bobcpg
Yeah, we should just cut our losses and have a re-election for senator. Ballots keep on being found in the back of people's car, under a floor mat, caught on an ice fishing line.... Its so corrupt now they will never get it straight.

I think that would be best as well. The recount is so tainted at this point no one can say who really was elected.

I agree, and with court costs it might even be cheaper.

 

[Fern]

I think it better they take their time and get it right.

What is worse, having no representation, or installing someone in office who is later found not to have won? If they ended doing the latter, I suspect all kinds of troubles would result.

But they're judges, I don't think they have any other course of action than to follow through properly on state law. I don't see how they can ignore it, or brush it aside because of some urgency (whether real or imagined).

IMO, the judges should be 'lighting a fire' under the butts of the officials or lower courts to get this expidited.

Fern

 

[Lemon law]

Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

 

[Hacp]

The election is too close to call. Its within statistical error. We should just decide it by flipping a coin.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Fern
I think it better they take their time and get it right.

What is worse, having no representation, or installing someone in office who is later found not to have won? If they ended doing the latter, I suspect all kinds of troubles would result.

But they're judges, I don't think they have any other course of action than to follow through properly on state law. I don't see how they can ignore it, or brush it aside because of some urgency (whether real or imagined).

IMO, the judges should be 'lighting a fire' under the butts of the officials or lower courts to get this expidited.

Fern

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I can only agree with the first sentence of the Fern post.

The fullest possible recount has already been done, now the only thing that keeps this decision hanging fire is petty arguments about what still rejected ballot to count or not count.

An argument that only the Minnesota court judges can decide under existing State law, maybe Fern may be accurate in blaming various lower Minnesota courts for stalling, but the local Minnesota State elections officials did their job months and months ago and are now blameless.

And if the roadblock is lower Minnesota courts, it behooves the Minnesota supreme court to intervene and get it resolved. A power they have under law, and to not exercise it now is inexcusable.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The fullest possible recount has already been done, now the only thing that keeps this decision hanging fire is petty arguments about what still rejected ballot to count or not count.

Ok, I have no horse in this race. I am not a Minn resident. One seat either way in the senate doesn't really matter. I'm pretty damn close to dead center on that test thingy that pops up every now and then. I'm a registered Democrat.

What you said is pretty bogus. Did you even take a look at the site that posted the disputed ballots? Coleman may be an asshat (I know nothing about him) but he has a point. I could only detect 1 pattern in the way the disputed votes were awarded: if in doubt, give it to Franken and not to Coleman. There was not 1 standard applied to all of the disputed ballots. It seemed to have been made up to fit the whim or political preference of whomever was doing the judging.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Hacp
The election is too close to call. Its within statistical error. We should just decide it by flipping a coin.

Fortunately we don't use statistics to decide elections, we use votes. We count them, and the guy who got the most wins.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: bobcpg

Yeah, we should just cut our losses and have a re-election for senator.

I don't believe there's any legal precedent that would allow that course of action. The Minnesota Supreme Court is obligated to follow the law as they interpret it.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

If you're referring to me as one of those 3 "GOP posters", I never said toss the election. Just follow the rules and count the votes or properly finish whatever is holding things up.

TBH, I don't follow MN politics and don't know what the hold up is either. So I can't comment on that.

Fern

 

[CaptnKirk]

Same GOP Lawyers are involved.

Ben Ginsberg

You know him well:

Eight years as counsel to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee,
and the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Ginsberg served as national counsel to the Bush-Cheney presidential campaign.

In 2000, he played a central role in the Florida recount.

He also represents the campaigns and leadership PACs of numerous members of the Senate and House, as well as the
Republican National Committee, National Republican Senatorial Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee.

In 2004, Ginsberg gave legal advice to the controversial 527 Group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
Though his simultaneous activities with the "Swifties" and the 2004 Bush Campaign could be considered questionable,
his activities were not illegal.
Nonetheless, Ginsberg resigned as legal counsel from the Bush Campaign after his position was made public.



Don't let them pesky little things like 'Ethics' get in your way.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

Well I'm sure the people of MN would appreciate having full represntation in the Senate.

And its absolutely a valid point. The GOP was demanding Gore drop his challenges in 2000, while here you're suggesting there's now an "interest of fairness" that demands every vote be counted. That most certainly is a double standard.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

Well I'm sure the people of MN would appreciate having full represntation in the Senate.

And its absolutely a valid point. The GOP was demanding Gore drop his challenges in 2000, while here you're suggesting there's now an "interest of fairness" that demands every vote be counted. That most certainly is a double standard.

:thumbsup: QFT

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: winnar111

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

It's one of only two Senators for residents of Minnesota, leaving them at a disadvantage over every other state.

More tiny minded thinking from loozar111. :roll:

 

[OCGuy]

Franken is the biggest tool known to man.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Franken is the biggest tool known to man.

Awww... Come on. You can do better than that.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

Well I'm sure the people of MN would appreciate having full represntation in the Senate.

And its absolutely a valid point. The GOP was demanding Gore drop his challenges in 2000, while here you're suggesting there's now an "interest of fairness" that demands every vote be counted. That most certainly is a double standard.

I hate entering political threads, but do you mean to say you oppose every vote being counted?

I have not followed this race, but 225 votes is a tiny lead for an election of this scale, and I would hope the democrats want every vote counted even if it might cost them a seat.

Just because republicans have been corrupt before, and are still slimy dirtballs, does not mean that when they want every vote counted we should just do the opposite.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: winnar111

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Gee, three basically GOP posters saying toss the election results, basically admitting its the only chance for Coleman or the GOP.

Its the same Florida 2000 election argument again, but the fullness of time shows Gore would have won with a full and fair recount.

Yeah, because not having 1 out of 100 senators is the same as not having 1 out of 1 President.

Well I'm sure the people of MN would appreciate having full represntation in the Senate.

And its absolutely a valid point. The GOP was demanding Gore drop his challenges in 2000, while here you're suggesting there's now an "interest of fairness" that demands every vote be counted. That most certainly is a double standard.

I hate entering political threads, but do you mean to say you oppose every vote being counted?

I have not followed this race, but 225 votes is a tiny lead for an election of this scale, and I would hope the democrats want every vote counted even if it might cost them a seat.

Just because republicans have been corrupt before, and are still slimy dirtballs, does not mean that when they want every vote counted we should just do the opposite.

No, not at all. I'm simply pointing out the double standard of people like "Winnar"111 who are now demanding counting all the votes yet were insisting that Al Gore's request for the same thing was somehow anti-American.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Franken is the biggest tool known to man.

That is not possible. His opponent is a Republican.

 

[sportage]

Franken is a tremendous intelligent, wise politician.
Obviously you have NEVER listened to his radio program.
He was always far ahead of the crowd on issues.

Coleman is the spoiler here. He has already stated if the court rules against them, he will continue until he finds a court that won?t. In other words, all the way to the supreme court.

Coleman takes spoiler to a new level. How could ANY Minnesotan vote for such a total loser? This contest has been very revealing in exposing his child-like selfish personality.
Take note MN... If this creep was in, he?d steal Minnesotans blind.

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of those websites that featured votes, that Coleman did not wanted counted, guess who sponsored those websites. And one could find pro Franken websites that disputed some Coleman votes are dubious.
Take both type websites together, and one might come away with the conclusion that the Minnesota election was incompetently run and hopelessly corrupt, but most fair minded people regard the process as remarkable fair and transparent. Add in the fact that Minnesota had a paper ballot backup to compare to the electronic count, made election fraud damn near impossible in Minnesota. And dispite all the hype on both sides that any process that favored their opponent was fraud, crying fraud means nothing but standard operating procedure in any disputed election.

And now Norm Coleman from what I understand pins all his hopes on 1725 some ballots that were already rejected and never counted, for various reasons. Which basically means that if (a) The courts say they should be counted and Franken has more than 750 votes out of 1725 ballots, Coleman is toast. And if the courts say they should not counted, Coleman is toast. (b) And if Coleman or Franken end up being toast, its well past a point where no further court appeals should be allowed by either side, or this Coleman Franken dispute will just keep going on forever.