Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[Attic]

I also saw a local St. Louis newspaper claiming 12 casings (all thought to be from the officers weapon) were found at the scene.

Are they finding and sourcing pictures to help support this or lend credence that info?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

We call that SkitDaddling around here

We called it Allibirding. Alligator mouth, hummingbird ass.

 

[Attic]

CTH is as biased as they come. It's Breitbarts place, he made up lots of BS. The head of that Brown thread there is a grocery store manager IIRC.

LOL, they call Brown "Big Mike" cause we all know a big black man is scarier, yet they fail to note that Wilson is guesstimated @ 6'5- 6' 6" tall himself.

"Big Mike" was Mike Brown's nickname. We dont all know "a big black man is scarier" (you apparently believe this?). Generally the thread is better without your kind of nonsense and baiting here.

I think you are really reaching here if you're going to call out CTH for using "Big Mike" by framing them in your chosen manner. Doesn't make sense unless we are only seeing your bias, and not CTH, at least on this specific issue you have.

Dorian Johnson's Attorney

Dorian Johnson and Michael Brown go to Ferguson Market and Liquor. Surveillance video captures a man pushing a clerk before walking out of the store with a box of cigarillos.
Johnson's attorney, Freeman Bosley, confirms Johnson and Brown were there.
"My client, Dorian Johnson, he [told investigators about] the situation involving Big Mike taking the cigarillos. This is not a theft, it's more of a shoplifting situation."

Dorian Johnson himself describing what he saw when interviewed,

Johnson: "My friend, Big Mike, very angrily is trying to pull away from the officer."
The officer draws his weapon. He says "'I'll shoot" or "I'm about to shoot." "I'm standing so close to Big Mike and the officer, I look in his window and I see that he has his gun pointed at both of us. And when he fired his weapon, I moved seconds before he pulled the trigger. I saw the fire come out the barrel and I instinctually knew it was a gun. I looked at my friend Big Mike and saw he was struck in the chest or upper region because I saw blood spatter down his side."

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Are they finding and sourcing pictures to help support this or lend credence that info?

Performing a search on google only finds "several" and "more than a few" casings found at the scene.

 

[Attic]

Performing a search on google only finds "several" and "more than a few" casings found at the scene.

That's most of what i've seen without much examination. Location is as if not more important at this point. Relative to brown's body and wilson's position on the line of sight we can start to discern where the bursts took place (if audio is legit).

12 casings sounds in line based on the unverified audio and some of what CTH has put together. I don't know scene procudure, but if each cone represents one and only one item of evidence then there are not enough cones I see at this time to detail the rest of the casings locations.


Based on audio, I tend to see a scene where Wilson is giving chase while firing (unsure likelyhood, training protocol), Brown turns around and the critical part takes place. Hard to imagine Brown charging after this given clear danger of a policeman firing (though witness 6 is convincing IMO), and it's hard to imagine Wilson murdering in broad daylight a surrendering and already wounded Brown (though Tiffany appears believable on this end in a matter of fact way). Tiffany would have been further away than witness 6, Johnson by his own admission was hiding behind a car (he could have pieced info together incorrectly by frames he's also likely in shock for some time after these events).

 

[TechBoyJK]

I also saw a local St. Louis newspaper claiming 12 casings (all thought to be from the officers weapon) were found at the scene.

What local paper? I'm in St. Louis. I'll go check it out.

 

[Attic]

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

Who were those 2? Additional eyewitness or existing eyewitness to what we know? They would have had clear view, but I don't think we've heard from them in media, which is interesting (no lawyer?, sealed evidence?)


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

 

[xBiffx]

Who were those 2? Additional eyewitness or existing eyewitness to what we know? They would have had clear view, but I don't think we've heard from them in media, which is interesting (no lawyer?, sealed evidence?)


http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

Anything coming from msnbc is absolutely tainted. There is a complete conflict of interest here when they have one of the instigators of the riots on their payroll.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I suspect the reason the police didn't interview some of these vocal witnesses is due to the fact their claims do not match the evidence or statements from witnesses who do not want to be in the lime light.

 

[Attic]

Anything coming from msnbc is absolutely tainted. There is a complete conflict of interest here when they have one of the instigators of the riots on their payroll.

Disagree here. MSNBC has it's rep for a reason, but they can still be a point of good info. The two folks in the car screaming would be an odd thing to paint into Dorian's account if Dorian did not actually say this.

I suspect the reason the police didn't interview some of these vocal witnesses is due to the fact their claims do not match the evidence or statements from witnesses who do not want to be in the lime light.

Agreed, makes more sense then police conspiracy at this point. I think if every witness said what the same as the witnesses the folks the Brown supporters have hung their hat on we'd have seen a murder charge by now.

 

[soundforbjt]

Are they finding and sourcing pictures to help support this or lend credence that info?

Of course, today when I look for the info on the casings, I can't find it again (I should've linked it then, but was tired).

Summary: Physical evidence seems to contradict the claims of the highly publicized eye witnesses and the attorney’s of Mike Brown’s family – Daryl Parks and Benjamin Crump.

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The physical evidence seems to support the “Josie” account of a confrontation and a charging Big Mike, including the Autopsy.​

The only way Daryl Parks audio recording can be accurate is if it’s incomplete.

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All of the “eye witnesses” speaking on behalf of the Parks and Crump team, were physically together after the shooting as the media arrived and all in conversation with a notorious activist Anthony Shahid. All located on the North side of the street in the grassy knoll.​

Let's see...who is "Josie"?...she's supposedly a friend of Wilson's girlfriend ( who is also a Ferguson police officer), so obviously her "account" came third hand from Wilson, she was not a witness.​

As to the "Big Mike" I posted about, I meant all the commenters on Breitbart's site are using it in most of their comments. It "pushes" their narrative/agenda, much like Sharpton on the opposite "side".​

Just like their conspiracy that all the witnesses were near each other in a still from video/picture tries to show that they all got their stories together before talking to the media.​

I'm still looking for the link to the 12 casings, maybe it was taken down because it wasn't confirmed.​

 

[xBiffx]

Of course, today when I look for the info on the casings, I can't find it again (I should've linked it then, but was tired).

Bait and switch media. Sucks, but it can happen to any of us. The shooting the other day in Omaha had a lot of this going on.

Let's see...who is "Josie"?...she's supposedly a friend of Wilson's girlfriend ( who is also a Ferguson police officer), so obviously her "account" came second hand from Wilson, she was not a witness.​

As to the "Big Mike" I posted about, I meant all the commenters on Breitbart's site are using it in most of their comments. It "pushes" their narrative/agenda, much like Sharpton on the opposite "side".​

Just like their conspiracy that all the witnesses were near each other in a still from video/picture tries to show that they all got their stories together before talking to the media.​

I'm still looking for the link to the 12 casings, maybe it was taken down because it wasn't confirmed.​

Josie is pretty much a proxie for Wilson at this point. He probably can't say much of anything do to legal reasons, so he is essentially telling his side of the story through her. I put no more or less credence in her account than that of the other witnesses.

It really comes down to what the physical evidence tells us. Eyewitnesses are going to start mattering less and less as long as the evidence is sufficient enough to tell the story.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Let's see...who is "Josie"?...she's supposedly a friend of Wilson's girlfriend ( who is also a Ferguson police officer), so obviously her "account" came second hand from Wilson, she was not a witness.

No doubt she's not a witness but the account she relayed is very close to what the inadvertently recorded witness stated happened. This witness even stated Wilson fired 4 shots at MB and thought the officer had missed as MB kept coming so he fired 4 more shots which killed MB. This comes very close to the audio of the shots that recently surfaced.

 

[bshole]

That's most of what i've seen without much examination. Location is as if not more important at this point. Relative to brown's body and wilson's position on the line of sight we can start to discern where the bursts took place (if audio is legit).

12 casings sounds in line based on the unverified audio and some of what CTH has put together. I don't know scene procudure, but if each cone represents one and only one item of evidence then there are not enough cones I see at this time to detail the rest of the casings locations.


Based on audio, I tend to see a scene where Wilson is giving chase while firing (unsure likelyhood, training protocol), Brown turns around and the critical part takes place. Hard to imagine Brown charging after this given clear danger of a policeman firing (though witness 6 is convincing IMO), and it's hard to imagine Wilson murdering in broad daylight a surrendering and already wounded Brown (though Tiffany appears believable on this end in a matter of fact way). Tiffany would have been further away than witness 6, Johnson by his own admission was hiding behind a car (he could have pieced info together incorrectly by frames he's also likely in shock for some time after these events).

If he was shooting at a fleeing suspect as you believe, that could equal murder. Don't know the particulars but I am relatively confident that it is unlawful for an officer to do that. Common sense and logic would dictate a murder charge but that may not be the law.

 

[xBiffx]

If he was shooting at a fleeing suspect as you believe, that could equal murder. Don't know the particulars but I am relatively confident that it is unlawful for an officer to do that. Common sense and logic would dictate a murder charge but that may not be the law.

Actually equating an officer shooting at a fleeing suspect to automatically a murder charge is what is completely devoid of common sense and logic.

 

[dmcowen674]

Yeah, because an audio tape coming forward more than a week after the initial shooting, that sounds completely scripted, where the voice doesn't even pause when shooting starts, released to *only* CNN through (AFAIK) Brown's family's attorneys, is 100% legit, automatically, without equivocation?

Yeah, what happened the last time CNN got "exclusive" audio? Didn't they claim GZ said something very racially charged?

Didn't NBC do something similar, splicing audio to make another racially charged theme?

You racists are a dime a dozen.

The audio was recorded by a third party Company.

8-28-2014

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/28/justice/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-audio/index.html

Audio captured about time of Michael Brown shooting, company says



A company behind the video messaging service that allegedly captured audio of Michael Brown's shooting this month said Thursday the recording was created at about the time Brown was killed.


The revelation from the company, Glide, appears to bolster a man's claim that he inadvertently recorded audio of gunfire at the time the 18-year-old Brown was shot and killed by a Ferguson, Missouri, police officer on August 9.


The video was created at 12:02:14 p.m. that day, Glide said. That's around the time that police say Brown was shot.

 

[blankslate]

Actually equating an officer shooting at a fleeing suspect to automatically a murder charge is what is completely devoid of common sense and logic.

Well, shooting at a fleeing suspect is highly discouraged unless the suspect is a felon who one reasonably suspects will be a danger to others if allowed to escape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."[2]

A police officer may not seize an unarmed, nondangerous suspect by shooting him dead...however...Where the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, either to the officer or to others, it is not constitutionally unreasonable to prevent escape by using deadly force.

—Justice Byron White, Tennessee v. Garner[3]
Fleeing felons may be followed into places not open to the public without a warrant if the officer is in "hot pursuit.[4] Deadly force that is executed by a co-defendant against an accomplice is not justified by the fleeing felon rule.

 

[bshole]

Well, shooting at a fleeing suspect is highly discouraged unless the suspect is a felon who one reasonably suspects will be a danger to others if allowed to escape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

Yea but they say can't do it but they don't say if it is a crime or if it is a crime, what the severity of the crime is. Is shooting at a fleeing felon as bad as drinking and driving or worse?

 

[QueBert]

Well, shooting at a fleeing suspect is highly discouraged unless the suspect is a felon who one reasonably suspects will be a danger to others if allowed to escape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

But Brown *possibly* had stolen a $4 pack of cigars, and he lightly pushed the store clerk who had put hands on him 1st out of the way. If the cop hadn't shot him, Brown could have went on to lightly push others!

 

[Oldgamer]

But Brown *possibly* had stolen a $4 pack of cigars, and he lightly pushed the store clerk who had put hands on him 1st out of the way. If the cop hadn't shot him, Brown could have went on to lightly push others!

Brown if alive could have had the right to defend himself and explain his actions instead of so many right wing nuts trying to make assumptions and paint him out to be some thug. Which btw he had no criminal record.. nada zip zilch!

 

[Catriona]

Are they finding and sourcing pictures to help support this or lend credence that info?

This article mentions 12 shell casings "all from police weapons".

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/report-alleged-new-audio-of-michael-brown-shooting/

 

[Londo_Jowo]

12 shell casings would be in line with the shot recording plus the one fired in the truck. This also goes a long way in disproving Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw, and Tiffany Mitchell statements concerning what transpired. It would better line up with the unknowingly record witness' statement.

 

[Catriona]

12 shell casings would be in line with the shot recording plus the one fired in the truck. This also goes a long way in disproving Dorian Johnson, Piaget Crenshaw, and Tiffany Mitchell statements concerning what transpired. It would better line up with the unknowingly record witness' statement.

I never said otherwise. Although I will say again that I'm glad that the either 4 or 6 shots out of the 12 that didn't hit Brown, didn't kill someone else.

So you are acknowledging that the shot recording is credible?

 

[Attic]

What am I missing. 12 shell casings would indicate two shots fired from patrol vehicle right? One hits brown, one ends up in the outer wall of apartment building. Plus 10 shots from recording.

10 shots from recording unlikely to fit bullet that hit the apartment.

Everything has been indicating gun went off once in patrol car though.

I'd imagine 1st autopsy is more definitive on if any shots hit brown from back or if all were to the front, still critical missing info. Crumps hands are all over how that 2nd autopsy came out. So the 2nd autopsy was presented as favorable as it possibly could for crump to keep building steam on this and we got maybe one bullet to brown from back if brown lined up right.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I never said otherwise. Although I will say again that I'm glad that the either 4 or 6 shots out of the 12 that didn't hit Brown, didn't kill someone else.

So you are acknowledging that the shot recording is credible?

I never said you said anything, you need to stop reading things into others posts.

It's possible that the recording is valid, specially with hearing the one witness talking about MB coming at the cop, him firing 4 shots, MB continues coming at the cop and he shot 4 more times which killed MB.