Miss Universe Canada yanks transgendered contestant from pageant

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Gargen

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That's not understanding the issue of transgendered people. Do more research.

Care to point me in the right direction? I'm guessing the research I would find on my own isn't what you have is mind.

Re: dennilfloss
Same question for you... you've given lots of reasons why you think our little minds are wrong, but care to enlighten me? Why are they women?

I don't believe that someone is something simply because they believe they are. Is a transgendered man really a woman the moment they decide or is it only after they've finished surgery? Was David Koresh really God? The same complexity you claim clouds my judgement I claim clouds a simple definition.

And don't misunderstand me. Unlike a lot of the people in this thread that don't see Jenna as a woman, I don't have any hatred toward transgendered. I don't see them as lesser people. I fully support LGBT rights. I was outraged when Californians passed prop 8 at the same time they defended the rights of chickens (full disclosure: my actually opinion is let the state recognize "civil unions" and let the church keep "marriage", but prop 8 just plain bans it all outright). I've physically participated in a gay rights demonstrations. I'd continue to support them going forward... with the one difficult part being what this thread highlights.

Let's take something simpler. Something that doesn't allow for "the privately run pageant can do whatever they want" complexity. Which bathroom should a transgendered person use? I don't think anyone here will be able to convince me that Jenna isn't a male, but the question is should Jenna be treated as a male or female which isn't so simple? So, which bathroom should Jenna use? I agree, that if nothing else for the sake of everyone's comfort, Jenna should use the female bathroom.

It still leaves a lot of gray room for someone to figure out their own personal definition of the which gender "counts" though. You can call it some great big complex thing where it's not clear exactly what moment "I want to be female" turns in to "I am female", but don't be surprised if that cloudiness comes with the price of not other people disagreeing with you about where that line is.
 

Newbian

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For such a silly little content, it hardly matters. It's not like the fact that she used to be a man gives her an advantage. For something as shallow as this, if someone wants to put an android into the competition, and it wins, what does it matter?

The problem is there could be some advantages even with all that surgery but you would have to see all the crap they did and what they kept that could be different then what women could have.
 

mikeymikec

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The problem is there could be some advantages even with all that surgery but you would have to see all the crap they did and what they kept that could be different then what women could have.

What advantages?
 

silverpig

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No. One born a man, dies a man.
I refer to trannies by their "original" genders.

AFAIK her gender was female all along.

Her sex was male.

From what I understand of the subject, gender is a psychology and social construct (barbies and dresses and stuff), and sex is the physiological stuff (boobs and ovaries).
 

Joseph F

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AFAIK her gender was female all along.

Her sex was male.

From what I understand of the subject, gender is a psychology and social construct (barbies and dresses and stuff), and sex is the physiological stuff (boobs and ovaries).

I always thought the words were synonymous.
 

Joseph F

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It's sad there are so many stupid people who are so easily brainwashed by political correctness.

Really. If a schizophrenic donned a robe and crown, and claimed himself the King of England, would you call him by that?
 

Balt

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Eh, they can make whatever rules they want. On the other hand, I personally don't see the point of having a rule that excludes transgendered people. What's the purpose? I doubt a bunch of older hairy men are going to run out and get sex changes just to try to be eligible for the pageant.

Now, if she were trying to compete in some kind of athletic competition, I might see the point in such a rule. OR if they had a rule excluding all people who have had cosmetic surgery, but I think we know that isn't the case.
 
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