Missouri Passes Prop. C - Gov cannot force you to buy healthcare

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ayabe

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The majority of Americans want this bill repealed. You can talk about skewing the numbers all you want, but you are a minority on the healthcare bill issue.

Gonna shoot me some Rasmussen poll of middle aged conservative voters to back that up

The demographic you aspire to join someday is in fact dying and does not represent the majority of Americans. Barely anyone below 40 gets polled on anything since they don't have landlines.
 

umbrella39

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Hah I'm gonna pass a law for me that exempts me from federal mandates as well... woohoo.

Did they add the clause that hospitals can reject you without health insurance coverage? If you have a right to not carry insurance, hospitals need to have a right to leave yo' ass on the curb. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

This 100%. Fine, you want out, get out. But stay the fuck away from our ER's. We are not your primary care MD to treat you when you have a sniffle.
 

spidey07

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Aug 4, 2000
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Gonna shoot me some Rasmussen poll of middle aged conservative voters to back that up

The demographic you aspire to join someday is in fact dying and does not represent the majority of Americans. Barely anyone below 40 gets polled on anything since they don't have landlines.

teabagtag

I don't think you are really aware of how pissed off the majority of the country is right now. Congress and Obama are going directly against the will of The People in almost every way.

This vote, combine it with voting in primaries and that will give you a good indication of how pissed off We The People are. We're wide fucking awake now thanks to Obama and the crap he's rammed down our throats when we were screaming STOP IT!

No more are the hard working, tax paying citizens of this country going to work instead of voting. We will not let this country fall because of Obama's actions. We are Strong. We are United. We are HIGHLY motivated.
 
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BoberFett

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Prove it in 2012 Spidey. My guess is we'll be seeing four more years of Obama after the royal Republican eight year clusterfuck.
 

ayabe

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teabagtag

I don't think you are really aware of how pissed off the majority of the country is right now. Congress and Obama are going directly against the will of The People in almost every way.

This vote, combine it with voting in primaries and that will give you a good indication of how pissed off We The People are. We're wide fucking awake now thanks to Obama and the crap he's rammed down our throats when we were screaming STOP IT!

No more are the hard working, tax paying citizens of this country going to work instead of voting. We will not let this country fall because of Obama's actions. We are Strong. We are United. We are HIGHLY motivated.

Actually most people did just go to work rather than vote in meaningless primaries with meaningless items like this Prop C. You know those that do work instead of retired white people who went and voted yesterday since their other option was church or bingo.

You are not the majority, you are an ever shrinking part of the populace who is losing your grip on power. The last gasp of the wasp, good riddance.
 

351Cleveland

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BTW, Missouri gets $1.30 for every $1 they pay in, so even if those leeches refuse to pay taxes, cutting them off from federal spending would be a net win for America's productive taxpayers.

Damn near all states are getting more than they put in... It's not hard when the federal government runs up e debt as it has the past decade.
 

EndGame

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Actually most people did just go to work rather than vote in meaningless primaries with meaningless items like this Prop C. You know those that do work instead of retired white people who went and voted yesterday since their other option was church or bingo.

You are not the majority, you are an ever shrinking part of the populace who is losing your grip on power. The last gasp of the wasp, good riddance.

Your lack of knowledge of the state is showing. Missouri is a highly unionized state. in fact, it has only recently become less unionized with the loss of auto plants/construction jobs/aerospace/manufacturing. Those "retired people" you refer to are/were on average very pro union and collecting union pensions. Prop. C was supported throughout the state even in highly Democrat supported areas like Columbia, Springfield, Kriksville, Kansas City & St. Louis. Chances are the outcome would have been similar with any percentage actually voting.

Problem area is, I don't believe the vote was so much a mandate against health Care Reform as it was the general displeasure of the people from Missouri, and all across the country with the government overall. The passage of this bill was little more than a message to D.C. from Missouri and by several more states after Nov..
 

DaveJ

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Why thank you "King" Dave.

Such an eloquent response, and a succinct counterpoint to my comment. Congratulations.

Oh wait... I forgot that expecting anything beyond schoolyard banter or partisan hackery on this forum is utterly useless. Now where's that middle finger smiley?
 

Red Dawn

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You know if ER's were allowed to turn away those who don't have insurance or the means to pay then I'd be fine with people not having to buy Insurance.

25 yr old guy falls and cracks his head open, doesn't have insurance..oh well to fucking bad.
 

spidey07

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You know if ER's were allowed to turn away those who don't have insurance or the means to pay then I'd be fine with people not having to buy Insurance.

25 yr old guy falls and cracks his head open, doesn't have insurance..oh well to fucking bad.

Just bill me like any other service that is performed in this nation.
 

halik

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You know if ER's were allowed to turn away those who don't have insurance or the means to pay then I'd be fine with people not having to buy Insurance.

25 yr old guy falls and cracks his head open, doesn't have insurance..oh well to fucking bad.

This.

I am flabbergasted that people do not understand that concept. If you have right to not insure, hospital needs to have a right not to treat.
 

halik

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Just bill me like any other service that is performed in this nation.

Swing by your nearest car dealer and try to buy a car with that line ( my appendix surgery ran me more than a new Camry).

Exactly which business will give you multi-thousand dollar items/service after you walk in and "bill you later"? You are delusional, my friend, we're not talking about a $30/mo cell phone bill here.
 

Patranus

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Swing by your nearest car dealer and try to buy a car with that line ( my appendix surgery ran me more than a new Camry).

Exactly which business will give you multi-thousand dollar items/service after you walk in and "bill you later"? You are delusional, my friend, we're not talking about a $30/mo cell phone bill here.

Mortgage
Car Loan
College
Credit Card
Restaurant
Cell Phone
You when you go to work
 

Red Dawn

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Mortgage
Car Loan
College
Credit Card
Restaurant
Cell Phone
You when you go to work
If you qualify. So why Spidey's sitting in the hospital bleeding out his ass he has to qualify for a loan before the staff even looks at hinm.. Sheeeeeiiit, he'd probably be dead by the time they get an OK.
 

halik

Lifer
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Mortgage
Car Loan
College
Credit Card
Restaurant
Cell Phone
You when you go to work

They will give you multi-thousand dollar service without any verification beforehand?

All of those things with large price tags require a ton of paperwork and proof of income and then the counter party has the option of performing the service.

Hospitals do not have the option of performing emergency service and they certainly don't have the option to verify whether you actually have the money to afford your trauma care.

Again, completely astounded this concept is going over your heads.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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They will give you multi-thousand dollar service without any verification beforehand?

All of those things with large price tags require a ton of paperwork and proof of income and then the counter party has the option of performing the service.

Hospitals do not have the option of performing emergency service and they certainly don't have the option to verify whether you actually have the money to afford your trauma care.

Again, completely astounded this concept is going over your heads.

Plenty of people get medical care and ask to be billed for it, this is what people who self insure do. This is essentially what insurance is, they perform the service and then bill the insurance instead of you.
 

ebaycj

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Mar 9, 2002
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So if the government amended the tax code so you had to stand naked in a field, would that be Constitutionally valid?

They could probably set it up as an increase across the board, then you get a large tax credit for standing naked in said field (with proof, of course).
 

OCGuy

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Jul 12, 2000
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Prove it in 2012 Spidey. My guess is we'll be seeing four more years of Obama after the royal Republican eight year clusterfuck.

Yes with no super-majority in congress after 2010 to ram shit legislation down our throats.

Sounds good.
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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Poor people generally take in well more in Fed $$$ than they pay out as well. Are poor people 'leeches' and should they be cut off as well for a 'net win' for America?

If that's what they themselves want, sure. Seems like a win win. They get the less government they want, and save the rest of us money.
 

senseamp

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
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fuck your face only one goddamn state in this union gets less than it pays in one. it would be good for the CALIFORNIA tax payer.

Which I am. So f u. (it's not the only state paying more than it gets back)

If Missouri wants to give up federal money in exchange for not paying taxes, FINE It would be a net win for everyone else, one less pig at the trough.
 

sportage

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Feb 1, 2008
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Hey... I don't care if a state does this or not. I just don't want some sap or his family
showing up at the ER for treatment when something happens. Or I should say.. I don't want to pay his ER bill via higher rates on my plan. So everyone in MO, you just signed onto the republican healthcare plan.
1. Do not get sick!
2. If you do get sick, die fast!
 
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