Minnesota Supreme Court paves way for Democrat Al Franken to take Senate seat

[jpeyton]

60 seats baby!

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
60 seats baby!

Enough votes to pass whatever bailout.. whatever health plan.. whatever the dems what... lets see how this turns out.. can't blame the republicans anymore...

 

[Pneumothorax]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: duragezic
Meh, Democrat or Republican, I do not like it one bit to have one party in such huge control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. Don't see how that is a good thing.

If it was the repuggies, I'd forecast a dark future. But it's democrits. Getting them together in lockstep is like herding cats.

Then you got cats acting like mutts and bitches as the Dems are pretty much lock-stepping now. Besides, Bush never had a supermajority so basically Obama can have his pets Pelosi/Reid pass any damn bill he wants with only the Judicial branch (sort of) standing in his way.

BTW don't the Dems have supermajority status in about 2/3rds of all the states and their legislatures? With the way the Republicans are disillusioned, Obama can also roughshod and fire out new Constitutional amendments at will. Let's see... #1 Abolish Presidential Term Limits, #2 All Illegals are now US citizens, #3 No Fossil fuels #4 100% tax rate on any income over $250K #5 Free UHC for everyone... Yes, I can almost taste the Democrat Utopia, "The Great Society"

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: duragezic
Meh, Democrat or Republican, I do not like it one bit to have one party in such huge control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. Don't see how that is a good thing.

If it was the repuggies, I'd forecast a dark future. But it's democrits. Getting them together in lockstep is like herding cats.

Then you got cats acting like mutts and bitches as the Dems are pretty much lock-stepping now. Besides, Bush never had a supermajority so basically Obama can have his pets Pelosi/Reid pass any damn bill he wants with only the Judicial branch (sort of) standing in his way.

BTW don't the Dems have supermajority status in about 2/3rds of all the states and their legislatures? With the way the Republicans are disillusioned, Obama can also roughshod and fire out new Constitutional amendments at will. Let's see... #1 Abolish Presidential Term Limits, #2 All Illegals are now US citizens, #3 No Fossil fuels #4 100% tax rate on any income over $250K #5 Free UHC for everyone... Yes, I can almost taste the Democrat Utopia, "The Great Society"

ummm No.

Dems have 28 governorships and 27 state legislatures.

You need 34? to pass an amendment.

 

[Pneumothorax]

That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It'll be interesting to see how the Dems ram their super-majority down the GOP's throat in the Senate.

The dems are not all in unity. There's a lot they will have some defectors on.

 

[senseamp]

If you are a Democrat, now is the time to write to your congressman/senator and tell them to get sh!t done, pedal to the metal. Otherwise what's the point of voting them in? If I wanted to vote for a party that will sell out all its ideals once it gets into power, I'd be voting for Republicans.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I'm happy that Al Franken ended up winning, but it was hardly a victory. If the election said anything, it was that Minnesotans weren't particularly happy with either candidate, with 15% of the voters getting behind the independent candidate Dean Barkley instead of supporting the two-party system (I was one of them).

And so you tend to exaggerate the importance of your 'third party army'.

It's hardly unprecedented. Ask the constituents of Lieberman - or Bill Clinton in 1992.

Or you could always ask George Bush, who lost the popular vote in 2000, how 'real' that victory was - also given his getting the vote in Florida by mistakes and theft.

Mistakes in handling the ballots - Yes
Theft - only as seen by the sour grapes loser of the battle.

The courts spoke on what had to be done in both FL and MN

You are ignorant about the facts. There was a very corrupt theft of votes done by hijacking the issue of 'felon voters', and Jeb Bush ordered a firm to create a 'purge list' and ordered them to use extremely overly broad criterion for who went on it - in a way that half the names were African Americans, who vote 90% Democrat, causing a hugely disproportionate loss of votes to the Democrats. Tens of thousands of votes lost, far more Democrat than Republican, equals many times more than needed for Gore to win.

For another example, felons also vote Democrat about 90%, and Bush illegally denied thousands of them the right to vote who legally had it. While Florida doesn't let ex-felons vote, some states do, but Bush ordered thousands of Floriva voters who had been felons in other states, who had their right to vote restored and moved to Florida, barred - even after multiple court orders to cease the practice. Few of these ex-felons had the resources to spend thousands on the lawers to challenge the ban. That cost Gore thousands of votes.

Both of those are *theft* - government actions taken specifically aimed at preventing thousands of *Democratic* votes, illegally. Go read a book and get informed, then post.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: senseamp
If you are a Democrat, now is the time to write to your congressman/senator and tell them to get sh!t done, pedal to the metal. Otherwise what's the point of voting them in? If I wanted to vote for a party that will sell out all its ideals once it gets into power, I'd be voting for Republicans.

I agree. Unfortunately, as a *partial* explanation for not as much getting done, though, the financial crisis and bailouts Republcians left them cut their agenda off at the knees.

Anything that 'costs money' was at risk, having to satisfyi limited criteria as either 'stimulus' or 'cost savings' such as universal health care.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: duragezic
Meh, Democrat or Republican, I do not like it one bit to have one party in such huge control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. Don't see how that is a good thing.

If it was the repuggies, I'd forecast a dark future. But it's democrits. Getting them together in lockstep is like herding cats.

The Democrats are not a homogeneous group. I think what defines most Democrats today is that they are not Republicans.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: jpeyton
60 seats baby!

Enough votes to pass whatever bailout.. whatever health plan.. whatever the dems what... lets see how this turns out.. can't blame the republicans anymore...

Oh look, it's a GWB apologist trying to pin every problem we have today on the current administration. :roll:

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Al Franken? Seriously?

+ 1

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

It's entirely possible that he is. Unfortunately, we have no shortage of people from all sides who revel in the failures of the opposition, even when that meants harm coming to the nation and its citizens (but not them, personally, of course). It's not specific to Republicans or Democrats or Libertarians or any other party.

I'm sure that many (if not most) who do this would argue that it's so much pleasure as vindication of their views; but at the very least, it's schadenfreude.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

I know several people who want the country go down the shitter under the Obama administration for the lone reason of the (R) party regaining control. They are so stubbornly for 'their side' they'd rather this country fail than admit they were wrong. These are the same people who call themselves 'true patriots' and 'real Americans'. :roll:

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

I know several people who want the country go down the shitter under the Obama administration for the lone reason of the (R) party regaining control. They are so stubbornly for 'their side' they'd rather this country fail than admit they were wrong. These are the same people who call themselves 'true patriots' and 'real Americans'. :roll:

Already going down the shitter.... republicans don't need to hope.. they can only watch helplessly as incompetent politicians ruin the economy.. Al Franken, the comedian, lets get real now...

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

I know several people who want the country go down the shitter under the Obama administration for the lone reason of the (R) party regaining control. They are so stubbornly for 'their side' they'd rather this country fail than admit they were wrong. These are the same people who call themselves 'true patriots' and 'real Americans'. :roll:

Apparently, these people have the same goals as the terrorists.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: Patranus
And what policies did the GOP pass that they are responsible for? The war in Iraq? Nope, majority of the Democrats voted for that. Collapse of investment banks? Nope that was Clinton/Repeal of Glass Steagall. Maybe Housing? Nope that was the good old Jimmy Carter/Community Reinvestment Act.

Can you fucking hear yourself?

You said, no joke...

"No longer can the Democrats place blame on Bush or Republicans."

And then a few minutes later you blame Clinton and Carter for everything.

Are you serious?

P.S. It would be just as retarded if you were to blame Reagan and the Bushes for absolutely everything. Certainly Clinton and Carter and congressional Democrats did do some things that hurt our country as well. But they're not wholly responsible and neither are Reagan and the Bushes.

Ouch!

:laugh:

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus
It is now 100% the Democrats show. No longer can the Democrats place blame on Bush or Republicans. You have The House, you have The Senate. It is ALL you guys now.

No. The damage Bush and GOP did to this country is still on you.

I did not realize the republican party had that much power the last 8 years. But if that is how it works then my great-grewat grandchildren can still be blaming Obama and the democrats.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: duragezic
Meh, Democrat or Republican, I do not like it one bit to have one party in such huge control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. Don't see how that is a good thing.

If it was the repuggies, I'd forecast a dark future. But it's democrits. Getting them together in lockstep is like herding cats.

Then you got cats acting like mutts and bitches as the Dems are pretty much lock-stepping now. Besides, Bush never had a supermajority so basically Obama can have his pets Pelosi/Reid pass any damn bill he wants with only the Judicial branch (sort of) standing in his way.

BTW don't the Dems have supermajority status in about 2/3rds of all the states and their legislatures? With the way the Republicans are disillusioned, Obama can also roughshod and fire out new Constitutional amendments at will. Let's see... #1 Abolish Presidential Term Limits, #2 All Illegals are now US citizens, #3 No Fossil fuels #4 100% tax rate on any income over $250K #5 Free UHC for everyone... Yes, I can almost taste the Democrat Utopia, "The Great Society"

ummm No.

Dems have 28 governorships and 27 state legislatures.

You need 34? to pass an amendment.

Yes a little far fetched... but don't think for a second the federal government won't be afraid to withhold federal funds from individual states to get what they want. That is why the drinking age is 21 in every state.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

I know several people who want the country go down the shitter under the Obama administration for the lone reason of the (R) party regaining control. They are so stubbornly for 'their side' they'd rather this country fail than admit they were wrong. These are the same people who call themselves 'true patriots' and 'real Americans'. :roll:

Already going down the shitter.... republicans don't need to hope.. they can only watch helplessly as incompetent politicians ruin the economy.. Al Franken, the comedian, lets get real now...

You're clueless aren't you? You do realize the country didn't start going down the shitter on 1/20/09, right?

Ronnie Regan, the actor, let's get real now.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Patranus
It is now 100% the Democrats show. No longer can the Democrats place blame on Bush or Republicans. You have The House, you have The Senate. It is ALL you guys now.

No. The damage Bush and GOP did to this country is still on you.

I did not realize the republican party had that much power the last 8 years. But if that is how it works then my great-grewat grandchildren can still be blaming Obama and the democrats.

No, but you can damned sure blame them 6 months after Obama leaves office.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I'm happy that Al Franken ended up winning, but it was hardly a victory. If the election said anything, it was that Minnesotans weren't particularly happy with either candidate, with 15% of the voters getting behind the independent candidate Dean Barkley instead of supporting the two-party system (I was one of them).

And so you tend to exaggerate the importance of your 'third party army'.

It's hardly unprecedented. Ask the constituents of Lieberman - or Bill Clinton in 1992.

Or you could always ask George Bush, who lost the popular vote in 2000, how 'real' that victory was - also given his getting the vote in Florida by mistakes and theft.

Mistakes in handling the ballots - Yes
Theft - only as seen by the sour grapes loser of the battle.

The courts spoke on what had to be done in both FL and MN

You are ignorant about the facts. There was a very corrupt theft of votes done by hijacking the issue of 'felon voters', and Jeb Bush ordered a firm to create a 'purge list' and ordered them to use extremely overly broad criterion for who went on it - in a way that half the names were African Americans, who vote 90% Democrat, causing a hugely disproportionate loss of votes to the Democrats. Tens of thousands of votes lost, far more Democrat than Republican, equals many times more than needed for Gore to win.

For another example, felons also vote Democrat about 90%, and Bush illegally denied thousands of them the right to vote who legally had it. While Florida doesn't let ex-felons vote, some states do, but Bush ordered thousands of Floriva voters who had been felons in other states, who had their right to vote restored and moved to Florida, barred - even after multiple court orders to cease the practice. Few of these ex-felons had the resources to spend thousands on the lawers to challenge the ban. That cost Gore thousands of votes.

Both of those are *theft* - government actions taken specifically aimed at preventing thousands of *Democratic* votes, illegally. Go read a book and get informed, then post.

I was living in FL when that election happened.

The voter list was processed well before the election.

Jsut because you disagree with the FL law on felons, does not mean that it is illegal.
FL law states that ex-felons can not vote. There is no exclusion on what state they were convicted in.

I am sure that if the Dems felt that they had a case, they would have challenged either in terms of civil liberaties.

They did not - yet they had close to a year or more. It was only when they lost, that the Dems started combing for excuses.

The Dems chose to cherry pick the issue after the fact and that is what cost them the election. When the media did a recount, there were enough votes for Gore; however, the offical state recount was unable to be done PROPERLY within the time frame required.

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Pneumothorax
That's the thing though, with the way the republican party is right now with cheating/disappearing governors, palin/mccain/letterman feuds, futile lawsuits and lack of any real leadership, I'm pretty sure the Dems will get near that point in 2010. The republicans only chance now is complete failure of the stimulus package, failure of UHC, and failure of cap and crap. I'm not exactly a hard-core rightie, but I want BALANCE in the federal government and there is NONE of that now.

You're not hoping for this, are you? Is your 'team' more important than the country?

I know several people who want the country go down the shitter under the Obama administration for the lone reason of the (R) party regaining control. They are so stubbornly for 'their side' they'd rather this country fail than admit they were wrong. These are the same people who call themselves 'true patriots' and 'real Americans'. :roll:

Already going down the shitter.... republicans don't need to hope.. they can only watch helplessly as incompetent politicians ruin the economy.. Al Franken, the comedian, lets get real now...

You're clueless aren't you? You do realize the country didn't start going down the shitter on 1/20/09, right?

Ronnie Regan, the actor, let's get real now.

Are you comparing Al Franken to Ronnie Regan? Thats a riot.. Sure, whatever you say: Al Franken is the next Ronnie Regan. I can see the failboat starting to set sail already -- apparently you got your boarding pass and your luggage full of fail ready to board..

The economy/market started tanking badly once Obama got elected. Before the election it was still debatable if we were in a recession or not. After the election, there was very little doubt.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: eleison
The economy/market started tanking badly once Obama got elected. Before the election it was still debatable if we were in a recession or not. After the election, there was very little doubt.

LOL. That 21% is still kickin ain't they!