Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[rudeguy]

A police officer has the duty to catch, detain, and arrest people who are breaking the law, especially in a violent way like Brown was. It is entirely reasonable for Wilson to chase Brown.

According to Wilson and additional witness testimonies, Brown had turned back around and started coming towards Wilson, presumably to start another physical fight, when he shot at him.

Again...I totally understand chasing him. I do not understand chasing him and then shooting him.

 

[highland145]

The coverage of this white dude killed by four black guys will shine an interesting light on the hypocrisy of this entire thing. Too bad for him he ignored the cardinal rule of never getting out of one's car when surrounded by people seemingly intent on violence. It was an awful mistake.

The ignorant masses will never hear about it so the story won't change a thing.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Again...I totally understand chasing him. I do not understand chasing him and then shooting him.

So you believe he should have let someone go who just committed a violent crime? If he caught him then what?

 

[smackababy]

You have drank way too much koolaid.

I am trained in advanced 1st aid and CPR, I totally understand rendering aid. However I would not use my hollow point rounds to render aid.

It is fairly clear you're not trained in anything but bullshit. Police officers render aid to suspects they have fired upon. It is in their training. They don't just sit around and let people die. Wilson already shot Brown and exited to apprehend and render, if required, aid to him. Brown then took it upon himself to advance toward and officer with his gun drawn commanding him to stop.

He didn't chase him and shoot him without provocation.

The ignorant masses will never hear about it so the story won't change a thing.

The headline for that story is "man beaten to death with hammers" or something similar. No mention of the race of the victim, the suspects, or even the location (St. Louis...) where it happened. A white person killed by a pack of black youths just doesn't generate the rage that a white cop shooting a "gentle giant" does.

 

[cubby1223]

Again...I totally understand chasing him. I do not understand chasing him and then shooting him.

Because there were a few additional things that happened between "chasing him" and "shooting him". You only have, what, 2 seconds at the most at that point to assess whether he is a threat to your life.

Bottom line is, don't engage in physical fights with police officers.

 

[rudeguy]

It is fairly clear you're not trained in anything but bullshit. Police officers render aid to suspects they have fired upon. It is in their training. They don't just sit around and let people die. Wilson already shot Brown and exited to apprehend and render, if required, aid to him. Brown then took it upon himself to advance toward and officer with his gun drawn commanding him to stop.

He didn't chase him and shoot him without provocation.


The headline for that story is "man beaten to death with hammers" or something similar. No mention of the race of the victim, the suspects, or even the location (St. Louis...) where it happened. A white person killed by a pack of black youths just doesn't generate the rage that a white cop shooting a "gentle giant" does.

You are telling me the only reason Wilson got out of the car was to render aid?

 

[smackababy]

You are telling me the only reason Wilson got out of the car was to render aid?

I am telling you that is part of the reason. Another is to apprehend a suspect that just assaulted a police officer in his cruiser.

Are you telling me you believe Wilson was assaulted and then existed his car, chased down Brown, and executed him? Do you also believe he [Brown] had his back turned and his hands up?

 

[Jaskalas]

Wilson shot Brown from inside his cruiser and then exited it to likely render aid, as he was trained to do.

Ehh.. that sounds like a stretch. I'd say Wilson was simply pursuing to make an arrest.

Brown wasn't going to allow that as 1: He was afraid of arrest, and thus assaulted Wilson in the first place. 2: Was angry that he got shot while going for the gun. 3: Was afraid of cops with guns, thinking he'd be killed no matter what he did. So while drugged, angry, and afraid... he made a suicidal last charge.

If at any point Brown had calmed down, and relented from a series of "kill or be killed" actions, he could have been peacefully arrested for his crimes.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Once, my friends and I pulled into an apartment complex and were immediately surrounded by SWAT team, pulled from the vehicle and put on the ground, with AR-15s pointed at us. Apparently, we were in a car that matched the description of a drug dealer they were waiting for. They checked all our IDs and sent us on our way. Nobody was shot.

You didn't talk back, struggle, or go for a cop's gun though either.

The saddest thing is that at the end of ABC's interview with Wilson, he's asked what Brown could have done to avoid his death and Wilson said "yea, I was on my way to lunch. I didn't want to stop. He could have just complied and stepped onto the sidewalk. I would have moved on had he done that."

 

[TechBoyJK]

Ehh.. that sounds like a stretch. I'd say Wilson was simply pursuing to make an arrest.

Brown wasn't going to allow that as 1: He was afraid of arrest, and thus assaulted Wilson in the first place. 2: Was angry that he got shot while going for the gun. 3: Was afraid of cops with guns, thinking he'd be killed no matter what he did. So while drugged, angry, and afraid... he made a suicidal last charge.

If at any point Brown had calmed down, and relented from a series of "kill or be killed" actions, he could have been peacefully arrested for his crimes.

People tend to forget that chasing suspects is part of the job. People are saying "Wilson could have ran away".

Cops running away from violent criminals. That's a great idea!

The game 'cops and robbers' is called that for a reason. It's because cops chase robbers. If cops ran away everytime they got scared, we wouldn't need them.

 

[Blanky]

The ignorant masses will never hear about it so the story won't change a thing.

dailymail has it at the top but fox doesn't seem to have it at all and cnn has it as just a heading on the main page of less value than the story about a black storm trooper. Ridiculous.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Again...I totally understand chasing him. I do not understand chasing him and then shooting him.

So police should allow someone who have not only committed a strong arm robbery but assaulted a police officer to get away. Had Brown stopped and stayed put until backup arrived he wouldn't have been shot again. Turning and charging an officer with one of your hands in your waist band is not going to bode well for you. The officer was justified in protecting himself, he was back pedaling when he fired the last burst of rounds.

 

[OutHouse]

They don't just sit around and let people die.

lol yea ok....

it happens one case that is famous for it are the two dudes from the North Hollywood shoot out. LAPD stood around and let them bleed out and the only person who gave a fuck was their mother.

 

[smackababy]

lol yea ok....

it happens one case that is famous for it are the two dudes from the LA shoot out.

The guy who bled out wasn't incapacitated completely, and bled out because he kept shooting after being wounded, IIRC. They didn't just say "well, he's hurt, let him bleed out." They were kept from rendering aid by the idiot continuing to shoot at them.

 

[rudeguy]

The guy who bled out wasn't incapacitated completely, and bled out because he kept shooting after being wounded, IIRC. They didn't just say "well, he's hurt, let him bleed out." They were kept from rendering aid by the idiot continuing to shoot at them.

quoted for ignorance

 

[smackababy]

quoted for ignorance

You're right, one killed himself (accidentally, apparently) and the other bled out before ambulances could arrive. Neither of which fit the "just let him die" scenario.

 

[mizzou]

#JusticeForZemir is apparently starting to trend now

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html

 

[rudeguy]

You're right, one killed himself (accidentally, apparently) and the other bled out before ambulances could arrive. Neither of which fit the "just let him die" scenario.

oooh...someone learned how to Google! So cute!

Next time do that before posting.

 

[TechBoyJK]

#JusticeForZemir is apparently starting to trend now

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html

Good. His death is remarkably more tragic and fucked up and violent and a result of the state of racism and violence in St. Louis.

Dude got beaten to death with hammers by a pack of feral kids.

 

[smackababy]

Good. His death is remarkably more tragic and fucked up and violent and a result of the state of racism and violence in St. Louis.

Dude got beaten to death with hammers by a pack of feral kids.

Very few people care about that kind of stuff though. CNN won't even report it as having the remote chance of being racially motivated. But, you know they wouldn't hesitate to fuel the flames had the races been reversed.

 

[mizzou]

Good. His death is remarkably more tragic and fucked up and violent and a result of the state of racism and violence in St. Louis.

Dude got beaten to death with hammers by a pack of feral kids.

The big issue we have right now is that we NEED to have that open and free ground to talk about these issues. LET the racists on both ends have a public discussion about the whole thing. We have to admit that there is still a significant portion of people everywhere that ARE racist and will BE racist. We need to see that, instead of hiding it under the rug and pretending it doesn't exist.

Once we see what the reality of the nation is, we can see how utterly stupid it is to continue this fucked up mentality. Poverty breeds crime. POVERTY, not the color of your skin or the way you speak. The more we allow people to think it is a racial issue, we keep getting these Handsupdontshoot ridiculous movements where one side is right, and the other side is wrong...or one side is GOOD and the other EVIL.

I feel so bad for the Bosnian's in St. Louis. If any of the youth out there protesting had lived through any of the shit they lived through, they would realize how much they look like spoiled brats.

 

[smackababy]

I think a large problem is that, despite issues not being racist, we get blasted that it is an issue. If you were 5 or 6 and all you heard was that a white cop got away with killing Michael Brown, could you understand the evidence, or even hear it over the voices of those shouting racism? Would that not plant a seed of hatred towards, at the very least, police?

 

[rudder]

Very few people care about that kind of stuff though. CNN won't even report it as having the remote chance of being racially motivated. But, you know they wouldn't hesitate to fuel the flames had the races been reversed.

Imagine if Zemir had a CCW and fired at the teens after he was hit with a hammer. St. Louis would be burned to the ground during the ensuing riots.

 

[CZroe]

I need someone to help me figure out how I feel about this situation.

1. I don't understand how a cop could think the best way to handle the situation was to shoot an unarmed person. He has a taser, baton, maybe less than lethal rounds for a shotgun, a radio to call for backup...all kinds of options besides firing multiple volleys at an unarmed person. Maybe the first shots when he was in his car and had no time to think but when he chased after Brown, knowing that Brown was dangerous, why not call for backup and follow him until he had help?

It has been established that he didn't have a taser and a taser would have been the WRONG tool to use when being rushed (only one shot at a moving target who will be armed almost as soon as you miss). Why do people keep assuming that officers always carry tasers like sidearms?! He had what was on him: His sidearm. No shotgun, and no opportunity to switch to non-lethal rounds. That stuff is for crowd/riot control anyway, not self defense. You do not point your gun unless you are ready to shoot and kill your target. Now, you ask "why not" as if he DIDN'T call for backup when he did. That was the first thing he did. Backup arrived 30 seconds after the shooting. What world do you live in where backup is instant?! And stop saying "unarmed" as if it has so much meaning. Brown was trying to take his gun TO arm himself. The earlier shots in the vehicle were not because he didn't have time to think, but because Brown tried to take the gun and they had a struggle. If Wilson did not shoot dead when he did then Brown would have been armed in seconds. Do you wait until that happens to fight back? With WHAT?!

Even without knowing those things, you must not have a good imagination to consider them.

2. How can Brown's family and the media portray him as a "gentle giant"? I watched him not being so gentle right before he was shot. Exactly how can you be gentle but rob and bully people?

Same goes for Trayvon. He was a violent ADULT and an experienced street fighter who was almost the exact same age as Michael Brown, but they didn't let people know that and only allowed pics of him as a 12 year old.

3. How does rioting, stealing, arson, interrupting transit, shutting down malls do anything to even begin to fix anything? If the argument is a white cop shooting a black guy, why were so many snot nosed white kids out there causing mayhem?

Delusion.

4. Why is the federal government poking into this? Why did Brown's parents go to the UN?

I just don't get it.

The mostly anti-gun world willingly let their perception get tainted by the media. They already demonize the American government and they think that this proves them right about everything.

"Poor unarmed boy! This wouldn't have happened except for gung-ho American gun-slinging! We can't let them police the world if this is how they police themselves!"

 

[CZroe]

Again...I totally understand chasing him. I do not understand chasing him and then shooting him.

Well, guess what: He did chase him. You already said you were OK with that. Now, what are you OK with now that Wilson is away from the vehicle with nothing but his gun when Brown stops, ignores his commands to stop, and starts charging him? Remember: Brown has already demonstrated that he has more than enough strength to get the gun away from Wilson. It really is this simple: As a result of running after him, which you support, he HAD to shoot him to protect his own life. He put his life at risk by chasing him and get's no respect in return because people like you ignore that. It is a clear-cut justifiable self-defense shooting. Period.

You have drank way too much koolaid.

I am trained in advanced 1st aid and CPR, I totally understand rendering aid. However I would not use my hollow point rounds to render aid.

...but you WOULD use them to defend your life if the person you were after (to render aid or to protect the public: doesn't matter) turned on you with lethal intent... right? Now do you understand?