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Svnla

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Why do you promote this lie?

Tell you what. Why don't you provide us a few stories/articles from well know sources that have the black community down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown when the victims and perpertrators were blacks.

For example, give me a few stories about these shootings. Show me stories/articles of the widespread outrage, matching, screaming, hollering, and demand "justice" for these victims = http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins-214275491.html

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?

Get set, ready? Go!!!!

You were saying something about lie?
 
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Tell you what. Why don't you provide us a few stories/articles from well know sources that have the black community down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown when the victims and perpertrators were blacks.

For example, give me a few stories about these shootings. Show me stories/articles of the widespread outrage, matching, screaming, hollering, and demand "justice" for these victims = http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins-214275491.html

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?

Get set, ready? Go!!!!

You were saying something about lie?

This is why I treat your posts like I'm talking to stupid child with a head injury.
 

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Tell you what. Why don't you provide us a few stories/articles from well know sources that have the black community down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown when the victims and perpertrators were blacks.

For example, give me a few stories about these shootings. Show me stories/articles of the widespread outrage, matching, screaming, hollering, and demand "justice" for these victims = http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins-214275491.html

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?

Get set, ready? Go!!!!

You were saying something about lie?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/30/albuquerque-police-protests/7094819/

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Riot police fired tear gas Sunday as they clashed with protesters, the latest in a series of violent confrontations between officers and residents that include 37 police shootings since 2010.

Protesters took to the streets Sunday afternoon over what some see as persistent police brutality. Albuquerque police have killed 23 people in less than five years, prompting an investigation by the federal Department of Justice. And the FBI is investigating a March 16 fatal shooting of a homeless man in the city of about 555,000. Federal officials say residents worry the police department is abusing its authority and violating residents' civil rights.

"People are concerned, and people want answers. That's why the FBI and the Department of Justice are involved," said Frank Fisher, a spokesman for the FBI's Albuquerque office. "We want to give them answers."

Fisher said the dual investigations are focusing on whether police officers exceeded their authority in the shootings, what's known as "color of law" abuses.

Protester Alexander Siderits, 23, said he was participating because he was "fed up" with how police treat citizens. "It has reached a boiling point, and people just can't take it anymore," he said.

The protest grew violent as night fell. Video aired by KQRE News 13 showed mounted police clashing with protesters, and numerous people being detained by officers after people refused to clear the streets when ordered. Five men and one woman were booked into the local jail on disorderly conduct charges late Sunday and early Monday, jail records show. It was immediately unclear whether any of those arrests were made in connection with the riot, although they were all taken into custody near where it occurred in the Nob Hill section of the city.

Mayor Richard Berry, who said the protests started peacefully then turned to "mayhem," reported one police officer was injured, and at one point protesters trapped police in a vehicle and tried to break the windows, the Albuquerque Journal reported.

The gathering came days after a YouTube video emerged threatening retaliation for a recent deadly police shooting.

The video, which bore the logo of the computer hacking collective Anonymous, warned of a cyberattack on city websites and called for the protest march. Albuquerque police said their site had been breached Sunday afternoon, and police spokesman Simon Drobik confirmed the disruption was due to a cyberattack.

In the shooting on March 16 that led to the YouTube posting, a homeless man was killed on the east side of Albuquerque. The shooting was captured on video and followed a long standoff.

The FBI is investigating that shooting, which outraged the community, said ACLU of New Mexico executive director Peter Simonson. The ACLU was one of the first organizations to call for a federal investigation into Albuquerque police. Simonson said Albuquerque residents believe police operate under a "deeply rooted culture of the ability to use force with impunity."

He added: "Over and over, what we've seen, people who are mentally ill, when they are confronted by the APD, they end up dead," Simonson said. "There is a sense in the community that APD is out of control and there is no city leadership willing to step in and take responsibility."

Last week, Albuquerque police fatally shot a man at a public housing complex. Authorities said he shot at officers before they returned fire.

Multiple messages left with city officials went unreturned Monday, and the police department's Facebook and Twitter pages appeared to have been taken down.

Contributing: The Associated Press

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/thomas-597950-kelly-police.html

FULLERTON – At least 13 people were arrested Saturday during a protest that attracted about 200 people upset by last week’s acquittal of two former Fullerton police officers accused of fatally beating a local homeless man.

On Jan. 13, a jury found former Fullerton police officer Manual Ramos, 39, not guilty of second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter, and former police officer Jay Cicinelli, 41, not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and assault under color of authority in the 2011 death of transient Kelly Thomas.

The violent confrontation was caught on videotape and sparked public outrage.

The demonstration – which had about 200 participants at its peak - started around 10 a.m. in front of the Fullerton Police Department and continued into the evening.

“Wake up, people, wake up,” one man chanted from a megaphone.

Kelly Thomas’ father spoke at the rally in support of the protesters and in support of justice for his son.

“When we got that verdict, it was as if Kelly was just killed again by the jury,” Ron Thomas said. “Today is just an awareness gathering. We’re going to raise some hell when all the evidence comes out.”

People filled the sidewalks, the intersection and sat on the grass in front of the police department. Traffic was nearly at a standstill at West Commonwealth and Highland avenues, but cars trickled through – many honking in support. At one point, a big-rig rolled through, blaring its horn.

A man in a suit and a mask made popular in the movie “V for Vendetta” walked through the intersection with a sign “Justice for Kelly Thomas.”

Kathy Thomas, Kelly Thomas’ mother, was also in attendance, as was his sister, Christina Kinser.

“I appreciate you guys being out here and fight with us,” Kinser said. “I will appreciate you guys more than you will ever know. Thank you so much for being with us here today.”

Some of the protestors handed out flyers demanding the immediate resignation of the Fullerton chief of police and the payout of no less than $5 million to Kelly Thomas’ survivors.

“I’m not a ‘go out and protest’ kind of guy,” Derek Zender, 21, said. “I go to school here. I remember when Kelly Thomas was murdered…I wouldn’t have felt good just sitting at home.”

Jerry Thaxton, 73, lost his son Michael Nida in an officer-involved-shooting. His family organized the protest, along with others, to support other families facing police brutality, he said.

Downey police shot Nida, who was unarmed, in October 2011. The officer who shot Nida was found to have acted lawfully and did not face criminal charges, according to the Los Angeles Times.
 

Svnla

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This is why I treat your posts like I'm talking to stupid child with a head injury.

Ahh, no link, no source, no story, nothing but insults from you. Who is the stupid child again?



Hummm, read my previous post (#3026) again, what were the requirements? I even bolded and highlighted the important parts. At least you are trying and acting like a grow up, unlike the idiot I just quoted above, nothing but name calling and insults.
 
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Tell you what. Why don't you provide us a few stories/articles from well know sources that have the black community down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown when the victims and perpertrators were blacks.

For example, give me a few stories about these shootings. Show me stories/articles of the widespread outrage, matching, screaming, hollering, and demand "justice" for these victims = http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins-214275491.html

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?

Get set, ready? Go!!!!

You were saying something about lie?

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...eople-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/
 

Svnla

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Nice try but you forgot these very important parts in the same post :

...down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown.....

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?


Still nothing about all of the massive shootings in Chicago as I mentioned above? No? Nothing? Nada? Zip?
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4-wlDI6hg18

Youtube video of DJ interviewed by Sharpton on MSNBC. From 8 minute mark on specific to Dorian's account vs volley of shots from audio.

"officer shot once more" in reference to before Dorian claims Brown turned around. Nothing about multiple shots in this interview before Brown turns around, specifically Dorian says, "as he (wilson) got closer he fired 1 more shot". This clearly in reference to after car incident.

Does anyone hear "1 more shot" in the audio of the firing?

Where does Dorian get a distinction of "1 more" if audio is legit, unless Dorian is misremembering or creating a narrative of events here.

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To me it's somewhat clear the guy is making stuff up or at the very least is not close to remembering what actually occurred when he recounts it.

His story is also changing at key moments specifically what happened when mike brown turned around. First it was that mike brown was trying to say "i'm unarmed, stop shooting" then with Sharpton it's:

Referencing what Brown said,
"started to tell the officer that he was unarmed and he was not"

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Dorian is not repeating what Brown said, Dorian is recouting what Dorian's narrative says, think about that for awhile... why not just say the friggen words verbatim of what Brown said? This is what Brown said, "xxx". Same through every interview or not? No it's not. Why? What Brown said (if Brown said anyting) doesn't change, so why not remember what Brown said if Brown said something?

Given how detailed Dorian was about stating the verbatim nature of what Wilson said (20 Sec Mark) when Wilson asked the 2 to "get the F out of the road", the two recounts of what other people said (Wilson and Brown) during this encounter have a different nature when Dorian recounts each of them.

IMO, kid is making stuff up where required to fit a narrative of his.

I think it's likely Dorian is misremembering quite a bit of this entire ordeal.
 
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Nice try but you forgot these very important parts in the same post :




Still nothing about all of the massive shootings in Chicago as I mentioned above? No? Nothing? Nada? Zip?

That's what I figured. You're not actually interested in the truth.
 

HumblePie

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By definition civil rights are the rights civilians have that government or private organizations cannot infringe on. Perhaps the question is, is it technically civil rights violations when an ordinary individual civilian infringes on another?

The answer to that question should be in the court system somewhere, say is it a civil rights violation against black business owners if a white person only shops at white-owned businesses?

Anyone can "infringe" on another's civil rights. It doesn't have to be a government entity. This is why Eric Holder was originally looking to try to charge Zimmerman with anything including infringing upon Trayvon's civil rights. Eric Holder couldn't do it because it didn't happen. But I am sure he looked according to his own statements.

When bus drivers told blacks to ride at the back of the bus, they were infringing upon their civil rights. Civil rights are rights granted by a government by are supposed to be respected by all members of society that is governed by that government. Any element that doesn't respect those inherent rights are technically infringing upon the civil rights of another.

Just an fyi.
 

QueBert

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Tell you what. Why don't you provide us a few stories/articles from well know sources that have the black community down on the street and demand "justice" as loud and as long as they did with Trayvon and Mike Brown when the victims and perpertrators were blacks.

For example, give me a few stories about these shootings. Show me stories/articles of the widespread outrage, matching, screaming, hollering, and demand "justice" for these victims = http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins-214275491.html

Show me the massive number of signs and loud scream of "No Justice, No Peace", would you?

Get set, ready? Go!!!!

You were saying something about lie?

Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Organizations like Dream Defenders & Advancement Project are dedicated to this. When you watch the news you don't see stories on black on black crime, because it doesn't generate any interest. The same with organizations that are out every single day combating black on black crime. We can't show you any stories or articles because the media doesn't have any interest in showing that side of shit. Are these organizations as intense as the group for Mike Brown? Of course not, but the people protesting here will be over it and back in their homes doing jack shit after a few days with zero intensity about the matter. Where members of Dream Defenders will be out there every day, and not just when it's a media hot topic story like Mike Brown. In the end there's far more action being taken towards black on black crime, period. And trust me the numbers far far far out weigh the few hundred who are in Furgerson protesting this latest shooting. I can't show you CNN stories or articles in the NY or LA Times, but you can go to their web site and read up on them. Maybe one day the media will care enough to shine some light on an organization that's dedicated to black on black crime, but it's doubtful...

http://dreamdefenders.org/
http://www.advancementproject.org/
 
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Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Organizations like Dream Defenders & Advancement Project are dedicated to this. When you watch the news you don't see stories on black on black crime, because it doesn't generate any interest. The same with black organizations that are out every single day combating black on black crime. We can't show you any stories or articles because the media doesn't have any interest in showing that side of shit. Are these organizations as intense as the group for Mike Brown? Of course not, but the people protesting here will be over it and back in their homes doing jack shit after a few days with zero intensity about the matter. Where members of Dream Defenders will be out there every day, and not just when it's a media hot topic story like Mike Brown. In the end there's far more action being taken towards black on black crime, period. And trust me the numbers far far far out weigh the few hundred who are in Furgerson protesting this latest shooting.


You're wasting your time.

He's not interested in actual reality because it doesn't match his prejudices.
 

QueBert

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You're wasting your time.

He's not interested in actual reality because it doesn't match his prejudices.

I don't expect him to click on the links I put up, or read, or care, or even believe a single word I said. But there are people here who might be on the fence, so maybe my links can help educate them and expose them to what CNN never will. Yeah he's too far gone for any chance of saving, but others aren't.
 
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I don't expect him to click on the links I put up, or read, or care, or even believe a single word I said. But there are people here who might be on the fence, so maybe my links can help educate them and expose them to what CNN never will. Yeah he's too far gone for any chance of saving, but others aren't.

Fair enough. That's a good reason.
 

Svnla

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Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Organizations like Dream Defenders & Advancement Project are dedicated to this. When you watch the news you don't see stories on black on black crime, because it doesn't generate any interest. The same with organizations that are out every single day combating black on black crime. We can't show you any stories or articles because the media doesn't have any interest in showing that side of shit. Are these organizations as intense as the group for Mike Brown? Of course not, but the people protesting here will be over it and back in their homes doing jack shit after a few days with zero intensity about the matter. Where members of Dream Defenders will be out there every day, and not just when it's a media hot topic story like Mike Brown. In the end there's far more action being taken towards black on black crime, period. And trust me the numbers far far far out weigh the few hundred who are in Furgerson protesting this latest shooting. I can't show you CNN stories or articles in the NY or LA Times, but you can go to their web site and read up on them. Maybe one day the media will care enough to shine some light on an organization that's dedicated to black on black crime, but it's doubtful...

http://dreamdefenders.org/
http://www.advancementproject.org/

How about BET? Nothing? Well, they (Dream Defenders or whoever) need to do something with the daily killing of blacks by other blacks. Last time I checked, blacks are being murdered/killed by overwhelmingly by other blacks (especially young males - both as victims and perps), not by some racist whiteys.

You're wasting your time.

He's not interested in actual reality because it doesn't match his prejudices.

Stating facts and the truth (the link I provided was from the local NBC station in Chicago) are not prejudices. That's real life because real life is not pretty and all rainbow and such. You said you don't play games? Then provide me what I asked, not something else similar or do not bother quote me and I will do the same to you.
 
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How about BET? Nothing? Well, they (Dream Defenders or whoever) need to do something with the daily killing of blacks by other blacks.

BET's owned by white people, it might have black in the name, but they haven't done anything positive for black people since Viacom bought them. Now back when Bob Johnson was the owner, they had people like Tavis Smiley & Cornell West on air and would talk about groups like Dream Defenders. BET use to care about shit like black on black crime, now a white company owns it and they care about sista twerkin and mindless gangsta rap.

And if you actually read up on Dream Defenders that's what they do EVERY SINGLE DAY, they dedicate their lifes to helping. It's not people who jump on shit when it's the # of the week trending topic. You clearly know nothing here, yet you speak like an expert. Try Googling them, watch some Youtube videos, do some actual fucking research then come back and post that bullshit in bold again. I know you didn't even look them up because you posted your reply literally 3 minutes after I posted mine. I can't say I'm surprised, if anything it's what I expected you'd do. You see I don't rely on the media to educate myself, I don't depend on them for my facts and where I get my information from. CNN's entertainment to me, it's like TMZ for world topics. I have real world experience here, where you have prejudices and base most of what you say off those.
 
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BET's owned by white people, it might have black in the name, but they haven't done anything positive for black people since Viacom bought them. Now back when Bob Johnson was the owner, they had people like Tavis Smiley & Cornell West on air and would talk about groups like Dream Defenders. BET use to care about shit like black on black crime, now a white company owns it and they care about sista twerkin and mindless gangsta rap.

And if you actually read up on Dream Defenders that's what they do EVERY SINGLE DAY, they dedicate their lifes to helping. It's not people who jump on shit when it's the # of the week trending topic. You clearly know nothing here, yet you speak like an expert. Try Googling them, watch some Youtube videos, do some actual fucking research then come back and post that bullshit in bold again. I know you didn't even look them up because you posted your reply literally 3 minutes after I posted mine. I can't say I'm surprised, if anything it's what I expected you'd do. You see I don't rely on the media to educate myself, I don't depend on them for my facts and where I get my information from. CNN's entertainment to me, it's like TMZ for world topics. I have real world experience here, where you have prejudices and base most of what you say off those.

What you provided is just a small bucket compare to other things that are going on daily in the black community. Stop blaming on CNN or the media or this or that. Own up to your own mess and stop all the blame. Don't like CNN? Sure, give me NBC or WSJ or anything that is well know and reputable, not some blogs. How about international news outlets such as The Economist? Financial Times? The Guardian?

How about this. PBS = http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/interrupters/ How do you like my fucking research now?

Did Bill Cosby said something similar? Oh, he spoke of the truth = must be a racist bastard with prejudice, eh? (that's for V. Gray)

"If you are born poor it's not your fault, But if you die poor it's your fault." Who said that? Evil racist bastard? Nope, Bill Gates.
 
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What you provided is just a small bucket compare to other things that are going on daily in the black community. Stop blaming on CNN or the media or this or that. Own up to your own mess and stop all the blame.

Did Bill Cosby said something similar? Oh, he must be a racist bastard with prejudice, eh? (that's for V. Gray)

Small bucket? I see you didn't do any research, do you know how many members Dream Defenders have nation wide? And that's just one of many organizations. The answer's no, because it would take hours to investigate and come to a conclusion. And if you spend 3 hours reading up, you wouldn't have said what you did. I know all I need to know here, if you want to learn something, which I know you don't. I planted the seed, which is all I can do here. You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water...

And please point me to a single story where Mr. Cosby spoke negatively about groups that combat black on black crime? Dunno WTF you're even saying there.
 
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Small bucket? I see you didn't do any research, do you know how many members Dream Defenders have nation wide? And that's just one of many organizations. The answer's no, because it would take hours to investigate and come to a conclusion. And if you spend 3 hours reading up, you wouldn't have said what you did. I know all I need to know here, if you want to learn something, which I know you don't. I planted the seed, which is all I can do here. You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water...

And please point me to a single story where Mr. Cosby spoke negatively about groups that combat black on black crime? Dunno WTF you're even saying there.

Cosby said similar things as I did, such as clean up after yourself, take care of your own, and not blame on others for your own self inflicted wounds.

Oh, how do you like my fucking research? PBS had a long story about the crime and killings in Chicago (see the link above). They must be racist with full of prejudices per V. Gray.
 
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Cosby said similar things as I did, such as clean up after yourself, take care of your own, and not blame on others for your own self inflicted wounds.

Oh, how do you like my fucking research? PBS had a long story about the crime and killings in Chicago (see the link above). They must be racist with full of prejudices per V. Gray.

Did PBS mention a single group I did? If they didn't, it's either racism or lack of research. I'd hate to accuse PBS of either, but thr 2 groups I mentioned have membership in the tens of thousands. So I don't see how they not mention them was an oversight. Apparently the PBS special was shit if they presented it with such bias. You read 1 story from 1 source and obviously that was enough to enlighten you to a level where you comfortably know exactly what the fuck you're talking about. All I've done is date a member of the group and spend time helping her and them. My bad for questioning you here, you clearly know more than I do, after this post I'll leave this thread with my tail tucked between my leg. Please accept my apology, I will never doubt you again sir.

As for Mr Cosby, yes he speaks out on black on black crime, but he's never said anything bad towards groups that fight it. He has a problem with people who whine, but don't do anything about it to try to make it better. So he's not speaking to or about the groups I'm mentioning because that's not how they operate.
 
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Did PBS mention a single group I did? If they didn't, it's either racism or lack of research. I'd hate to accuse PBS of either, but thr 2 groups I mentioned have membership in the tens of thousands. So I don't see how they not mention them was an oversight. Apparently the PBS special was shit if they presented it with such bias. You read 1 story from 1 source and obviously that was enough to enlighten you to a level where you comfortably know exactly what the fuck you're talking about. All I've done is date a member of the group and spend time helping her and them. My bad for questioning you here, you clearly know more than I do, after this post I'll leave this thread with my tail tucked between my leg. Please accept my apology, I will never doubt you again sir.

As for Mr Cosby, yes he speaks out on black on black crime, but he's never said anything bad towards groups that fight it. He has a problem with people who whine, but don't do anything about it to try to make it better. So he's not speaking to or about the groups I'm mentioning because that's not how they operate.

1 story from 1 source? Are you fucking for real? This is "JUST" from Chicago, I haven't include Detroit, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis, etc.

1. PBS link above.
2. NBC local news link above.
3. LA Times = http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-chicago-shot-weekend-violence-20140707-story.html
4. CBS News = http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-82-shot-14-killed-in-chicago-4th-of-july-weekend-shootings/
5. Chicago Tribune = http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crime/shootings/020010001165-topic.html
6. MSNBC = http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/holiday-gunfire-sets-chicago-ablaze
7. ABC News = http://abcnews.go.com/US/violence-m...ekend-50-reportedly-injured/story?id=24446308
8. Huff = http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/07/chicago-shootings-july-4-weekend_n_5562445.html

9. This is just a few days ago from the local CBS station = http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/08/25/5-dead-42-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/


Do you want me to go on? Fucking unbelievable. They (well know news sources) must all be racists/bias/<fill in the blank excuses>, right?

I NEVER said Cosby ever badmouthed anyone who tried to help. Get your story straight.
 
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