Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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Londo_Jowo

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just shock and andrenaline would make you shaky. he also was wearing sandals and lost one running away so it's not like he's ready to sprint or anything

Have you ever been wounded? The adrenaline tends to make a person able to be stronger and move faster. He lost both sandals running, still it's possible within 20 second he could have made it further than 150 feet.

then why was there the original measurement of 35 ft given by the chief?

Maybe he mistook what he was seeing on the preliminary sketches or someone misinformed him. Maybe you should look at the scene drawing that was released and the legend that lists what the different items are on the drawing as it help you understand what Wilson testified to is very possible/correct.
 

Svnla

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She probably supported him robbing stores and assaulting people. After all, it's not wrong if you think those actions are legit.

I do not know how her relationship was with Brown or how she taught him but I know that taking things without paying = wrong and intimidating others by physical threat = even more wrong. That's not how I was taught by my parents, and that is why I am still alive and carefree.

I do not do "keep it real" or condone any of such nonsense thing/behavior.
 
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DrPizza

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I only care about the evidence to simply point out people's bias and to show them their beliefs are faith based. I care more about the process and that the process was fair and just, so far it's not looking so good and it that should concern everyone, not just brown supporters or wilson supporters. The fact that cops get special treatment when facing the same justice system ordinary citizens face should be sounding alarm bells in everyone's ears.

The minute people accept an unfair justice system is the time when there is no justice.
There's testimony both ways - that Wilson attacked Brown, and that Brown attacked Wilson. 3 autopsies on Brown and zero physical evidence to support that Wilson physically attacked Brown. One medical examination and pictures that confirm that Brown was hitting Wilson. Wilson is confined to his vehicle and cannot back up. Brown can simply take a step backward. Gunshot residue on Brown's hand and blood inside the vehicle prove that Brown was reaching into the vehicle and had his hand very near the muzzle of the gun when it fired (not to mention the wound to the thumb). His hand was IN the vehicle when that happened.

I think that's VERY strong evidence that Brown was assaulting Wilson. But you're right. Without a video tape, its not proof. Errr, uhhh, I forgot for a moment who I'm speaking to. Without an enhanced quality video tape, it's not proof. Dammit. Without an enhanced quality video tape with audio so we can hear what they're saying, it's not proof. There's still a 0.5% chance that Wilson was trying to injure Brown's fists by striking them with his face.
Do you even hear yourself? You basically want the prosecutor to discredit his own witness, what sane prosecutor would do that? Mcculloch did! But that's besides the point because discrediting the witnesses was done and yet it wasn't done against Wilsons conflicting testimony in yet another stunningly unusual move by the prosecutor (which you have yet to acknowledge).

I'm still curious as to what this forensic evidence you have that backs up the claim that brown attacked wilson.
McCulloch didn't have to discredit him - the physical evidence discredited him.

just shock and andrenaline would make you shaky. he also was wearing sandals and lost one running away so it's not like he's ready to sprint or anything
You might feel shaky if you're just standing still, but he would be able to run just as fast - perhaps even faster due to the extra adrenaline. The casings on the ground behind the body clearly indicate that he DID cover the distance between himself and where Wilson was at when Wilson originally started firing.
 

CZroe

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i honestly read it 4 times and didn't get that meaning... but i see it now.


so... the first shooting scene is wilson in the car struggling with brown. the second one is wilson 35 ft away from the vehicle shooting at brown further down the street?


if that's correct then it still doesn't change the fact that brown's body was 150+ ft. away from the vehicle. even if wilson is 35 ft. closer to him brown was still over 100 ft away from wilson when he hit the ground. which means if brown did charge him as wilson states, then he was even further than 153ft when he initially stopped running away and turned around to charge wilson.
First of all, 35 feet was an estimate in line with the actual distance Wilson was from the car (IIRC, 41 feet). Second, neither of them were standing still the whole time. Third, he never said how far away Brown was, only that the whole scene took place over 35 feet away. Wilson was moving BACKWARDS as Brown rushed him which is why there were shell casings around Brown'sugar body.

It short, it doesn't change the fact that the body was around 150 feet away. It shows that they never claimed it wasn't.
then why was there the original measurement of 35 ft given by the chief?
The incident report said he was about 35 feet from the vehicle when he opened fire, which was a close approximation of the actual distance (41 feet, IIRC). All the claims that police reported that Brown was within 35 feet of the vehicle come from that ONE poorly-worded and misunderstood officer who was not trying to say that at all and even attempted (and failed again) to clarify.
 
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The Merg

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I am worried now, they will give this thug his pension. Really worried, he is going to be rewarded for his killing of an innocent young man.

Yup. He just robbed a convenience store. Innocent...

As for his pension, if Wilson resigns, he DOES NOT get a pension. Considering he was been with the department for only a few years, he should not even be eligible for early retirement.

- Merg
 

WackyDan

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Aren't you tired yet, fatass?

He is from Sacramento, CA. That is all you need to know about him and his political leanings. He is here to antagonize and troll and that's it. You can check any other forum he's on - insult after insult and he is right, and everyone else is wrong. That is pretty much his M.O.

He registers exactly what everyone is saying and is getting off being intentionally obtuse.
 

WackyDan

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also in his testimony wilson states that the entire interaction from seeing them walking in the street to mike brown dead on the cement was under a minute


i wonder how fast a 6'5" 300lb guy who's been shot at least once can cover 150+ ft.

A perp can cover 21 feet in a second. They don't have to be an athlete to do so either. The 21 foot rule is pretty standard in law enforcement. 100 feet 120 feet if you measure it out is not that far.
 
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A perp can cover 21 feet in a second. They don't have to be an athlete to do so either. The 21 foot rule is pretty standard in law enforcement. 100 feet 120 feet if you measure it out is not that far.

That and the testimony says Brown was 8-10 feet away from Wilson when he fired the last series of shots. Not sure why people are focusing on where Wilson's vehicle was and judging distance based on that.

Wilson said that Brown ran away and he chased. He said Brown turned, “had the most intense aggressive face I’ve ever seen on a person,” and charged, with his hand under his shirt and inside his waistband. He said that he ordered Brown to get on the ground, and when he did not, he fired at Brown.

He said that Brown charged at him, “still running at me, hadn’t slowed down, hands still in his waistband.” Wilson said that Brown was 8 to 10 feet away when the officer fired more shots and Brown fell.
 

WackyDan

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Gunshot residue on Brown's hand and blood inside the vehicle prove that Brown was reaching into the vehicle and had his hand very near the muzzle of the gun when it fired (not to mention the wound to the thumb). His hand was IN the vehicle when that happened.

The interesting thing about that is that Wilson talked about his firearm's failure to discharge a couple of times during that portion of the engagement. Most semi auto handguns will not fire if the slide is partially pushed back out of "battery". On my CZ that is literally 3/16 of an inch. On my Springfield it is about the same.

That tells me that there was potentially contact with the firearm by brown. It isn't the only reason his weapon might have failed, but it is very possible.
 

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The interesting thing about that is that Wilson talked about his firearm's failure to discharge a couple of times during that portion of the engagement. Most semi auto handguns will not fire if the slide is partially pushed back out of "battery". On my CZ that is literally 3/16 of an inch. On my Springfield it is about the same.

That tells me that there was potentially contact with the firearm by brown. It isn't the only reason his weapon might have failed, but it is very possible.

I think the answer this is that Brown happened to coincidentally put his hand in the car not realizing it was there. Perhaps he was sleepwalking and was fighting off an alien or something. He went for the disintegrator ray. Wilson being an evil mastermind used this unfortunate situation to attack Brown and setting him up by attacking him thereby getting blood inside the car so he could shoot Brown. The only question is did Wilson drug Brown, or did he pay someone else to do it. This is the only theory which makes sense.
 

Londo_Jowo

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The interesting thing about that is that Wilson talked about his firearm's failure to discharge a couple of times during that portion of the engagement. Most semi auto handguns will not fire if the slide is partially pushed back out of "battery". On my CZ that is literally 3/16 of an inch. On my Springfield it is about the same.

That tells me that there was potentially contact with the firearm by brown. It isn't the only reason his weapon might have failed, but it is very possible.

From my experience in the Navy, the 1911 will not fire if the slide is not more than 95% engaged. The same is true with my Glock 17.
 

The Merg

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Lol! It's quite simple, multiple people have claimed brown attacked wilson AND there is evidence to support that claim! So you either have this evidence or you don't. It certainly sounds like you don't believe there is evidence either. That's why you haven't shown any and that's why you divert this issue away from yourself and others and the claim you made to me and my character. It's classic CBD behavior


As far as I've read, the only person that stated that Wilson started the altercation is Brown's partner in crime, who is a proven liar when under oath.

- Merg
 

The Merg

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A perp can cover 21 feet in a second. They don't have to be an athlete to do so either. The 21 foot rule is pretty standard in law enforcement. 100 feet 120 feet if you measure it out is not that far.

You can cover 21 feet before an officer can draw his weapon and get it on target and many officers train to be able to fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds.

- Merg
 

Jaskalas

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...Wilson was moving BACKWARDS as Brown rushed him which is why there were shell casings around Brown's body....

Whoa...everyone needs to read that. Such evidence is crystal clear then. More direct than anything else I've heard of.
 

DCal430

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Watching Wilson interview is sickening. This thug is a psychopath, he is no guilt, no remorse, nothing over his slaughter of an innocent young man. Sick
 

Jaskalas

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Watching Wilson interview is sickening. This thug is a psychopath, he is no guilt, no remorse, nothing over his slaughter of an innocent young man. Sick

Innocent young man? GTFO.

People have a right to defend themselves.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Watching Wilson interview is sickening. This thug is a psychopath, he is no guilt, no remorse, nothing over his slaughter of an innocent young man. Sick

I get it! This is "opposite" topic for you. That explains how you can be so wrong at so many levels on a constant basis. You take the facts and turn them about 180 degrees. Nice.
 

JEDIYoda

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Yup. He just robbed a convenience store. Innocent...

As for his pension, if Wilson resigns, he DOES NOT get a pension. Considering he was been with the department for only a few years, he should not even be eligible for early retirement.

- Merg
True but I would bet the Fed`s will get Wilson a new identity and find a place for him to pretend to repair shoes for the rest of his life....all on the governments dime!! This the new Police Protection Program.....
 

Hayabusa Rider

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True but I would bet the Fed`s will get Wilson a new identity and find a place for him to pretend to repair shoes for the rest of his life....all on the governments dime!! This the new Police Protection Program.....

They'll let him hang.
 

Attic

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They're reporting on CNN that one of the "experts" that aided one of the Brown autopsies is a fraud.

Shawn Parcells in the white shirt

Involved heavily in the 2nd autopsy that was used to build the case through the prism of Crump and Parks in their media release of the 2nd autopsy where they claimed Brown was shot in the back and "executed" in the street. Do you realize where the fraud is and on where it was located? Right next to the rest of the fraud pile (Crump and Parks entire involvement).

But yea, no surprise, this is regarding the Micahel Brown Autopsy done for the Brown family at the behest of the Brown family attornies Crump and Parks. Figures, like everything else they represented, this was a fraud.

This info has also been known shortly after the 2nd autopsy came out that Parcells was a fraud. CNN is a bit slow on the uptake, i'm surprised they are reporting, but after the no indictment seems appropriate. CNN knew Parcells was a fraud since the 2nd autopsy came out, but reporting this didn't line up with their goal to build the Brown case into an uproar with lies and half truths.
 
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Sinsear

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True but I would bet the Fed`s will get Wilson a new identity and find a place for him to pretend to repair shoes for the rest of his life....all on the governments dime!! This the new Police Protection Program.....


gtfo
 
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