Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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ivwshane

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Yes, seriously.

There are too many contradictory eye witness statements, and potentially other accounts as yet unreleased.

I will find testimony far more compelling when we have physical evidence to compare it against. For now, we have a multitude of stories and no way to judge which if any are accurate.

Show me the interview that the witness says brown wasn't trying to pull away or that he was clearly the one attacking the officer.
 

WackyDan

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St. Louis County Circuit Court administrator Paul Fox said there are three African-Americans -- one male, two females -- and nine whites -- six males, three females -- on the 12-member panel. There are a total of seven men and five women.

No information was given about the ages or occupations of any on the grand jury.

This information on the jury's makeup comes as a key complaint among Brown family supporters continues: that the man whose office is tasked with making the case to the grand jury -- St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch -- is too cozy with law enforcement, does not have a good relationship with the African-American community and thus should be replaced.

For his part, McCulloch has indicated he won't recuse himself, saying he's simply doing the job he was elected to do.

The county grand jury was randomly selected from an approved pool and has been seated since May according Paul Fox, the director of judicial administration for the St. Louis County Circuit Court.

In many locales, grand juries hear numerous cases during their terms, which cover a specified period of time instead of the duration of a specific case.

Unlike a jury in a criminal case, which convicts someone if jurors are convinced of guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," a grand jury decides if there is "probable cause" -- based on testimony and evidence presented, in the absence of a judge -- to charge someone with a crime. In Missouri, they don't have to be unanimous to press such an indictment, as long as nine of the 12 agree on a charge.

"Too cozy" = We want a jury and prosecutor biased to our side of the story.

Seems that the St. Louis County citizens felt he was well qualified to be prosecutor when he ran for office. I wonder who Brown's Mom voted for? Absent any complaints regarding the prosecutor and prior cases, I have a hard time understanding the request he bow out and a harder time seeing that actually happen.
 

Ackmed

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"Too cozy" = We want a jury and prosecutor biased to our side of the story.

Seems that the St. Louis County citizens felt he was well qualified to be prosecutor when he ran for office. I wonder who Brown's Mom voted for? Absent any complaints regarding the prosecutor and prior cases, I have a hard time understanding the request he bow out and a harder time seeing that actually happen.

Let's not pretend Browns mother even voted, c'mon now...


Careful with the thrust of your racist assumptions here, please.

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TerryMathews

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Show me the interview that the witness says brown wasn't trying to pull away or that he was clearly the one attacking the officer.
I'm sure when all the witness interviews are released, we will be able to find one that says exactly that. And another one that says the exact opposite.
 

ivwshane

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Show me where the witness media tour in the Zimmerman case turned out to be what actually occurred. I have a feeling it will be the same in this case as well.

Sorry you are in the wrong thread, this isn't about Zimmerman. Why you would think one case would be like another totally unrelated case in terms of circumstance, location, history, and really anything else, is beyond me.
 

Fern

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Everyone seems to assume that the evidence in the Grand jury proceeding will be made public.

I'm not so sure. I heard an attorney from S.L. say that most criminal trial don't use a grand jury; they use a preliminary hearing. The attorney said they use a grand jury when they want to keep the evidence sealed (i.e., not released to the public.)

These links seem to confirm that grand jury proceedings are held in secret:

http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/Sealing_Guide.pdf/$file/Sealing_Guide.pdf

http://ago.mo.gov/publications/courtprocess.pdf

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/usworld/questions-answers-about-missouri-grand-juries/

Jurors aren't allowed to speak to the public either. They can be prosecuted if they do so.

So, I'm curious what we're going to actually find out as a result of this GJ proceeding.

Fern
 

Londo_Jowo

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Sorry you are in the wrong thread, this isn't about Zimmerman. Why you would think one case would be like another totally unrelated case in terms of circumstance, location, history, and really anything else, is beyond me.

We shall see if those who have made the media tour statements are what really happened or if it was what the person who was unknowing recorded version is what happened. Which is supposed be in line with Officer Wilson's statement on what occurred.
 
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Statements by chief of police. You'll get to see how brutally he was attacked soon enough. He was very badly beaten by brown. That's fact.

I repeat, what DOCUMENTED injuries? Until actual PROOF of these injuries is presented you are simply flinging those turds again.
 

TerryMathews

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Sorry you are in the wrong thread, this isn't about Zimmerman. Why you would think one case would be like another totally unrelated case in terms of circumstance, location, history, and really anything else, is beyond me.
To not recognize the parallels in the media campaign (Both run by Crump...) is to stick your head in the sand.

The difference between you and me is, I can admit Brown might have been murdered. I don't think you can admit he might not have been.
 
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