Missouri police officer guns down armed 18 year old

[Jaskalas]

You probably still think the guy killed at the Walmart had it coming.

Brandishing what looked like a rifle is definitely going to lead to a confrontation with someone. In that confrontation someone getting hurt / killed due to fear is very likely. People are legimately afraid of guns.

What he did was dangerous, and it ended as such, but he didn't "have it coming". It's a tragedy that the man in Walmart was killed - but I understand why it happened. Do you?

Moreover, this guy in Missouri definitely had a gun, and the still photo from the video clearly shows his arm raised straight with it. Angry mob doesn't care anymore, they are happy to see what happened in NYC and become upset when one of theirs does not succeed at such.

It is a dangerous foundation of war that we are treading on.

 

[JackBurton]

Do we see anything about "gentle young man" and "about the start college" and 12 years old picture of said young man yet?

Do we see "but..but..but...the po po shouldn't shoot him, shoulda just taser him...whaaaaaaaa" yet?

I see the pattern here. These cops have horrible timing. They keep shooting black people RIGHT before they go to college. I mean if that's not racist, I don't know what is!

 

[CitizenKain]

good, glad to see one less thug this christmas.

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Maybe in another lifetime we could look back and laugh. However, the police in many areas are losing the trust of the community, which is going to lead to more problems for everyone. Just look at the responses in your thread, people being utterly dismissive of how these communities feel - this is a problem that's not going to be fixed overnight.

I'm utterly contemptuous of people who abuse their power and position. That would include those who promote hate and racism like Sharpton. The police are responsible for their actions and if abuse happens there needs to be better mechanism to deal with those.

On the other hand when Sharpton talks out of both sides of his mouth, calling for peace yet automatically making Wilson and anyone else who doesn't automatically call for conviction "the problem" he knows full well that what happened in Ferguson was to be expected and he didn't give a shit.

With people like him and other leaders in the black community there's little need for blacks to have more enemies. The encouragement of irrational behavior righteously presented as justice means hate will never end. Indeed purveyors of hatred, not seekers of resolution, have a vested interest in discontent.

 

[DrPizza]

Finally you get it!


You see, it is not the public's job to take ALL the risk in every encounter with cops.

Bottom line: cops today are pussies. They are scared and they don't know have much to do and they aren't very bright (in fact most departments disqualify you if your aptitude tests come back with anything exceptional). They have a gun and because the only way they know to deal with any confrontation is to blindly empty their magazine in the general direction of the nearest brown people we have all these shootings.


Cops should take 100% of the risk and there should be 10 dead cops for every dead innocent citizen they kill. It's your job you pussies! If you can't handle it then please do us all a favor and quit!

I spent 8 years of my life working with adults who were mentally retarded - their diagnoses were severe mental retardation, or profound mental retardation. I've spent even more years on these forums dealing with trolls.

And still, I often cannot tell the difference between the two groups.

 

[shortylickens]

This isnt a coincidence. Young black males in the area are feeling vilified and are getting hostile.

(waiting patiently for Obama to say something)

 

[Blackjack200]

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

Quoted for posterity. I hope you never have to go through what the families of those officers are going through, though you probably deserve to with that attitude.

 

[TreVader]

I spent 8 years of my life working with adults who were mentally retarded - their diagnoses were severe mental retardation, or profound mental retardation. I've spent even more years on these forums dealing with trolls.

And still, I often cannot tell the difference between the two groups.

Maybe you're the one who's retarded, did you ever consider that?


Of course you didn't, you're retarded

 

[soulcougher73]

"I fought the law and the law one"
"Another one bites the dust, and another ones gone, and another ones gone, another one bites the dust"

 

[dali71]

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

I hope that you run into one of these "fine young men" in a dark alley and there are no "pigs" around to save your worthless ass.

 

[halik]

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

You're 20s white male that grew up in the suburbs in a 2 parent middle class household, but can't stand their conformity and boredom, and the most exhilarating thing you've done in life was sweat shop protest in college, right?

 

[HomerJS]

Funny you didn't use Michael Brown as your example.

You don't rally around someone who may be a bad actor in a situation. In the Brown case he probably was.

There more then enough cases to protest over

Eric Garner
John Crawford

 

[Knowing]

'He was a good young man. He was 18. He was trying to get his life back together. We were trying to get him back in school and stuff.'

This is getting cliche.

 

[piasabird]

I support the cops. We have become too soft on crime and criminals. It use to be if you stole a horse you were hung by the neck. We need more laws like that. If you steal a car you should be executed as soon as possible. If you are soft on criminals they just committing more and more crime. They should arrest people for jaywalking and throwing even one cigarette on the ground. If you give people an inch, they take a mile. Just We must have law and order. This started with putting up with those stupid wall street protests. If someone protests for 3 days that is the limit anyone should put up with them. After that they are just trying to hold the public hostage. If this means the police have to use billy clubs or guns I am OK with it. If people take to the streets and demand the violence, give them violence. Without order we are just a bunch of anarchists.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Finally you get it!


You see, it is not the public's job to take ALL the risk in every encounter with cops.

Bottom line: cops today are pussies. They are scared and they don't know have much to do and they aren't very bright (in fact most departments disqualify you if your aptitude tests come back with anything exceptional). They have a gun and because the only way they know to deal with any confrontation is to blindly empty their magazine in the general direction of the nearest brown people we have all these shootings.


Cops should take 100% of the risk and there should be 10 dead cops for every dead innocent citizen they kill. It's your job you pussies! If you can't handle it then please do us all a favor and quit!

Actually let's do better. Disband police and require that every adult citizen without severe mental difficulties or violent criminal record be trained in firearm use and be required to carry a weapon. If there is a wrongful shooting then there should be legal repercussions. Being ordinary people that's more likely than for police, right? The conditions for proper use of lethal force would be a "reasonable standard" test. In other words if a panel of citizens finds that an ordinary person could have reasonably believed that lethal force was required to stop a criminal act of sufficient seriousness, or likewise, that their life or that of another required the use of deadly force then no charges follow.

Since you aren't a pussy I expect you would endorse such a plan. Crime would plummet, police don't die or get away with killing, ordinary citizens wouldn't have a police union to protect them.

A perfect solution for your requirements.

 

[KK]

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

Hey cops can be thugs too. The two up in NY weren't being thugs so they shouldn't have been executed. Now the other you mentioned, they very well could be thugs. Put your hate on the right people other wise you look like a fuck nut.

 

[trenchfoot]

Actually let's do better. Disband police and require that every adult citizen without severe mental difficulties or violent criminal record be trained in firearm use and be required to carry a weapon. If there is a wrongful shooting then there should be legal repercussions. Being ordinary people that's more likely than for police, right? The conditions for proper use of lethal force would be a "reasonable standard" test. In other words if a panel of citizens finds that an ordinary person could have reasonably believed that lethal force was required to stop a criminal act of sufficient seriousness, or likewise, that their life or that of another required the use of deadly force then no charges follow.

Since you aren't a pussy I expect you would endorse such a plan. Crime would plummet, police don't die or get away with killing, ordinary citizens wouldn't have a police union to protect them.

A perfect solution for your requirements.

I could name your solution "The Wild Wild West Scenario".

Actually, your solution has some unintentional circular logic to take into consideration:

Under your hypothetical scenario, it's likely that anarchy will follow. The criminal element will naturally take control, due to their willingness to go a step further than any normal citizen would no matter how much higher things escalate and the fact that the criminal element are already well armed and well positioned to take control of the territory they're located in.

Cries for the police to take back the streets from the criminal element will be heard, martial law is declared, the criminal element go back to their old ways, the cops go back to their old ways, some kind of order is restored for awhile and the whole process repeats itself until the real reasons for having this cycle exist in the first place get taken care of. And that will never happen as our politicians are more concerned with keeping a hold on office via appeasing the folks who really matter: the very rich who the pols MUST suck up to, and whoever else is left, other than the folks who don't vote, who just so happen to be the folks that suffer the most from the aforementioned repeating cycle of despair and abandonment.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'm going to give you a little piece of reality. Those community that have "lost trust" in the police are the same communities that are willing to burn down and steal from their neighbors. These are shitholes communities (see Furgeson), and the reason they are like that is not because of cops, it's because they refuse to address the real problem, which is themselves.

People need to realize the class of people, white black or whatever, has moved beyond East St. Louis and into surrounding communities. Ferguson is a lot like Belleville, Illinois, which is next door to East St. Louis. This has been a St. Louis issue for the past 100 years; it's just bleeding out farther into the county now. If you think Ferguson is a ticking time bomb, look at the border between East St. Louis and Belleville. Belleville is much more militarized, especially on the west end near East. St Louis.

If there was going to be a battle.. the area I marked in the image is where it would be nastiest.

 

[HomerJS]

Brandishing what looked like a rifle is definitely going to lead to a confrontation with someone. In that confrontation someone getting hurt / killed due to fear is very likely. People are legimately afraid of guns.

What he did was dangerous, and it ended as such, but he didn't "have it coming". It's a tragedy that the man in Walmart was killed - but I understand why it happened. Do you?

Moreover, this guy in Missouri definitely had a gun, and the still photo from the video clearly shows his arm raised straight with it. Angry mob doesn't care anymore, they are happy to see what happened in NYC and become upset when one of theirs does not succeed at such.

It is a dangerous foundation of war that we are treading on.

You do know Ohio is an open carry state and Walmart allows open carry of real guns. I guess its not allowed while black.

 

[werepossum]

Brandishing what looked like a rifle is definitely going to lead to a confrontation with someone. In that confrontation someone getting hurt / killed due to fear is very likely. People are legimately afraid of guns.

What he did was dangerous, and it ended as such, but he didn't "have it coming". It's a tragedy that the man in Walmart was killed - but I understand why it happened. Do you?

Moreover, this guy in Missouri definitely had a gun, and the still photo from the video clearly shows his arm raised straight with it. Angry mob doesn't care anymore, they are happy to see what happened in NYC and become upset when one of theirs does not succeed at such.

It is a dangerous foundation of war that we are treading on.

"Brandishing" should not translate as "carrying". But yeah, we're heading into war.

I spent 8 years of my life working with adults who were mentally retarded - their diagnoses were severe mental retardation, or profound mental retardation. I've spent even more years on these forums dealing with trolls.

And still, I often cannot tell the difference between the two groups.

Don't beat yourself up. This may be due solely to the significant overlap.

Actually let's do better. Disband police and require that every adult citizen without severe mental difficulties or violent criminal record be trained in firearm use and be required to carry a weapon. If there is a wrongful shooting then there should be legal repercussions. Being ordinary people that's more likely than for police, right? The conditions for proper use of lethal force would be a "reasonable standard" test. In other words if a panel of citizens finds that an ordinary person could have reasonably believed that lethal force was required to stop a criminal act of sufficient seriousness, or likewise, that their life or that of another required the use of deadly force then no charges follow.

Since you aren't a pussy I expect you would endorse such a plan. Crime would plummet, police don't die or get away with killing, ordinary citizens wouldn't have a police union to protect them.

A perfect solution for your requirements.

Nope, the preferred solution is to abolish the cops and disarm law abiding citizens. That way the Social Redistribution Warriors can establish a more just society without fear of harm. Except from each other, of course.

 

[Blanky]

I just saw this on the news. Different city, but another "good kid" who pulled a gun on somebody and got shot to death.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...-mall-had-troubled-past-but-was-making/njYn5/

“This is very unfortunate. He’s very polite and well mannered, he likes video games…a good kid."

Also had a history of crime at just the age of 16. Everything in his record says he's the antithesis of good kid.

 

[JockoJohnson]

and 2 less pigs. Almost evens out.

Wait, cops are still ahead with a dead 12 year old, an unarmed man in a walmart. Also that guy shot getting out of the car.

I am assuming that post is sarcasm.

Should I assume every black person that I see is a dangerous, gun wielding thug? The answer is obviously no. But it would seem your dumbass (and I will add many others on here and elsewhere) assumes ALL cops are out to get black people. That is just as fucking stupid. We do need a more legitimate way of conducting investigations on cops involved in shootings -- ALL shootings.

 

[cubby1223]

I am assuming that post is sarcasm.

Should I assume every black person that I see is a dangerous, gun wielding thug? The answer is obviously no. But it would seem your dumbass (and I will add many others on here and elsewhere) assumes ALL cops are out to get black people. That is just as fucking stupid. We do need a more legitimate way of conducting investigations on cops involved in shootings -- ALL shootings.

With the pile-on of posts in this thread, along with what other people also have written they are hearing... I don't believe this is sarcasm.

Remember, he was one who explicitly wrote in desire of physical harm against random police officers during the initial Ferguson riots.

 

[FerrelGeek]

This isnt a coincidence. Young black males in the area are feeling vilified and are getting hostile.

(waiting patiently for Obama to say something)

Maybe if they stopped robbing stores, killing rival gang members, and trying to kill cops, they'd be less vilified.

As others have already said, the inner-city black community is its own worst enemy. Their race-baiting 'leaders' are abusing them in the worst way - taking advantage of them for their own agendas, including getting themselves 1%ers rich.

 

[LegendKiller]

I just saw this on the news. Different city, but another "good kid" who pulled a gun on somebody and got shot to death.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...-mall-had-troubled-past-but-was-making/njYn5/


Also had a history of crime at just the age of 16. Everything in his record says he's the antithesis of good kid.

I would understand 100% IF they said "He *WAS* a good kid, then ran with a bad crowd and went off the rails, becoming a gansta wannabe (or a real one) and then became a bad kid". But no, it is always "He *IS* a good kid". Really people? What the fuck is your definition of a "good kid"?

I can tell you, with 100% certainty, that if I was shot being an idiot, disrespecting the law or pulling a gun on a cop, that my dad would NOT have called me a "good kid". He would have apologized to society for going wrong somewhere.