Mirror's Edge Catalyst 'Hyper' Settings Made Possible by 8GB VRAM

[antihelten]

This is the second DICE game in a row to drop support for AMD Mantle after Star Wars: Battlefront very disappointing after they championed it.

No one cares about Mantle now that DX12 and Vulkan is available. And from the consumer viewpoint it doesn't really matter which of these APIs are used as long as you get the improvements promised (i.e. better CPU performance primarily).

 

[vissarix]

oh wow a gtx 970 which is considered garbage by alot of posters here smashing a fury x?...nah it cant be true..i blame gameworks.

back to reality... alot of forumers before bashing the gtx 970 they should ask themself why its the most selling gpu among gamers and still keeps growing...


That will be enough thread derailing for you too.

-Rvenger

 

[ShintaiDK]

oh wow a gtx 970 which is considered garbage by alot of posters here smashing a fury x?...nah it cant be true..i blame gameworks.

back to reality... alot of forumers before bashing the gtx 970 they should ask themself why its the most selling gpu among gamers and still keeps growing...

On this forum, the GTX 970 should have been a sales flop according to the "majority". Says a lot about this forum and reality.

That will be enough ShintaiDK
-Rvenger

 

[linkgoron]

oh wow a gtx 970 which is considered garbage by alot of posters here smashing a fury x?...nah it cant be true..i blame gameworks.

back to reality... alot of forumers before bashing the gtx 970 they should ask themself why its the most selling gpu among gamers and still keeps growing...

Gamer's Nexus is the only site showing the gtx 970 beating even the 390.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2476369

According to that thread - both gamegpu and computerbase are showing the 290x/390 beating the 970. OC3D and computerbase are both showing the Fury X beating the 980ti.

On this forum, the GTX 970 should have been a sales flop according to the "majority". Says a lot about this forum and reality.

I believe that most people here believe that the 290x undersold vs the 970, not that the 970 is a horrible card.

Note that according to computerbase, the Fury X is beating the 1070 @4k, although I don't really consider 37FPS as playable for a game like Mirror's Edge.

 

[kondziowy]

oh wow a gtx 970 which is considered garbage by alot of posters here smashing a fury x?...nah it cant be true..i blame gameworks.

back to reality... alot of forumers before bashing the gtx 970 they should ask themself why its the most selling gpu among gamers and still keeps growing...

You are saying this like you were actually convinced that gtx 970 is better than Fury X. Wow dude. Just wow. Back to reality, there is 50% gap between these cards, even in Mirrors Edge. Like what were you thinking posting that?

We established that 970 is not actually running Hyper settings in this game, and that is cheating. If someone on tech forum agrees with this tactic than it's very sad day for PC gaming. If this continues and you buy a graphic card - you will actually not know what it is you are buying. Like 970 with fake 4GB. All comparisons will be meaningless and misleading.

 

[Sweepr]

Note that according to computerbase, the Fury X is beating the 1070 @4k ...

By 1 FPS, in a special setting to prevent Fury X's VRAM limitation. They had to drop details to High.

For 1920 × 1080 the finest Hyper-preset is employed, but the texture details are reduced to Ultra. Otherwise, have graphics cards with only four gigabytes already in Full HD problems. For 2,560 × 1,440 will return to Ultra and reduced again to the preset high in 3,840 × 2,160.

 

[linkgoron]

By 1 FPS, in a special setting to prevent Fury X's VRAM limitation. They had to drop details to High.

I think that taking my complete sentence (and not half of it), and context, would've been more fair.

As I said in my complete comment "... I don't really consider 37FPS as playable for a game like Mirror's Edge", which is the FPS of the Fury X. I think it should be clear that I don't count it as a real win for the Fury X. As you rightly state, ME:C isn't even playable at high settings (let alone ultra or hyper) @4k on the 1070, according to computerbase.

Either way, the point of my post wasn't to compare the 1070 to the Fury X. I wanted to show that claiming that the 970 is "smashing" the Fury X is ludicrous. I fail to see how a 970 could possible be "smashing" the Fury X when the Fury X is basically matching the 1070 at 4k at high settings, and as all three quoted sites in my post show that the 970 isn't even beating the 390/290x.

 

[Hitman928]

DF took down the video.

 

[xthetenth]

You are saying this like you were actually convinced that gtx 970 is better than Fury X. Wow dude. Just wow. Back to reality, there is 50% gap between these cards, even in Mirrors Edge. Like what were you thinking posting that?

We established that 970 is not actually running Hyper settings in this game, and that is cheating. If someone on tech forum agrees with this tactic than it's very sad day for PC gaming. If this continues and you buy a graphic card - you will actually not know what it is you are buying. Like 970 with fake 4GB. All comparisons will be meaningless and misleading.

It's not cheating. It's the game dynamically scaling in a way that causes an apples to orangutans comparison and the reviewer not noticing.

 

[kondziowy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZCJah-FY
DigitalFoundry Re-Test.

RIP 970 in Hyper settings 17fps.

 

[RussianSensation]

On this forum, the GTX 970 should have been a sales flop according to the "majority". Says a lot about this forum and reality.

Sorry, not all of us are worshipers of a corporation and feel good about propping up their gross margins.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4ngbqg/are_we_really_going_to_let_them_get_away_with/

Ya, despite the evidence provided to you for years of VRAM limitations, you still defended 680 2GB/770 2GB vs. 7970Ghz/R9 280X 3GB, 780/780Ti 3GB vs. 290/290X 4GB, and then 3.5GB 970 against R9 390 8GB (while fully ignoring that some people legitimately went R9 390 CF and others went 970 SLI). Now when NV has the lead in VRAM, you promote VRAM like no tomorrow. Next stop, you'll spend the next 12 months berating 4GB RX 480 as having insufficient VRAM, calling GTX 1060's 6GB the sweet-spot and calling RX 480's 8GB useless marketing gimmick. Textbook NV marketing. :sneaky:

Why do you think most of the forum doesn't take anything you post seriously? It's clear your job on these forums is to promote NV/Intel and downplay AMD. It doesn't even matter what the motivation is (paid or unpaid), the fact is you are not an objective poster. So why should we take anything you say at all on PC hardware at face value? You are a broken record since you've joined and amassed almost 20K of anti-AMD / Pro-Intel/NV posts.

The more objective opinion on 970 vs. R9 290/390 does say a lot about this forum; and it's a compliment - a lot more people on AT tech forum are actually tech-savvy/well-informed. :thumbsup:

Among the tech savvy AT posters, there is even a sub-group that take it to the next level -- they are leaders, not followers that the masses are: $0 HD4890 -> $0 3x Hawaii CF -> $0 14nm GPUs SLI/CF in 2016-2017. Good thing the masses who bought 750/750Ti/950/960/970 don't use this perk --> more for us.

I have a friend who bases everything in life on what the masses do. In his view, if the majority rules something as superior, it is. Why think for yourself when millions of people have done all the thinking for you? That's why he still drives a Honda Civic, has barely traveled the world or worked abroad, makes well below 6 figures, is out of shape, doesn't follow a healthy diet, etc. That's why they are the called the masses.

Uses what the masses do as a crutch is not setting the bar high enough.

"Don't follow the crowd, let the crowd follow you" --Margaret Thatcher

"A true leader has the confidence to stand alone" -- Douglas MacArthur

"The task of the leader is to get their people from where they are to where they have not been." --Henry Kissinger

"The quality of a leader is reflected in the standards they set for themselves." --Ray Kroc

"The function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers." --Ralph Nader

"A leader is a person you will follow to a place you would not go by yourself." --Joel Barker

"The art of leadership is saying no, not saying yes. It is very easy to say yes." --Tony Blair

"A leader is one who sees more than others see, who sees farther than others see, and who sees before others see." --Leroy Eimes

Member callouts will not be tolerated here.

-Rvenger

 

[Despoiler]

Sorry, not all of us are worshipers of a corporation and feel good about propping their gross margins.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/4ngbqg/are_we_really_going_to_let_them_get_away_with/

Ya, despite the evidence provided to you for years of VRAM limitations, you still defended 680 2GB/770 2GB vs. 7970Ghz/R9 280X 3GB, 780/780Ti 3GB vs. 290/290X 4GB, and then 3.5GB 970 against R9 390 8GB (while fully ignoring that some people legitimately went R9 390 CF and others went 970 SLI). Now when NV has the lead in VRAM, you promote VRAM like no tomorrow. Next stop, you'll spend the next 12 months berating 4GB RX 480 as having insufficient VRAM, calling GTX 1060's 6GB the sweet-spot and calling RX 480's 8GB useless marketing gimmick. Textbook NV marketing. :sneaky:

Why do you think most of the forum doesn't take anything you post seriously? It's clear your job on these forums is to promote NV/Intel and downplay AMD. It doesn't even matter what the motivation is (paid or unpaid), the fact is you are not an objective poster. So why should we take anything you say at all on PC hardware at face value? You are a broken record since you've joined and amassed almost 20K of anti-AMD / Pro-Intel/NV posts.

The more objective opinion on 970 vs. R9 290/390 does say a lot about this forum; and it's a compliment - a lot more people on AT tech forum are actually tech-savvy/well-informed. :thumbsup:

Among the tech savvy AT posters, there is even a sub-group that take it to the next level -- they are leaders, not followers that the masses are: $0 HD4890 -> $0 3x Hawaii CF -> $0 14nm GPUs SLI/CF in 2016-2017. Good thing the masses who bought 750/750Ti/950/960/970 don't use this perk --> more for us.

I have a friend who bases everything in life on what the masses do. In his view, if the majority rules something as superior, it is. Why think for yourself when millions of people have done all the thinking for you? That's why he still drives a Honda Civic, has barely traveled the world or worked abroad, makes well below 6 figures, is out of shape, doesn't follow a healthy diet, etc. That's why they are the called the masses.

Uses what the masses do as a crutch is not setting the bar high enough.

"Don't follow the crowd, let the crowd follow you" --Margaret Thatcher

"A true leader has the confidence to stand alone" -- Douglas MacArthur

"The task of the leader is to get their people from where they are to where they have not been." --Henry Kissinger

"The quality of a leader is reflected in the standards they set for themselves." --Ray Kroc

"The function of leadership is to produce more leaders, not more followers." --Ralph Nader

"A leader is a person you will follow to a place you would not go by yourself." --Joel Barker

"The art of leadership is saying no, not saying yes. It is very easy to say yes." --Tony Blair

"A leader is one who sees more than others see, who sees farther than others see, and who sees before others see." --Leroy Eimes

Not to mention it's a logical fallacy to believe what is popular must be good. Argumentum ad populum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

 

[Sweepr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm5ZCJah-FY
DigitalFoundry Re-Test.

RIP 970 in Hyper settings 17fps.

Impressive what a difference the extra VRAM makes here. Geforce GTX 970 has a slight advantage (vs Radeon R9 390) at 1080p Ultra, but gets massacred at Hyper.

 

[ShintaiDK]

*walltext removal*

Again you make up your own context and place it on others with your attacks. Let me know when you actual reply to something I said. And dont let the GTX 1080 bedbug bite you like the GTX 980 did.

 

[CuriousMike]

I have a friend who bases everything in life on what the masses do. In his view, if the majority rules something as superior, it is. Why think for yourself when millions of people have done all the thinking for you? That's why he still drives a Honda Civic, has barely traveled the world or worked abroad, makes well below 6 figures, is out of shape, doesn't follow a healthy diet, etc. That's why they are the called the masses.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Dude, I'm there with you until you criticize the Civic.

 

[sxr7171]

I have to agree 100%. The Civic is a perfectly fine transportation device. Comfortable, nicely decked out electronics and features. But it really is a transportation device for the masses. It hits the lowest common denominator and does it well.

But personally I would not be able to tolerate that CVT and utterly boring driving dynamics. I would likely fall asleep driving it. Unfortunately all the "fun" cars tend to cost more in maintenance and definitely require more trips to the shop. It's a sacrifice of reliability for better driving pleasure. It's a choice that only few would make.

The Civic/Camry/Sonata do well because most Americans can't even imagine that driving can be pleasurable. Most people are zombie commuters in their transportation appliance. It definitely would appeal to someone who makes purchasing decision based on consumer reports. Probably buys Bose. Owns a Keurig. Etc. Nothing wrong with any of that, but those are decidedly "follower" type brands. Somebody who would look beyond the surface would find a speaker that sounds much better or a coffee maker that brews at the correct temperature. But such people will always be in the minority. The majority would say Bonavita is an off brand for example.

 

[faseman]

oh wow a gtx 970 which is considered garbage by alot of posters here smashing a fury x?...nah it cant be true..i blame gameworks.

back to reality... alot of forumers before bashing the gtx 970 they should ask themself why its the most selling gpu among gamers and still keeps growing...

You made a fool of yaself! Check the corrected benchmark and you'll find sub 20 fps in "hyper". Strong showing by the 970!

 

[thilanliyan]

And dont let the GTX 1080 bedbug bite you like the GTX 980 did.

I'm gonna need a source for this '1080 bedbug' you speak of...never heard of it...

 

[garagisti]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Dude, I'm there with you until you criticize the Civic.

LOL, true.

What's with this game though? It's nothing like the Tomb Raider from 2013, nor Crysis/ Skyrim or what have you. It's totally underwhelming. The reason why i picked up a copy of first mirror's edge on cheap, it was because they recorded the actual weapon sounds (iirc), than some random cackle.

I'll spend my bargain dollars on some other game it seems

 

[imported_bman]

Not to mention it's a logical fallacy to believe what is popular must be good. Argumentum ad populum. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

Appeal to spite is worse and far more common on the internet, 'greedy Intel and Nvidia'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_spite

Also an appeal to popularity is not necessarily a fallacy and one also has to consider a fallacy fallacy.

 

[nenforcer]

No one cares about Mantle now that DX12 and Vulkan is available. And from the consumer viewpoint it doesn't really matter which of these APIs are used as long as you get the improvements promised (i.e. better CPU performance primarily).

Well that's the problem with Star Wars:Battlefront AND Mirrors Edge:Catalyst is that they are both running Frostbite 3 and have completely dropped AMD Mantle support and are only running DirectX 11. The Mantle support was already built in to the engine there should be no reason for dropping it. Star Wars:Battlefront was probably DirectX 11 only because of the mainstream appeal it has (i.e. an EA requirement). Mirrors Edge:Catalyst I having a feeling does not support AMD Mantle because of its close affiliation with nVidia.

I'm hoping Battlefield 1 is a DX 12 Native title.

 

[Sweepr]

PCLab results are out:

http://pclab.pl/art70140.html

 

[CakeMonster]

Too bad they don't do the same test in 1440 and 4K with the next best mode, which I'll guess will look visually indistinguishable.

 

[cytg111]

While 8GB required for xtreme-something-gfx is a valid point from here on forth, this game, this game, this game is looking bad bad bad.
I would not touch this CS:beforeGO looking game with a shiny new 8GB card ever.

 

[CakeMonster]

If I feel like playing it, I will get it. I just don't have faith in "hyper" looking better than whatever other next best mode it has. Besides, I run lots of stuff in the background, so I'd rather not risk stuttering because that is using up 1Gb+ anyway and 7 is too little. I'll probably not touch "hyper" even with an 8Gb card.