I have no idea where the 12 shots went. What are the chances we'll see the results of the first autopsy? And what does it mean if there were shots to the back, then shots to the front?
What am I missing. 12 shell casings would indicate two shots fired from patrol vehicle right? One hits brown, one ends up in the outer wall of apartment building. Plus 10 shots from recording.
10 shots from recording unlikely to fit bullet that hit the apartment.
Everything has been indicating gun went off once in patrol car though.
I'd imagine 1st autopsy is more definitive on if any shots hit brown from back or if all were to the front, still critical missing info. Crumps hands are all over how that 2nd autopsy came out. So the 2nd autopsy was presented as favorable as it possibly could for crump to keep building steam on this and we got maybe one bullet to brown from back if brown lined up right.
This article mentions 12 shell casings "all from police weapons".
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/report-alleged-new-audio-of-michael-brown-shooting/
Lopa Blumenthal is an attorney for the man who made the recording.
“At the time, he didn’t really realize the importance of what he was hearing until afterwards,” she says.
I've got to ask. Why does the guy who made the recording need an attorney?
I'd guess an uphill battle for Wilson, as it's going to be harder to sell a jury on the idea that a fleeing suspect was hit and then decided to turn around and charge. But it's not definitive either way.I have no idea where the 12 shots went. What are the chances we'll see the results of the first autopsy? And what does it mean if there were shots to the back, then shots to the front?
I have no idea where the 12 shots went. What are the chances we'll see the results of the first autopsy? And what does it mean if there were shots to the back, then shots to the front?
I'd guess an uphill battle for Wilson, as it's going to be harder to sell a jury on the idea that a fleeing suspect was hit and then decided to turn around and charge. But it's not definitive either way.
If Wilson really has a broken orbital socket he may be okay, as that tends to support the idea that Brown was a danger to Wilson and therefore to the public. Otherwise seems difficult to me to establish that Brown went after his gun as opposed to simply trying to not be shot. Here Brown's size and strength work against Wilson as it's difficult to see how this very large young man is the aggressor, on his feet, and can do no more damage to Wilson than some swelling. If Wilson has the initiative, it's easier to explain Brown being unable to stop the gun before it is aimed in his direction due to the element of surprise and reaction time, at which point he grabs at the gun to push it away and avoid being shot. Assuming Wilson's intent was to arrest Brown rather than shoot him - a reasonable assumption given that Wilson has been a cop for some time without shooting any young black men - then he's going to interpret that as Brown going for his gun when in fact Brown was reacting to a gun suddenly being pointed at him. Question then becomes will a jury buy the argument that a young man who abruptly faces a gun at point blank range and tries to deflect it away is going for the gun. Complicating that will be laws and policies regarding shooting a fleeing suspect. If Wilson is not allowed to shoot at a fleeing suspect unless he's an immediate danger, then he's screwed - if Brown tried to get Wilson's gun, stands to reason that Brown did not already have a gun, and therefore firing twelve shots at him endangers the public more than Brown could reasonably be expected to endanger the public.
All just speculation, of course.
Corroborates DJ story further. Other issue with DJ still to me is claim that Wilson pulls Brown into the vehicle. Wilson has no idea if Brown armed or not, knows Brown is likely from the strong arm robbery. This would be wildly dangerous and unlikely IMO. Something caused Wilson to reverse back towards DJ and MB, most likely the call that match the two to the robbery.
Dorian account
Vs this account
Josie version of events
Josie account makes most sense at this time. Matches witness 6. Cones near browns body I think are likely casings. Would put brown near Wilson when shots fired. Original eyewitnesses
I'd guess an uphill battle for Wilson, as it's going to be harder to sell a jury on the idea that a fleeing suspect was hit and then decided to turn around and charge. But it's not definitive either way.
If Wilson really has a broken orbital socket he may be okay, as that tends to support the idea that Brown was a danger to Wilson and therefore to the public. Otherwise seems difficult to me to establish that Brown went after his gun as opposed to simply trying to not be shot. Here Brown's size and strength work against Wilson as it's difficult to see how this very large young man is the aggressor, on his feet, and can do no more damage to Wilson than some swelling. If Wilson has the initiative, it's easier to explain Brown being unable to stop the gun before it is aimed in his direction due to the element of surprise and reaction time, at which point he grabs at the gun to push it away and avoid being shot. Assuming Wilson's intent was to arrest Brown rather than shoot him - a reasonable assumption given that Wilson has been a cop for some time without shooting any young black men - then he's going to interpret that as Brown going for his gun when in fact Brown was reacting to a gun suddenly being pointed at him. Question then becomes will a jury buy the argument that a young man who abruptly faces a gun at point blank range and tries to deflect it away is going for the gun. Complicating that will be laws and policies regarding shooting a fleeing suspect. If Wilson is not allowed to shoot at a fleeing suspect unless he's an immediate danger, then he's screwed - if Brown tried to get Wilson's gun, stands to reason that Brown did not already have a gun, and therefore firing twelve shots at him endangers the public more than Brown could reasonably be expected to endanger the public.
All just speculation, of course.
According to his Captain's statement, Wilson wasn't aware of the convenient mart incident at the time of the incident with Brown. Josie...is a mouthpiece. Maybe of the truth, maybe not. But she wasn't there, regardless. If Wilson wants his version told, he will likely have that opportunity. But Josie shouldn't speak for him.
Re listen to the accounts of Dorian and Josie I linked above. What caused Wilson to reverse towards Johnson and brown in both accounts after he drives away? Seems likely the call came in after the initial confrontation, then wilson backed up for 2nd interaction that led to the violence. At this point everybody knows what's up with the robbery IMO, unless we are to believe wilson backs up knowing nothing and then grabs brown by neck and tries to draw him into vehicle (or brown charges vehicle door) just because.
Thanks, and back at you. And agreed.I've told you before that I really appreciate your posts. This is no exception. I can't improve upon your analysis.
The thing that concerns me most, after reading about the 12 shell casings and hearing the audio clip of the shots, is whether or not Wilson freaked out after the incident at the car, and overreacted. Understandable, if that happened. Even good cops can freak out. Especially if they're injured, no matter the degree.
Some excellent points, if the audio recording holds up. Not completely definitive, of course, but as speculation, solid.If Brown is charging Wilson during the 10 shots it is open and shut. Still not sure on this, but Josie (Wilson's account) and witness 6 indicate a charging brown on a duration longer than either of the one two bursts of gun fire we hear on audio. So Possible the gun shots were all while Brown charged and was facing Wilson.
I think Dorian is likely misremembering about car encounter as well as what transpired when Brown turned around to face Wilson. Wilson fires that many bullets into Arms that are in the air instead of online with center mass?, then moves to the head? Also think about those two volleys. 6 first, then 4, but they all line up on same side of brown, I think this indicates brown facing same way for both volleys rather than Wilson seeming to keep same vertical line of shots after browns body does a 180 to him.
Beyond that, The second burst of gun fire was short enough that we'd have no chance for a charging brown if first volley=fleeing brown and second volley=brown turned around. But this scenario seems unlikely unless Wilson is monster and as soon as brown turns around wilson shoots him dead almost immediately. The 2 volleys totaling 10 shots IMO default to Brown facing a wilson the whole time unless definitely proven otherwise by physical evidence.
Or because Brown was an asshole who mouthed off at Wilson and tried to use his size to intimidate. I can see that. But is that a shooting offense?
I still have way more questions than answers.
And Wilson's Captain is on record that Wilson didn't know about the convenient mart incident at the time of the shooting.
The whole grab the throat thing, from the window of his car. I don't think it's physically possible unless Brown was leaning down toward the window.
Just hear from the local news tonight that there are some lawsuits for $40 million USD because of "civil right" violation against the local and county PD.
Where are the lawsuits for "civil right" violation from the small business owners against the looters and rioters? Fair is fair, right?
Is it possible for you to explain which civil right was violated by a looter? Or like just about everything, are you not capable of explaining this and only repeating things like a parrot?
Just hear from the local news tonight that there are some lawsuits for $40 million USD because of "civil right" violation against the local and county PD.
Where are the lawsuits for "civil right" violation from the small business owners against the looters and rioters? Fair is fair, right?
Look up on my previous post, I already explained the same question from HomerJS a few days ago. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
No, I'm not digging through pages of your meaningless garbage.
Then I am not going to repeat what I said already. There is a a thing called "search" on this forum. If you use your brain more often instead of throwing around insults, you would be able to find it. You were the one that quoted me, I did not quote you.
Speaking of meaningless garbage, you need to look at at hard look at yourself and your own history of posting in this forum before you accuse others.
I thought that as well, but if as Vic says he was driving an SUV it becomes reasonably practical with a bit of a lunge. Seems like a strange thing to do, but there's strange all over this case.The whole grab the throat thing, from the window of his car. I don't think it's physically possible unless Brown was leaning down toward the window.
Looting in Ferguson = because nothing says you care about a dead kid and the community than stealing 50 pairs of Air Jordans and then burning the store (in which the store owner(s) had nothing to do with the death of said kid) to the ground!
LOL @ this meme on the net:
In the meanwhile, the black community ignores senseless black on black violent like this = http://www.ksla.com/story/26385283/...ult-in-death-of-fellow-student?autostart=true