Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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zephyrprime

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I think the grand jury came to the right verdict. The evidence generally supported Wilson. A lot of the contrary witness testimony was unreliable. There is no reason to riot. However, the black community in the US automatically assumes racism here. I've dealt with the cops and know that they are very unhelpful even if you yourself are the victim in the case. However, the prosecutor's case is just flimsy given the evidence.
 

Blanky

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However, the general violence that followed signifies a wide spread discontentment w/ the treatments of the communities by the police. This is probably the larger issues. Statistically speaking, blacks tends to get more arrests, longer jail time for the same crimes. This is the overall issue they need to address.
And much of this is because blacks are more likely to commit crimes. The idea that they are more likely to be arrested because of a systemic racism is only part of the picture. The entire truth of the matter is they are more likely to be arrested/charged in part because they are black and in part because they do commit more crimes. Some matters are subjective, but homicide statistics aren't terribly, so that's the one I'll use: young black men are involved in a wildly disproportionate number of homicides per capita, and it is silly to think homicide is the only crime they are more likely to commit. FBI stats make all of this clear.
The exact details of both cases isn't as important, since everything happened so quickly
These things always happen quickly. And the facts obviously don't matter to race pimps, but for the rest of us they matter a great deal.

the truth is probably unknowable to even the grand jury and the person who is dead can't really defend themselves in court and give their version of the story.
I think you're being overly kind and I'm not sure why. There is enough evidence to point to a pretty strong affirmation of Wilson's account. No, it's not 100% knowable--few things are.
Overall, the freeing of both zimmerman and wilson says nothing about other person been guilty, because that's not what the trials about. And also I would say the lack of evidence to convict isn't the same as completely free of wrong doing. There's a huge difference there.
In this case not only was wilson not found guilty, but a grand jury didn't even find enough evidence to warrant a trial, so practically speaking he's about as guilty as I am of mass murder, because in neither case has a grand jury indicted us.
 

bshole

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A real problem in Ferguson is that the black populace there is sick and tired of being policed by white officers. It would be interesting to see what would happen if 50% of the police force was summarily terminated and replaced with black police officers.
 
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In relation to the people protesting over a deadbeat issue proven wrong time and time again by a Grand Jury, where they made sure that OVER HALF of the Grand Jury was black just in an attempt to try to appease you fools...

Yet all we come out with regardless is...

 

cubby1223

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The sad truth probably is, Ferguson is already a forgotten memory in the minds of the baiters, they have moved on and are seeking their next example to highlight to the nation & to the world that blacks are being hunted for sport in this country.

People are pushing their messages all over the media today, we need to sit down and have a serious conversation on race issues in this country. How? I can imagine just such a conversation:

activist: "Hi, I believe in a false reality. How are you going to change your behaviors to make me feel better?"
me: "ummm.... hmmm... ahhh... ermmm... I don't know, what is it exactly you want?"
activist: "I want you to stop being racist."
me: "ummm... hmmm... ahhh... ermmm... What did I do that was racist?"
activist: "Your race is hunting my race."
me: "ummm... no. My 'race' doesn't act as a uniform group, my 'race' is a collection of independent individuals who act according to their own self-interests, not the interests of the 'race' as a whole."
...
and so forth
 

cubby1223

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A real problem in Ferguson is that the black populace there is sick and tired of being policed by white officers. It would be interesting to see what would happen if 50% of the police force was summarily terminated and replaced with black police officers.

They would be angry over black officers betraying them serving the white man?

I don't know, that's just how it seems. I don't see any solution. The gap in perceptions between the two sides of this issue is too wide.
 

bshole

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In relation to the people protesting over a deadbeat issue proven wrong time and time again by a Grand Jury, where they made sure that OVER HALF of the Grand Jury was black just in an attempt to try to appease you fools...

Yet all we come out with regardless is...



Um ..... no.... a total of 3.
 

cubby1223

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It's being reported now that Wilson was informed of the robbery and had a description of the subject prior to their encounter, and Wilson did see cigars in Brown's hands in the street.

There goes another source of anger that many, many people in this forum were making as the cornerstone of their beliefs.
 
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In relation to the people protesting over a deadbeat issue proven wrong time and time again by a Grand Jury, where they made sure that OVER HALF of the Grand Jury was black just in an attempt to try to appease you fools...

Yet all we come out with regardless is...

Half black? No. And the GJ was selected and sitting prior to this whole thing beginning. The make up of the GJ had nothing at all to do with this case.
 

marincounty

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I see two problems here. An out of touch racist police force, and a bunch of young black thugs who don't think they need to follow the law.
Some media talking head commented that Mr. Brown didn't need to die for some cigars.
Exactly, had he not strong-armed robbed the store, he could have avoided the entire confrontation with the cop. Then he was walking down the middle of the street, where the actual confrontation took place.
This kid was not headed to college, he was headed to a penitentiary. It's unfortunate he had to die like this, but he caused the whole sorry episode.
Darren Wilson was a good cop, no complaints against him. This kid did something so extreme he caused this cop to lose his mind and start shooting, that was trying to take the cop's gun.
In my life, I have always tried to avoid cops, because they are carrying a gun (and they are usually dicks). I would certainly never try and attack a cop without my own gun, to do otherwise is a suicide mission.
Michael Brown had told people he was going to do something big with his life, this was it.
He died a martyr to the black community, and yes it was big. It is sad that young black men's lives are so shitty that they are willing to throw them away like this.
 

shortylickens

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At this point I think the area should be left as is and zoned a historical site in tribute to the mob and state assistance given to help businesses relocate elsewhere. Let Ferguson be a monument to madness.

I hope the insurance takes care of all those business owners. And I hope every single one of them leaves town.

Let Fergusons residents drive 10 miles for gasoline and 20 miles for groceries.

They need to learn they cant just do whatever they feel like without consequences.
 

bshole

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No and they won't Statute prevents any discussing of grand jury deliberations and votes etc...

If the 3 black jury members voted for trial and the rest voted for no trial, this could get a WHOLE lot uglier.....
 
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Londo_Jowo

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Ok, we need to have white police patrolling white neighborhoods, Hispanic police patrolling Hispanic neighborhoods, Asian police patrolling Asian neighborhoods, and black police patrolling black neighborhoods. That seems to go against the principles of De-segregation that was so important in the 60's.
 

Matt1970

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I see two problems here. An out of touch racist police force, and a bunch of young black thugs who don't think they need to follow the law.
Some media talking head commented that Mr. Brown didn't need to die for some cigars.
Exactly, had he not strong-armed robbed the store, he could have avoided the entire confrontation with the cop. Then he was walking down the middle of the street, where the actual confrontation took place.
This kid was not headed to college, he was headed to a penitentiary. It's unfortunate he had to die like this, but he caused the whole sorry episode.
Darren Wilson was a good cop, no complaints against him. This kid did something so extreme he caused this cop to lose his mind and start shooting, that was trying to take the cop's gun.
In my life, I have always tried to avoid cops, because they are carrying a gun (and they are usually dicks). I would certainly never try and attack a cop without my own gun, to do otherwise is a suicide mission.Michael Brown had told people he was going to do something big with his life, this was it.
He died a martyr to the black community, and yes it was big. It is sad that young black men's lives are so shitty that they are willing to throw them away like this.

Why would you ever attack a cop in the first place?
 

FerrelGeek

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Justice was had, however that does not mean there should have been a trial to pronounce guilt or innocence. After reviewing some of the results of the GJ it seems that there was no basis for charges. That does not render the results of the encounter any less unfortunate nor do I celebrate the death of Brown, but it is what it is and there was no basis in reality for the thuggish (a word I seldom use) behavior of the mob and their bloodlust. No, they and their supporters have fallen far.

This
 

Angry Irishman

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A real problem in Ferguson is that the black populace there is sick and tired of being policed by white officers. It would be interesting to see what would happen if 50% of the police force was summarily terminated and replaced with black police officers.

Do the same at your place of employment.....that would be interesting as well.
 

JulesMaximus

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LMAO!!!! Funny how the same ole butthurt people from the Zimmerman trial are the same butthurt people over the "No bill" decision for this incident.

I think Zimmerman should have done time. This case is not the same. I have no problem with the acquittal of the cop in this case.
 

xBiffx

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Did they give the vote for the grand jury anywhere?

No, and you're never going to see it. It's against the law in Missouri to disclose that type of information regarding a grand jury. It's also a misdemeanor for those who participated to admit it.
 

senseamp

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I understand some people are there to loot and steal, those people will always be around. But if there are people being violent and damaging property as a political statement, it's counterproductive. It only serves to justify a tougher police in the eyes of other people, who may otherwise be sympathetic to the plight of African Americans wrt law enforcement abuse, and militarization of police in general. Nonviolence is the way to go.
 
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