Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Hayabusa Rider

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You people realize that Wilson's not completely in the clear yet, right?

That's right, Sharpton could get at him through Holder but considering cooperation between the Feds and local LEO I don't think that will happen based on the evidence.
 

xBiffx

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Fair enough, so..... all the cops who testified against OJ Simpson in the trial in which he was aquitted should have been prosecuted for lying under oath.

Agreed if they lied. Not sure why that's a surprise.

In every case in which a black defendant is found innocent, any WHITE cop who testified against the defendant should AUTOMATICALLY be prosecuted for perjury. Every single fucking case and every single fucking white cop. Should be interesting.....

Troll on.
 

GoPackGo

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I think Michael Browns family should have to pay for all of the damages these rioters are causing. The stirred this up hoping to get some of that Trayvon Martins Parents fat cash. Well their son was a punk who assaulted a police officer and got what was coming to him.
 

bshole

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That's right, Sharpton could get at him through Holder but considering cooperation between the Feds and local LEO I don't think that will happen based on the evidence.

The FEDs are HIGHLY HIGHLY motivated to get him, so they are going to do EVERYTHING in their power to nail him. He is nowhere near out of the woods.
 

The Merg

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Fair enough, so..... all the cops who testified against OJ Simpson in the trial in which he was aquitted should have been prosecuted for lying under oath.

In every case in which a black defendant is found innocent, any WHITE cop who testified against the defendant should AUTOMATICALLY be prosecuted for perjury. Every single fucking case and every single fucking white cop. Should be interesting.....


There's a difference in testifying truthfully, but evidence presented is not enough to obtain a conviction and testifying or giving statements multiple times and giving conflicting versions each time.

- Merg
 

The Merg

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The FEDs are HIGHLY HIGHLY motivated to get him, so they are going to do EVERYTHING in their power to nail him. He is nowhere near out of the woods.


They've already stated that there will be no civil rights violations filed. What else are they going to do?

- Merg
 

bshole

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There's a difference in testifying truthfully, but evidence presented is not enough to obtain a conviction and testifying or giving statements multiple times and giving conflicting versions each time.

- Merg


Ever heard of TESTILYING. Cops are notorious for lying under oath. They are BY A WIDE FUCKING COUNTRY MILE the most suspectible witness to lying under oath.
 

xBiffx

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You are the jackass proposing this kind of idiocy, not me. I just took it to it's braindead conclusion.

You are the jackass being a retard trying to go after innocent people. You are braindead...no need to take anything there.

Keep trollin.
 

Sunburn74

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Q:Where was Mike Brown's mammy @ teaching him to not steal,rob and attack the police?
Obviously she did not do that.
The state raises monsters y'all.

I think you miss the point. At the end of the day, this trial is about police power going unchecked. There has been a dramatic rise in police related shooting, despite crime and on the job police injuries/deaths falling (The number of police officers who died on the job in 2012 was 33, and that number continues to decline [for reference there is somewhere between 600,000 to 750,000 police officers in this country at any given time. For all the perception and freedoms associated with being a police officer that come from this potential risk of death on the job, there are a lot of jobs out there that are WAY more risky. It is far more dangerous actually to be a commercial pilot than it is to be a police officer on a year in year out basis).

This affects us all. You here about cases of mistaken identity (there was a case a while back about an innocent white man who's home was invaded without warning by police leading to his death. The reason for the death: a false tip from a meth abuser who had stolen the victim's car) and cases of bystander injury (there was a baby burned by a stun grenade thrown into a home) and etc. There are innumerable stories about people being arrested for small things like public intoxication and being absolutely assaulted and hospitalized by police for saying a few clever words whilst drunk. Even routine traffic stops have been an issue (I remember reading about a white family driving through texas late at night who were pulled over illegally and the situation simply escalated out of control. There was also quite a bit of video taped proof of bullying, intimidation, and flat out lying by both police and prosecutors in that case. There's also the case of that gentleman in SC who was gunned down by a police officer for presenting a wallet as asked by that police officer). Furthermore, in all these cases there are expensive trials and settlements which come out of all our pockets as tax paying citizens.

At the end of the day, it comes down to the populace trying to reel in an increasingly militarized out of control police force. There is never a wrong day to do the right thing, and this maybe the right time to really question whose side the police force is on.

And thats not even touching the very relevant racial undertones that are present in this case. '
 
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raildogg

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I haven't followed this case much but I really doubt these protesters really care about anything other than their own personal agendas. Do you think by yelling, screaming, destroying property and hurting others will help anything? It won't. But everyone has a cause these days it seems.

It's a sad, sad world we live in. This world is what we have created. This is the type of world you and I deserve.
 

Double Trouble

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I think you miss the point. At the end of the day, this trial is about police power going unchecked. There has been a dramatic rise in police related shooting, despite crime and on the job police injuries/deaths falling (the justification for these police shootings).

Sorry, but no. At the end of the day, this isn't about some bigger picture, it's specifically about this case, where a guy apparently made the fatal mistake of attacking a cop. I see no way that has anything to do with unchecked police power.

At the end of the day, it comes down to the populace trying to reel in an increasingly militarized out of control police force. There is never a wrong day to do the right thing, and this maybe the right time to really question whose side the police force is on.

I'm sure there are plenty of real cases of police abuse of power, this is not one of them and trying to build some sort of movement on that notion isn't going to do anything positive.
 

realibrad

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I think you miss the point. At the end of the day, this trial is about police power going unchecked. There has been a dramatic rise in police related shooting, despite crime and on the job police injuries/deaths falling (the justification for these police shootings).

This affects us all. You here about cases of mistaken identity (there was a case a while back about an innocent white man who's home was invaded by police leading to his death. The reason for the death: a false tip from a meth abusee who had stolen the victim's car) and cases of bystander injury (there was a baby burned by a stun grenade thrown into a home) and etc. There are innumerable stories about people being arrested for small things like public intoxication and being absolutely assaulted and hospitalized by police for saying a few clever words whilst drunk. Even routine traffic stops have been an issue (I remember reading about a white family driving through texas late at night who were pulled over illegally and the situation simply escalated out of control. There was also quite a bit of video taped proof of bullying, intimidation, and flat out lying by both police and prosecutors in that case. There's also the case of that gentleman in SC who was gunned down by a police officer for presenting a wallet as asked by that police officer).

At the end of the day, it comes down to the populace trying to reel in an increasingly militarized out of control police force. There is never a wrong day to do the right thing, and this maybe the right time to really question whose side the police force is on.

And thats not even touching the very relevant racial undertones that are present in this case. '


I agree there has been more media reporting, but do you have any data that backs up the claim you just made?
 

Sunburn74

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I agree there has been more media reporting, but do you have any data that backs up the claim you just made?

http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/03/19/crimes-police-aggression-increasing/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm

Sorry, but no. At the end of the day, this isn't about some bigger picture, it's specifically about this case, where a guy apparently made the fatal mistake of attacking a cop. I see no way that has anything to do with unchecked police power.

I'm sure there are plenty of real cases of police abuse of power, this is not one of them and trying to build some sort of movement on that notion isn't going to do anything positive.
People who fail to see the bigger picture fail to see social injustice. It can always be about just a case. Rosa parks being arrested was just about an old lady who wasn't following the law and got what she deserved by being thrown in jail. Luckily some people and history itself can see beyond just the specifics of one case.
 
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thujone

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i don't understand how the physical evidence supported no indictment when there were clear inconsistencies in wilson's story... the most obvious one being that brown's body was 3x further away from the police suv than what wilson stated. once an unarmed man is over 100ft away from you and you're holding a gun i think any threats to your immediate safety are pretty much eliminated.
 

boomerang

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Commercial property insurance (or even a BOP) is most likely going to cover this.
Acts of war - not covered. Civil unrest and rioting, generally covered.
And there are no special premiums to cover this. It's part of the policy. And the insurance company can not call the business and attempt to extort additional premiums out of them knowing that some rioting/looting may occur.
Perhaps it varies from state to state. As a former owner of a business leasing retail space, I recall there being exclusions for the items I mentioned. I do remember acts of war being mentioned also. But...my recollection may be incorrect and I no longer have the policy to refer to. It's all a side issue within the thread anyway.
 

owensdj

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Sunburn74 you sound like you wanted the prosecutor to do what they did in the Trayvon Martin case - bypass a grand jury and indict someone for murder purely due to political pressure even though the evidence proved he shot in self defense.
 

Sunburn74

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Sunburn74 you sound like you wanted the prosecutor to do what they did in the Trayvon Martin case - bypass a grand jury and indict someone for murder purely due to political pressure even though the evidence proved he shot in self defense.

There continue to be conflicting evidence regarding that, whether some of the shots were actually in self defense (we know some were, but were ALL of them, particularly the ones that led to death which allegedly were fired last? The same was true in the rodney king case: some of those blows were legal, but once King was subdued there was a lot of extra violent activity on the part of police officers that resulted in 2 convictions. The conflict in this case is whether the victim had surrendered and but was more or less executed by an angry police officer with a headshot. THAT is really what the trial would have been about).

What I want is for police officers to face the same standards as everyone else. Citizens don't face prosecutions from attorney's who are essentially their family members. Why should police? When the prosecutor sounds like a winning defense lawyer in his statements, you really have to question his intent.
 
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realibrad

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http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/03/19/crimes-police-aggression-increasing/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-17-Copmisconduct_N.htm


People who fail to see the bigger picture fail to see social injustice. It can always be about just a case. Rosa parks being arrested was just about an old lady who wasn't following the law and got what she deserved by being thrown in jail. Luckily some people and history itself can see beyond just the specifics of one case.

Dont just google something, and pull links without reading them.

"In fact, while being a police officer has been getting less dangerous, killings committed by police have been rising despite the drop in police who are killed."

Then in the never next paragraph...

"The numbers are eye opening. The Justice Department, which keeps all kinds of statistics on violent crime, does not tally up individuals killed annually by police"

The author did not cite any study that shows it rising, because there are no numbers to study. That to me is a problem, but you cant use that source to say its rising.

The USA Today article says it has gone up 25%, but does not cite any source.

So why did you post what you did? Did you even read the articles at all?
 

OutHouse

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i don't understand how the physical evidence supported no indictment when there were clear inconsistencies in wilson's story... the most obvious one being that brown's body was 3x further away from the police suv than what wilson stated. once an unarmed man is over 100ft away from you and you're holding a gun i think any threats to your immediate safety are pretty much eliminated.

Fail
 

TechBoyJK

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i don't understand how the physical evidence supported no indictment when there were clear inconsistencies in wilson's story... the most obvious one being that brown's body was 3x further away from the police suv than what wilson stated. once an unarmed man is over 100ft away from you and you're holding a gun i think any threats to your immediate safety are pretty much eliminated.

Where you getting your facts? Have you checked all that data?

The grand jury didn't seem to find the same inconsistencies that you see.

I tend to think you're seeing inconsistencies because you're not basing it on actual facts, just 'facts' trumped up for media hype.

And the end of the day, the only people who really saw all the evidence sat on the Grand Jury, and they didn't find the evidence you see.
 

bshole

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i don't understand how the physical evidence supported no indictment when there were clear inconsistencies in wilson's story... the most obvious one being that brown's body was 3x further away from the police suv than what wilson stated. once an unarmed man is over 100ft away from you and you're holding a gun i think any threats to your immediate safety are pretty much eliminated.

Technically that is not an inconsistency, that is lying under oath. Wilson should be brought on perjury charges immediately according to our resident expert xBiff.....
 

The Merg

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Ever heard of TESTILYING. Cops are notorious for lying under oath. They are BY A WIDE FUCKING COUNTRY MILE the most suspectible witness to lying under oath.


You've brought that up before. There's nothing to say how truly prevalent or minimal this practice actually is. And your claim that they are the most susceptible witness to lying under oath also goes without merit as well.

As I mentioned before, the phrase testilying was created by Alan Dershowitz in the 1990s. He has always been that severe critic of law-enforcement. The fact it's him with his popularity and he created the phrase allows that phrase to go more mainstream.

If a cop is caught in a truthfulness issue or caught lying on the stand, there's a good chance they're going to be added to the Brady list. Once added to that list, it is basically impossible for that cop to testify in court. If the cop can't testify in court, they really can't do the job anymore.

- Merg
 

Londo_Jowo

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You people realize that Wilson's not completely in the clear yet, right?

So what evidence is there that Officer Wilson violated Mike Brown's civil rights? He failed to let him complete the felonious assault against him?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/24/justice/missouri-ferguson-darren-wilson-grand-jury-outcome/

O'Mara says he believes the federal investigation into Wilson's actions will lose steam.
"A federal investigation for civil rights violation is very difficult to accomplish," he said. You really have to show that the person acted with the intent to take away your civil rights, meaning I did what I did because you're black.
 

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Sunburn74

Your siggy is a bit ironic in light of this topic.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
It appears the "truth", or forensic "evidence" in this case, supports Brown instigated his fate. This truth is being essentially ridiculed in the popular media by what/who is getting all the attention, and "violently" opposed - quite literally. But will it ever be accepted as self evident? Or will we throw "truth" out the window because it gets in the way of "the ends justifying the means"? In other words, because social injustice exists (and it does seem to) lets use this example, no matter how inappropriate, as the poster child to fight that cause. *sigh*
 
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