Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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DucatiMonster696

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Justice dept clears wilson of any wrong doing.

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Here you go for those who need a link.

"Justice Dept. to Recommend No Civil Rights Charges in Ferguson Shooting"


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html


Federal investigators interviewed more than 200 people and analyzed cellphone audio and video, the law enforcement officials said. Officer Wilson’s gun, clothing and other evidence were analyzed at the F.B.I.’s laboratory in Quantico, Va. Though the local authorities and Mr. Brown’s family conducted autopsies, Mr. Holder ordered a separate autopsy, which was conducted by pathologists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner’s office at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, the officials said.

The federal investigation did not uncover any facts that differed significantly from the evidence made public by the authorities in Missouri late last year, the law enforcement officials said. To bring federal civil rights charges, the Justice Department would have needed to prove that Officer Wilson had intended to violate Mr. Brown’s rights when he had opened fire and that he had done so willfully.
 

LegendKiller

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Of course they were going to clear him. Do you think they would want to put him under trial and have the whole sham unravel? This way it allows idiots to keep talking "hands up, don't shoot" and stupid shit like that.
 

Greenman

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game set match



Cliffs:

Mike Brown was a dumbass

Absolutely accurate and concise summation of the events up to this point. Won't change any minds though. The folks that believe Brown was "gunned down" as the title of this thread inaccurately states, will never let it go.
 

Darwin333

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Cops were reasonably sure she was not there by the second interview, but excluding witnesses who were not actually witnesses would have meant denying many anti-Wilson "witnesses" which would have been gasoline on the fire.

This is why we need a standardized process which removes local authorities from the process, but maintains customary standards.

Or we could just make it illegal to lie under oath to grand juries.... oh wait, nevermind I guess, carry on.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
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And show me the law for cases that ARE normal and let us see if it says what you assume it says.

Perjury, its a crime! Like serisouly dude, you should totally look it up!

My gripe isn't with the GJ decision, its with the DA not indicting people he admits that he knows committed felonies. Why do some people get to commit felonies, blatantly spitting in the face of the damn DA, and walk away scott free while others commit mere misdemeanors and get charged? Why are people like you for selective enforcement of the law? Or do you think the law doesn't matter as long as it gives you the outcome you desire?

So how should the law be applied in your opinion? Which groups of people should get passes on certain laws and which shouldn't?

Fwiw, the GJ reached the right decision. Has absolutely nothing to do with the other crimes committed.
 

Darwin333

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CZroe

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Perjury, its a crime! Like serisouly dude, you should totally look it up!

My gripe isn't with the GJ decision, its with the DA not indicting people he admits that he knows committed felonies. Why do some people get to commit felonies, blatantly spitting in the face of the damn DA, and walk away scott free while others commit mere misdemeanors and get charged? Why are people like you for selective enforcement of the law? Or do you think the law doesn't matter as long as it gives you the outcome you desire?

So how should the law be applied in your opinion? Which groups of people should get passes on certain laws and which shouldn't?

Fwiw, the GJ reached the right decision. Has absolutely nothing to do with the other crimes committed.

"Perjury?" You aren't following. I asked him to show me that what normally happens in a Grand Jury was also "law" (prosecutor can only provide evidence supporting the indictment BY LAW). My point was that what is "normal" does not dictate law. He drew several conclusions by assuming it was law. I asked him to stop assuming and show me. He didn't/couldn't.

Now: WTF are you going on about?!
 
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Darwin333

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"Perjury?" You aren't following. I asked him to show me that what normally happens in a Grand Jury was also "law" (prosecutor can only provide evidence supporting the indictment BY LAW). My point was that what is "normal" does not dictate law. He drew several conclusions by assuming it was law. I asked him to stop assuming and show me. He didn't/couldn't.

Now: WTF are you going on about?!

The prosecutor admitted that he knew of a felony and has yet refused to bring charges against the person he knew committed a felony, possibly because it would bring his own felonious actions to light.

Quite simple actually. Again, has nothing to do with the outcome of the GJ so you can leave all that "I'm mad at the outcome" shit at the door, I agree with the outcome, I do not agree with people being allowed to get away with breaking black letter law and I especially don't agree with it when a fucking DA knows, and admits to knowing, said felonies were committed.

Edit: I am unfamiliar with the law requiring a prosecutor to only show evidence supporting indictment, could you provide me with a link? Does that law vary by state?
 
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CZroe

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The prosecutor admitted that he knew of a felony and has yet refused to bring charges against the person he knew committed a felony, possibly because it would bring his own felonious actions to light.

Quite simple actually. Again, has nothing to do with the outcome of the GJ so you can leave all that "I'm mad at the outcome" shit at the door, I agree with the outcome, I do not agree with people being allowed to get away with breaking black letter law and I especially don't agree with it when a fucking DA knows, and admits to knowing, said felonies were committed.

Edit: I am unfamiliar with the law requiring a prosecutor to only show evidence supporting indictment, could you provide me with a link? Does that law vary by state?

Once again: You are not following. You quoted me and said something in response to me that wasn't actually in response to what I said! What I said had nothing to do with your "simple" statement about failure to prosecute felonious actions. AFAIK, he's not even the one who does that.

In your edit you are now asking me for exactly what I was asking from ivwshane when you quoted me and started this whole tangential mess. F-O-L-L-O-W
 

Darwin333

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Once again: You are not following. You quoted me and said something in response to me that wasn't actually in response to what I said! What I said had nothing to do with your "simple" statement about failure to prosecute felonious actions. AFAIK, he's not even the one who does that.

In your edit you are now asking me for exactly what I was asking from ivwshane when you quoted me and started this whole tangential mess. F-O-L-L-O-W

My mistake.

My point in the thread still remains, I apologize for you being butthurt at it being lobbied mistakenly at you. Now can you answer the question in my edit or not? Just in case you need it again, I am so very sorry that I replied to the wrong post and I truly hope that you aren't permanently scarred by my mistake. Anything that I can do to help this deep and hurtful injustice go away I will be more than happy to do. Would you like some paste for your ass or something? Maybe some milk and cookies?
 

cubby1223

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Perjury, its a crime! Like serisouly dude, you should totally look it up!

My gripe isn't with the GJ decision, its with the DA not indicting people he admits that he knows committed felonies. Why do some people get to commit felonies, blatantly spitting in the face of the damn DA, and walk away scott free while others commit mere misdemeanors and get charged? Why are people like you for selective enforcement of the law? Or do you think the law doesn't matter as long as it gives you the outcome you desire?

So how should the law be applied in your opinion? Which groups of people should get passes on certain laws and which shouldn't?

Fwiw, the GJ reached the right decision. Has absolutely nothing to do with the other crimes committed.

Why do some people get to commit crimes and not be prosecuted? That's your major point of contention? Are you insane?

I hope you sided with Republicans when Obama declared the federal government would no longer prosecute certain crimes relating to illegal immigration.

Selective prosecution goes on ALL THE TIME. The court systems do not have the capacity to put all crimes on trial. There is a massive logistical problem to overcome before we can even begin to get angry over selective prosecution.

possibly because it would bring his own felonious actions to light.
Then you go and double-down on stupid. Congrats.
 

Londo_Jowo

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He doesn't understand your point, hell! He doesn't even realize the Feds are still doing an investigation.

http://www.northcountrypublicradio....gation-will-remain-independent-holder-insists

Just like the ongoing Zimmerman investigation..........right?

Holder is trying to let all the fools that believe there's snow ball's chance for any civil rights charges against Officer Wilson down easy.

Here you go for those who need a link.

"Justice Dept. to Recommend No Civil Rights Charges in Ferguson Shooting"


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/us/justice-department-ferguson-civil-rights-darren-wilson.html

Called it!!!! How bout them apples ivwshame???
 

Londo_Jowo

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More news about the case.

http://fox2now.com/2015/01/21/judge-rejects-request-for-new-ferguson-grand-jury/

Judge rejects request for new Ferguson grand jury

ST. LOUIS (AP) – A St. Louis County judge has rejected a request by the NAACP’s Legal Defense and Educational Fund to convene a new grand jury to consider charges against the Ferguson police officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown.

The civil rights group says a court administrator responded on behalf of St. Louis County Circuit Judge Maura McShane, whom it had asked in a Jan. 5 letter to also appoint a special prosecutor to oversee the case.

The group had cited concerns about the decision by Prosecuting Attorney Bob McCulloch to allow a witness to provide false testimony, as well as erroneous legal instructions to grand jurors.

The grand jury declined to indict former Ferguson officer Darren Wilson.
 

JockoJohnson

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From the physical evidence I have seen, I completely agree with the Justice Departments findings. Doesn't change the fact that other felonies should have been and still should be prosecuted.

Can they charge Michael Brown with other felonies if he is not alive to dispute them?
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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My mistake.

My point in the thread still remains, I apologize for you being butthurt at it being lobbied mistakenly at you. Now can you answer the question in my edit or not? Just in case you need it again, I am so very sorry that I replied to the wrong post and I truly hope that you aren't permanently scarred by my mistake. Anything that I can do to help this deep and hurtful injustice go away I will be more than happy to do. Would you like some paste for your ass or something? Maybe some milk and cookies?
No one is "butthurt." I'm simply telling you to F-O-L-L-O-W.

The question in your edit was MY QUESTION that you originally responded to. Why are you asking me to answer my own question?! I don't know the answer. I don't know the relevant law or even know that one exists. THAT'S WHY I ASKED HIM. I was tired of him assuming it existed and assuming that it prohibited exculpatory evidence and drawing further conclusions from those assumptions. I don't know how you thought I was talking about witnesses committing perjury or whatever and I don't know why you start demanding that I answer my own question when I point that out.
 
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