Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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ivwshane

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Don't be stupid. What's more probable. That a cop sitting in his car pulls a 6 foot 4 guy into his car through the window by his throat and shoots him or that that the dumbass attacked a cop?

I don't deal in probability when it comes to justice and neither should you.
 

kage69

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Don't be stupid. What's more probable. That a cop sitting in his car pulls a 6 foot 4 guy into his car through the window by his throat and shoots him or that that the dumbass attacked a cop?


Quite so. A 6 foot 4 guy who would be resisting this Hollywood-esque maneuver no less.

Where's the dashboard video of that one female officer getting sucker punched to the ground, then having her 6 foot something attacker straddle her and proceed to cave her face in, all in front of his distraught daughter. "Sorry honey, I'm not going back to jail." Is what you hear him say back to her. Should be required viewing for anyone who wants to second judge an officer over reaction times and judgement.
 

ivwshane

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Quite so. A 6 foot 4 guy who would be resisting this Hollywood-esque maneuver no less.

Where's the dashboard video of that one female officer getting sucker punched to the ground, then having her 6 foot something attacker straddle her and proceed to cave her face in, all in front of his distraught daughter. "Sorry honey, I'm not going back to jail." Is what you hear him say back to her. Should be required viewing for anyone who wants to second judge an officer over reaction times and judgement.

Well good thing that in the court of law probability of events happening, aka speculation, is a valid defense/offense.

/s
 

Vic

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How could you possibly believe Darren Wilson will ever be a cop on the street again? If you really do believe that, you simply do not comprehend the magnitude of the threat to his life.

This is an extremely typical lynch mob (today, death by beating would always be more likely than actual lynching). Thousands of people want him dead. Millions want him to suffer (and they're 100% sure he's a racist killer, regardless of evidence). What do you think will happen when people find out he's patrolling the streets again? Do you think they'll leave him alone?

Wow. Delusion.

A year from now, hardly anyone will even remember his name. And if, just by chance, he is still in the news, then he should be able to cash in on a sweet book deal. Publicity is money, even when it's negative.

The lynch mobs aka protesters will be gone by the weekend.

And yeah, he'll be a cop again if he wants to. Or are you saying that he did something wrong that would prevent him from rehired?
 

Vic

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I missed this. He'll have the same chance of being hired as Jack the Ripper. Anyone who hires him will be attacked and perhaps literally. He's a Flying Dutchman and you are smart enough to know what that means.

I'm also smart enough to know that police departments, like most government agencies, have strict hiring policies and procedures. Suppose he applies for a job as a police officer, and he meets the qualifications for the position and tests out as the best candidate, they won't be able to not hire him.
 

Ichinisan

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A year from now, hardly anyone will even remember his name. And if, just by chance, he is still in the news, then he should be able to cash in on a sweet book deal. Publicity is money, even when it's negative.

The lynch mobs aka protesters will be gone by the weekend.

And yeah, he'll be a cop again if he wants to. Or are you saying that he did something wrong that would prevent him from rehired?

I'm also smart enough to know that police departments, like most government agencies, have strict hiring policies and procedures. Suppose he applies for a job as a police officer, and he meets the qualifications for the position and tests out as the best candidate, they won't be able to not hire him.

You must be kidding.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm also smart enough to know that police departments, like most government agencies, have strict hiring policies and procedures. Suppose he applies for a job as a police officer, and he meets the qualifications for the position and tests out as the best candidate, they won't be able to not hire him.


I have to disagree. If someone is strongly expected to cause problems reasons can be found to not hire them. Neither the corporate world nor that of the government are beholden to be meritocracies. When reality meets policy the former wins. I've seen it so many times that I can't imagine the world has suddenly changed for Wilson. He's damned.
 

compuwiz1

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You must be kidding.

I don't think he is and I think he is correct. Wilson hasn't been convicted of anything and given the circumstances his resignation is the proper thing to do for his own safety. Most any law enforcement agency will understand this.
 

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Actually the autopsy wasn't conclusive as brown was shot in the arm which could have been while he was turned away from wilson. Or do you not remember that part?

The claim was made, that brown attacked wilson first, there is zero evidence based on physical evidence that proves this to be correct. Does that mean since there isn't any conclusive evidence that brown attacked wilson first that means wilson attacked brown? According to your logic it does!

I figured you brought up something I never said and dodged my original question and claim, so I thought I'd remind you of what the fuck the conversation was about.



You know there is more to this case than just the actual shooting right? You know like why brown was shot in the first place or why there was an altercation. You know, the things physical evidence can't answer.
Yeah, physical evidence may not be able to answer everything, but a drop of common sense can, at least with 99% certainty. Let's see, which is more likely? Wilson attempted to arrest Brown by pulling a man who outweighs him and is larger than him through the window of his vehicle. Or, is it more likely that Brown hit Wilson? Or, maybe Cupid thought the two would make a nice couple, and shot his love arrow at Wilson, but used the wrong type of arrow & it left a bruise on Wilson's face.

Oh, and there's an audio tape of the gun shots. So, you're saying that Brown was shot in the arm while running backwards toward Wilson (blood spatter on ground), then between shots, did a 180 degree turn and faced Wilson while continuing to move toward him.
 
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zanejohnson

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i too am pretty sure Wilson will be back in a LEO position by this time next year...that's just how they operate. And another nail in the coffin for people who are pissed off. Hence. the riots.
 

zanejohnson

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it's so weird how there are people who vehemently defend cops, and some who see them with absolute disdain...

not really any middle ground, weird phenomena.
 

DrPizza

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it's so weird how there are people who vehemently defend cops, and some who see them with absolute disdain...

not really any middle ground, weird phenomena.
I'll defend honest cops, which seems to be the majority of them in my experience. I also think that cops should be held to a higher standard - harsher penalties than the average person for certain offenses.
 

rudder

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it's so weird how there are people who vehemently defend cops, and some who see them with absolute disdain...

not really any middle ground, weird phenomena.


I Don't like cops abusing their power and hiding behind the law while doing so. But in this case a thug criminal tried to overpower a cop and it cost him his life.
 

CZroe

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A year from now, hardly anyone will even remember his name. And if, just by chance, he is still in the news, then he should be able to cash in on a sweet book deal. Publicity is money, even when it's negative.

The lynch mobs aka protesters will be gone by the weekend.

And yeah, he'll be a cop again if he wants to. Or are you saying that he did something wrong that would prevent him from rehired?
Oh yeah, everyone TOTALLY forgot that guy... what's his name... Georgio Zimmerson? Yeah. That guy.

It would be suicidal. Enough people will remember (incorrectly) that he was "that guy who..." and it will never be safe. Even if they don't attack him, they will make up charges and bear false witness and do everything they can to make his, and the department admin's lives Hell. He won't be able to function.

I don't think he is and I think he is correct. Wilson hasn't been convicted of anything and given the circumstances his resignation is the proper thing to do for his own safety. Most any law enforcement agency will understand this.

It has nothing to do with whether they can or are forced to hire him, it has to do with the danger to him being so great that it would be suicidal to seek employment in a public-facing law enforcement position. Get it? Unless he has a death wish, he will never patrol the streets as a police officer again.
 

zanejohnson

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I'll defend honest cops, which seems to be the majority of them in my experience. I also think that cops should be held to a higher standard - harsher penalties than the average person for certain offenses.

I agree with this, in my experience it's been more corrupt cops then honest cops however.. i may just live in a bad area, we have a notoriously corrupt sheriff's department/court system in my county however.. it's Cooke county but the slang nickname around here is "crook" county they are the type that use civil forfeiture left and right, all day long... searches are mandatory it seems for ANY traffic stop.. i've only NOT been searched a couple of times that i've been pulled over here. A cop got really verbally abusive to my mother once here, over a seatbelt violation and then search (she at first was reasoning with the cop that searching was just a waste of time, she's a 60 year old woman, she just happened to be driving our farm truck at the time (it's older and has peeling paint and whatnot) it was completely out of line, my blood was boiling when she explained it to me crying.

i also think cops should definitely be held to a higher standard.. they are given complete authority when it comes to the general public.. with power comes responsibility, not anonymity.
 

ivwshane

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Yeah, physical evidence may not be able to answer everything, but a drop of common sense can, at least with 99% certainty. Let's see, which is more likely? Wilson attempted to arrest Brown by pulling a man who outweighs him and is larger than him through the window of his vehicle. Or, is it more likely that Brown hit Wilson? Or, maybe Cupid thought the two would make a nice couple, and shot his love arrow at Wilson, but used the wrong type of arrow & it left a bruise on Wilson's face.

Oh, and there's an audio tape of the gun shots. So, you're saying that Brown was shot in the arm while running backwards toward Wilson (blood spatter on ground), then between shots, did a 180 degree turn and faced Wilson while continuing to move toward him.

Don't bother quoting me if you can be bothered to fucking follow the conversation.
 

ivwshane

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I Don't like cops abusing their power and hiding behind the law while doing so. But in this case a thug criminal tried to overpower a cop and it cost him his life.

What evidence is this based on? Common sense? Speculation? Uncontested eye witness accounts? 2nd hand accounts based on Wilson's recalling of the incident? Non existent bruises? Non existent pictures of bloody hands? Browns finger prints on Wilson's gun? Dash cam audio?

It should be pretty easy to prove since you guys keep making the claim.

If you were put in a similar situation except no one died and your future was in jeopardy, what evidence would you want provided to the jury to clear your name and to prove you were attacked? More importantly what evidence would hold up in a court of law?
 

compuwiz1

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Don't bother quoting me if you can be bothered to fucking follow the conversation.

The butt hurt isn't healing well, is it?
Some people are trying to either politicize this or make it a race issue. It is neither. It's about the rule of law and how our judicial system works. With the facts, most level headed people can understand why the GJ could not indict. You are, apparently, not one of those people. That is a LBD issue, your bias, facts be damned.
 

ivwshane

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The butt hurt isn't healing well, is it?
Some people are trying to either politicize this or make it a race issue. It is neither. It's about the rule of law and how our judicial system works. With the facts, most level headed people can understand why the GJ could not indict. You are, apparently, not one of those people. That is a LBD issue, your bias, facts be damned.

Lol! I haven't said one word about it being a race issue or a political issue, it's been about the facts and whether or not a fair due process was given.

It's funny how you talk about facts and level headed people coming to a conclusion, well, I've asked repeatedly for facts and no one has yet to provide any that would absolve guilt or prove wilson guilty. But I'm the one who is saying "facts be damned!" Lol! Do you have any facts?

The only people butthurt seem to be from people like you who don't want the process questioned.
 

compuwiz1

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Lol! I haven't said one word about it being a race issue or a political issue, it's been about the facts and whether or not a fair due process was given.

It's funny how you talk about facts and level headed people coming to a conclusion, well, I've asked repeatedly for facts and no one has yet to provide any that would absolve guilt or prove wilson guilty. But I'm the one who is saying "facts be damned!" Lol! Do you have any facts?

The only people butthurt seem to be from people like you who don't want the process questioned.

The facts of the investigation have been posted online. Do your own homework.
Let me ask you this - if you were standing close enough to see the whole thing play out and it went down exactly as the investigation has determined it did, would you still be calling for this officer's head? I doubt it. I don't think you can handle the truth. You just want this officer to fry. What if it had been a black cop and a white kid was the perp? For me, I'd still support the same GJ decision....no bill. Given the same evidence provided to a jury, in an actual trial, I'm confident there would have been an acquittal. Knowing that, why try the case? It's over & done. Get over it.
 

rudder

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What evidence is this based on? Common sense? Speculation? Uncontested eye witness accounts? 2nd hand accounts based on Wilson's recalling of the incident? Non existent bruises? Non existent pictures of bloody hands? Browns finger prints on Wilson's gun? Dash cam audio?

It should be pretty easy to prove since you guys keep making the claim.

If you were put in a similar situation except no one died and your future was in jeopardy, what evidence would you want provided to the jury to clear your name and to prove you were attacked? More importantly what evidence would hold up in a court of law?

Damn all those Uncle Tom witnesses who gave testimony to the grand jury. One of the few witnesses who said brown was surrendering was also the same person who was with him when he bullied a convenience store owner while stealing a box of cigars.
 
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