By that same logic, it's also "alleged murder and misconduct" is it not?
Because when you're choosing to chime in, the opinion you're advancing is not "let's wait and see what evidence comes out to eliminate the faulty witness statements."Yes, why would you imagine that I would think otherwise?
Because when you're choosing to chime in, the opinion you're advancing is not "let's wait and see what evidence comes out to eliminate the faulty witness statements."
Here is a meme that was made and used by the supporters of the cops and supporters of "Officer Wilson". This was posted on the "Law Enforcement Today" FB page. Looks to me like they're promoting officers shooting citizens who don't support the officers.
Right now, no one has anything.
To not recognize the parallels in the media campaign (Both run by Crump...) is to stick your head in the sand.
The difference between you and me is, I can admit Brown might have been murdered. I don't think you can admit he might not have been.
Because when you're choosing to chime in, the opinion you're advancing is not "let's wait and see what evidence comes out to eliminate the faulty witness statements."
Wow, you seem to know an awful lot about this family. You a next door neighbour? Relative maybe?
actually statistics do lie depending on what agenda the person doing the statistics has.....if I was you I would shut up and allow people to think your smart, than to keep talking and confirm what we already are thinking...I'm just going by statistics. They don't lie. Generally people in her demographic (politically correct enough?!) do not vote. Apparently that cannot be talked about though. "Friends of the family" calling for him to be replace is just stupid. He was voted in by the people. He is there for the people. Trying to get him out, because they don't like that he's white is just dumb.
The Time magazine article is laughable. Obviously made with a huge agenda.
I'm just going by statistics. They don't lie. Generally people in her demographic (politically correct enough?!) do not vote. Apparently that cannot be talked about though. "Friends of the family" calling for him to be replace is just stupid. He was voted in by the people. He is there for the people. Trying to get him out, because they don't like that he's white is just dumb.
Yep, just the man for the job. I mean, look who else was unarmed and not moving in the direction of officers.The petition being circulated points to a 2000 incident in which two suspected drug dealers were killed by two police officers, McCulloch never brought charges against the officers, concluding they acted in self-defense. A subsequent federal investigation found that the men were unarmed and not moving in the direction of the officers, but because the officers felt endangered, the investigation found that the shootings were justified, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported.
Everyone seems to assume that the evidence in the Grand jury proceeding will be made public.
I'm not so sure. I heard an attorney from S.L. say that most criminal trial don't use a grand jury; they use a preliminary hearing. The attorney said they use a grand jury when they want to keep the evidence sealed (i.e., not released to the public.)
These links seem to confirm that grand jury proceedings are held in secret:
http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/Sealing_Guide.pdf/$file/Sealing_Guide.pdf
http://ago.mo.gov/publications/courtprocess.pdf
http://www.dailyrepublic.com/usworld/questions-answers-about-missouri-grand-juries/
Jurors aren't allowed to speak to the public either. They can be prosecuted if they do so.
So, I'm curious what we're going to actually find out as a result of this GJ proceeding.
Fern
They pretty much are in a war zone, and at least to some degree one of their own making. That said, I think someone may have been watching too much TWD, as that's what it evoked to me. i.e. Watch your sectors, anything moving is a target. They don't appear to be protecting, they appear to be moving offensively in a tight wedge formation.Text aside, what is that picture supposed to imply? That they are trained in military tactics? Rifles drawn at the ready pointed every which direction as if they're in a war zone?
Prosecutor may be between a rock and a hard place here. If he goes to a judge with the proceedings being public and doesn't get a true bill, the accusation is that the system protects its own and the city likely burns. If he goes to the grand jury with the proceedings not being public and doesn't get a true bill, the accusation is that the system protects its own and the city likely burns. Think I would have opted for the judge, so that at least the people could see the evidence. Personally, I'm a law and order conservative kinda guy and I'm going to have a very difficult time believing these witnesses and injury reports if they are kept secret.Everyone seems to assume that the evidence in the Grand jury proceeding will be made public.
I'm not so sure. I heard an attorney from S.L. say that most criminal trial don't use a grand jury; they use a preliminary hearing. The attorney said they use a grand jury when they want to keep the evidence sealed (i.e., not released to the public.)
These links seem to confirm that grand jury proceedings are held in secret:
http://www.fjc.gov/public/pdf.nsf/lookup/Sealing_Guide.pdf/$file/Sealing_Guide.pdf
http://ago.mo.gov/publications/courtprocess.pdf
http://www.dailyrepublic.com/usworld/questions-answers-about-missouri-grand-juries/
Jurors aren't allowed to speak to the public either. They can be prosecuted if they do so.
So, I'm curious what we're going to actually find out as a result of this GJ proceeding.
Fern
Ironic huh???Can we please have a "police abuse forum"?
Can we please have a "police abuse forum"?
Ironic huh???
Have you seen this one....starts out bad....ends up sort of good...yet they got the cars description wrong and how can you mistake 4 black children for 4 black men????
http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/vide...Glvbg--/RS=%5EADAs4z5aGSg4i_VuY6Zfdm0WLysOs4-
. Holder is going to pounce on this and if there's something going on it's hard to imagine things aren't under a microscope. At some point we know much more.Somebody please tell me if I'm understanding correctly here
verifiable witnesses who have came forward saying Brown didn't attack the cop = of no substance what-so-ever.
"sources" which are completely unknown that have said the officer got beat the fuck up = the gospel truth!
I've seen people on CNN interviewed who saw it go down, I'm not saying I believe 100% they're telling the truth. But I can put faces to the story. The cop getting his face busted up, I can't put a face, not even a name to these "sources" Maybe they exist, maybe they don't. I generally I don't trust a story when it says "sources close to" But hay, that's just me.
I'll second this.Can we please have a "police abuse forum"?
All witness statements are unreliable. That is why you should have corroborating evidence to eliminate the incorrect statements.Somebody please tell me if I'm understanding correctly here
verifiable witnesses who have came forward saying Brown didn't attack the cop = of no substance what-so-ever.
"sources" which are completely unknown that have said the officer got beat the fuck up = the gospel truth!
I've seen people on CNN interviewed who saw it go down, I'm not saying I believe 100% they're telling the truth. But I can put faces to the story. The cop getting his face busted up, I can't put a face, not even a name to these "sources" Maybe they exist, maybe they don't. I generally I don't trust a story when it says "sources close to" But hay, that's just me.
Just wow.....I am so very outspoken because I have several times in my life been in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was very lucky because things could have went south really fast even though in my younger years I was more polite and more pro authority than I am now!! Thank You for sharing! I truly understand!!I was mistaken for someone else and beaten then left bleeding. I was 14 and there was nothing we could do.
Perhaps that's why I'm sensitive to injustice or at least it part of the reason. But I never made the leap that many seem to have, that police are bad if something tragic happens, nor is supposition superior to truth. The cop may or may not be guilty but a lot of people have suffered harm by the mob and that too is injustice. I'd have none of it.
I agree!! Holder I think understands that there will be huge ramifications for our nation if this is not done right!! In fact if I may -- we, I believe are at a turning point -- our nation IMO is one big powder keg getting ready to blow and the smallest thing.....Holder is going to pounce on this and if there's something going on it's hard to imagine things aren't under a microscope. At some point we know much more.
yep--too many people with their own agendas and I am not sure if anybodys agenda includes the word -- JUSTICE!!!All witness statements are unreliable. That is why you should have corroborating evidence to eliminate the incorrect statements.
I agree with you, some are taking statements that tell a story that fits their preconceived notions as the gospel and disregarding the other statements.
I am not comfortable believing any of them until we have more evidence to look at with it. Ballistics and GSR tests on Brown's clothing specifically.