Mississippi man pleads guilty to burning cross in yard to intimidate Black family

[Moonbeam]

According to my sufi that would all depend on how 'forgiving' Greenman is of other crime sentences depending upon the crime and what kind of person commits them. You seem sure he would be consistent and his posting here certainly does not point to any kind of consistency at all as he constantly defends the criminals of the right, including in trying to overthrow elections.

You seem quite content with your opinion of Greenman. I am quite content with how I view him also. I can do nothing about the fact that I have an opinion I value above your assumption of facts.

My understanding of what you refer to as Sufism may amount to little in transforming my ego, but it has helped me to actually considered the fact that my judgments when assumed factual may be my real enemy. I still make them I am sure, and if challenged would probably reflexively deny it, but I hope some tiny part of me knows that I don't know anything. I did once end the personal suffering I experience at an incapacitating level owing to an insight that was sparked by a mystical tradition. For that tremendous gift I can never be thankful enough. I saw in a flash that an assumption I had made regarding the need for meaning was meaningless which changed my life. Thinking you know what you don't is a kind of prison, one of one's own making.

 

[Greenman]

Violence does not have to be physical. This was most clearly a violent act.

No argument here.

 

[Greenman]

I think that what Greenman reacts to is is a moral belief that hatred and revenge for evil doers does nothing to stem the actual evil that exists in the world. He used the assumption of a low IQ to make that point. How do you cure the stupidity of low IQ people for whom forethought about the consequences of evil acts won't happen in their thought process.

"So lets just all not wring our hands is hopeless and painful frustration, Let's act out a desire for retribution and let them rot in prison."

That doesn't agree with Greenman's moral character in my opinion. I base my conclusion of the fact that he suggested there should be some sort of attempt in our system of justice that might consider helping people who never grew up with an ability to not act in ways that are destructive and socially impermissible.

There may be better and worse ways to make such an argument, like not assuming someone has a low IQ, but it is, in my opinion, an assumption that if true makes a mockery of the justice system so many vengeful people who desire who are unable to conceptualize his moral concerns.

I don't see then, frankly, an apology for the evil of others in what Greenman has said, but an appeal for something better than vengeance for criminal acts. To my way of thinking that is a profoundly liberal ideal.

This is accurate.
I don't believe the fellow should be allowed to walk away from his actions, but if my guess about his mental capacity is correct, it may simply lead to future acts.
Maybe he just needs a base reaction to a base action, cane the clown and tell him the next time will be double the swats. The bottom line here is I want his behavior changed, not just punished. Those two things don't always go hand in hand.

 

[HomerJS]

Good question what happens when he returns? Unless there is a good solution I would sue his ass civilly. I would use the settlement to move. With the additional money I can get a nicer house.

He would likely lose his house but oh well

Anyone have a better solution?

If I do nothing and he returns have to worry about stalking, poisoning my dog, loud music, spotlights in my window, him allowing use of his yard for an open Klan meeting

 

[MrSquished]

I am sure green man is all for prosecuting economic crimes by blue collar minorities all too strongly and in the strongest terms possible. I'm pretty sure if you go through his posting history you can find this.

But when a white guy does something he does accept the act as a crime but is immediately now concerned about how the prison system works and rehabilitation.

Cry me a River these people are not consistent.

I do think that guy should get some prison but also education and a way back into society not to just punish him and then make his life miserable like so many minorities have had happened to them over the years and every day now.

I'm sure green man is consistent on this.

I do know a lot of naive Democrats in this forum that think so. In fact someone guns to protect themselves about nothing but perception when there is no actual bad behavior . Fascinating . The lack of self awareness is fascinating

But then again, this guy's bad behavior was merely a perception by others and he should just be let free. In fact I think his neighbor should be forced to help clean up his lawn.

 

[nickqt]

Good question what happens when he returns? Unless there is a good solution I would sue his ass civilly. I would use the settlement to move. With the additional money I can get a nicer house.

He would likely lose his house but oh well

Anyone have a better solution?

If I do nothing and he returns have to worry about stalking, poisoning my dog, loud music, spotlights in my window, him allowing use of his yard for an open Klan meeting

I think you use the courts to make the lunatic have to move so you don't have to sell your house for cheap because you're trying to move and because there's a fucking famous lunatic next door.

 

[HomerJS]

I think you use the courts to make the lunatic have to move so you don't have to sell your house for cheap because you're trying to move and because there's a fucking famous lunatic next door.

If I stay this guy knows where I live. Could probably sell at a decent price to white people. I wouldn’t dare sell to minorities. If a minority insisted I would disclose and let them decide

 

[nickqt]

If I stay this guy knows where I live. Could probably sell at a decent price to white people. I wouldn’t dare sell to minorities. If a minority insisted I would disclose and let them decide

There's nothing stopping him from moving after having the lunatic move first.

The point is that trying to sell at this moment with a lunatic next door is going to decrease the property value. Fix the property value problem, then sell.

 

[Moonbeam]

The madness of others can make life difficult. One unfortunate aspect of insanity is that one who suffers from it has no idea who among his neighbors may actually be more insane than he or she is.

 

[Moonbeam]

I am sure green man is all for prosecuting economic crimes by blue collar minorities all too strongly and in the strongest terms possible. I'm pretty sure if you go through his posting history you can find this.

But when a white guy does something he does accept the act as a crime but is immediately now concerned about how the prison system works and rehabilitation.

Cry me a River these people are not consistent.

I do think that guy should get some prison but also education and a way back into society not to just punish him and then make his life miserable like so many minorities have had happened to them over the years and every day now.

I'm sure green man is consistent on this.

I do know a lot of naive Democrats in this forum that think so. In fact someone guns to protect themselves about nothing but perception when there is no actual bad behavior . Fascinating . The lack of self awareness is fascinating

But then again, this guy's bad behavior was merely a perception by others and he should just be let free. In fact I think his neighbor should be forced to help clean up his lawn.

One of the reasons that people do crimes is that they do not foresee being caught. But what if every criminal had to wear a 24 hour effective GPU that left a permanent record of wherever they had been. Perhaps the certainty that no crime could happen anonymously would insure consequences for criminal acts. Of course to make sure that all criminals wore such a device, everyone would have to wear one, but privacy is a treasured commodity because the fear that nobody is watching the watchers. Are there any guarantees that abuse wouldn't take place that would impel you to recommend the development of such a solution?

 

[MrSquished]

One of the reasons that people do crimes is that they do not foresee being caught. But what if every criminal had to wear a 24 hour effective GPU that left a permanent record of wherever they had been. Perhaps the certainty that no crime could happen anonymously would insure consequences for criminal acts. Of course to make sure that all criminals wore such a device, everyone would have to wear one, but privacy is a treasured commodity because the fear that nobody is watching the watchers. Are there any guarantees that abuse wouldn't take place that would impel you to recommend the development of such a solution?

Why quote something if you aren't actually going to respond to it?

 

[Moonbeam]

Why quote something if you aren't actually going to respond to it?

You make no sense that I can see. Even if i quoted nothing, if I read your post then even a non-reply would be my response. I chose, however to respond as I did.

 

[Pens1566]

You make no sense that I can see. Even if i quoted nothing, if I read your post then even a non-reply would be my response. I chose, however to respond as I did.

Oh, the ironing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh, the ironing.

I said that I could not understand the sense of what he said and tried to explain my confusion. When you tell someone you didn’t understand them and give the reasons it no offense was intended. The failure to understand may well lie with me.

It seems, however, and correct me if I am wrong, that your remark was intended to cut. But, if the dog was intended to convey to me the idea that I make no sense, and the irony being that I don’t see that, then you simply pay little attention to facts. I make it abundantly clear and repeatedly so that people will not understand where I am coming from. Do you see the irony?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Force him to serve community service for NAACP and Habitats for Humanity in Mississippi. Two solid years of that should put a dent in his overt racism.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Oh, the ironing.

Oh godd, what trip is he on now?

 

[darkswordsman17]

What made you think the perp has a sub 90 IQ?

I'm guessing because "he's making a lot of sense" to him and if there's one thing other racism not actually being that bad such that we should really be concerned that the racists feelings are gonna be hurt, that Greenman has been adamant about the entire time, is that he's very stupid and he's chosen to be and is quite proud of it. Kinda like all the people that didn't like Turmp and certainly did not vote for him, but then supposedly they started listening and "he made a lot of sense" to them, before they finally fessed up that no in fact they loved him and voted for him and he's actually super smart and not corrupt at all (but if he is corrupt its because he's just super smart, but also if he is corrupt its because it really was an honest mistake because he simply didn't know!). Either way, they're super duper totally not racist!

Greenman: not a racist, just always apologizing for racism.

I wouldn't say he's apologizing, but rather he's not at all concerned with the racism, and instead is terribly concerned that the poor persecuted racists might end up having to face actual consequences for their actions. And also their hurt feelings. Won't someone think of the poor persecuted racists?!? How dare we as a society not tolerate racism? What happened to America when a white dude can't burn a cross on another man's lawn with impunity?

Why are we acting as if Greenman's sub 90 IQ claim were true? There's nothing in any article about this incident that indicates the perp is of diminished mental capacity.
Also, Greenman's insinuation that being sentenced for this hate crime might ruin the perp's life is also untrue. The perp is already a convicted felon serving 8 years for unrelated offenses.

Yeah, why would anyone act like anything that clown says is true? WTF are some of you people seriously still giving any credence to that dishonest/proudly ignorant buffoon? He's literally bragged about choosing to not know what he's talking about on any and every topic. Sadly people on here used to shake their heads and troll such morons that are idiotic enough to demand people discuss anything with them when they act like that, but apparently him just sticking with that won over people like Zin and others who, "well sure he lies or admits he doesn't know even basic facts about what's being discussed and sure does seem to be concerned that racists are gonna face consequences for being racist, but aww shucks I just can't not like him" because apparently being constantly full of shit, constantly defending racists, constantly defending horrible shit (and at times even trying to brag about himself having done such), and just generally offering nothing of value in any discussion ever (although apparently for people like Moonbeam that in itself is valuable to him because I guess maybe it makes his nonsense look at least interesting?), is "charming" to some people.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm quite sure I have heard Greenman say systemic racism does not exist, things like credit scores have fixed that. He does not care about the poor minorities getting tossed in jail for non-violent crime to the farthest extent of the law possible because he does not believe there are any mitigating circumstances around them. But here comes a racist dude and all of a sudden he cares about throwing the book at the guy because of the effects of long-term prison sentences and because he might be dumb. This is why I think some progressives just don't get it, they take these people as intellectually and morally honest when they are nothing but that.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm quite sure I have heard Greenman say systemic racism does not exist, things like credit scores have fixed that. He does not care about the poor minorities getting tossed in jail for non-violent crime to the farthest extent of the law possible because he does not believe there are any mitigating circumstances around them. But here comes a racist dude and all of a sudden he cares about throwing the book at the guy because of the effects of long-term prison sentences and because he might be dumb. This is why I think some progressives just don't get it, they take these people as intellectually and morally honest when they are nothing but that.

He says systemic racism doesn’t exist. Even when I use the example of having to use a fake white family to get a proper home appraisal which is CLASSIC systemic