So I feel like the majority of the people in this thread are saying the same thing...we don't know the answers, only real evidence will provide the truth, in the mean time here is a possible scenario of events, poke holes in it.
That's the position I've taken, that's the position Jedi has, I even think terry has that view, as does hayabusa, and a few others like cubby. There are a few that seem to have already made a judgement, spidey comes to mind.
Does everyone agree with my conclusion? More importantly does everyone feel the same way hayabusa feels? Feel free to respond so everyone knows where you stand.
If so, can we simply ignore the trolls (aka spidey, spatially, and whoever else), and all agree that at this point we are simply trying to figure out what happened based on the info we do have. Can we agree that nothing anyone posts is a fact and should not be taken as a fact (unless it is a universally accepted fact) and that we take the posts as merely a suggestion of possibility and not as statements of supporting said suggestions?
Can we preface posts where we are about to propose a possibility of what transpired with the words, "in my opinion"? Because reading many of the posts here it certainly seems like people are trying to state something as fact when they are really just trying come up with an educated guess as to what happened (you can see this in posts by terry and hayabusa where they had to clarify themselves).