Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

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TechBoyJK

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For some reason, a police officer threatening to shoot a journalist, even if it's just with a tazer or beanbag round, still strikes me as being incredibly over the top. Since when is "turn the light off or you're getting shot with this" an acceptable police response?

If it's the same instance from last night, the cops were actively getting shot at.

The vice news stream from last night had a cop basically apologizing for being forceful to the journalist and cameraman but that there was 'live fire coming at us so you need to get away from us for your own safety.'

I think the cops were trying to push people away because the cops were targets.
 
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Nothing is irking me more about this right now than people like the president talking about right to "Peaceful protest". The moment a molotov cocktail gets thrown, there is no peaceful protest - and regardless of your original intent you are now a part of a mob that deserves to be shot at IMO.

That has pretty much been what has happened every single night of their "peaceful" protests. In addition to looting and setting fires to buildings.
 

cubby1223

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Give it a few more days and this town will be old news, nearly completely forgotten by the country.

That, I think, is the primary goal of the protestors, to not be forgotten. And the mindset is we have to help cause greater and more spectacular news stories.

But, if you do outlandish things, act on pure emotion, do what people in this thread have done which is hate based on past biases, whatever underlying message you were trying to stick in people's minds, it will be forgotten - you will be forgotten.
 

TechBoyJK

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Nothing is irking me more about this right now than people like the president talking about right to "Peaceful protest". The moment a molotov cocktail gets thrown, there is no peaceful protest - and regardless of your original intent you are now a part of a mob that deserves to be shot at IMO.

That has pretty much been what has happened every single night of their "peaceful" protests. In addition to looting and setting fires to buildings.

The PD is telling protesters that it would be nice to just protest during the day because so far daytime protests are mostly love and community and as soon as nightfall comes, shit goes down hill and the crazies come out and lash out under cover of the protests.
 

CitizenKain

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For some reason, a police officer threatening to shoot a journalist, even if it's just with a tazer or beanbag round, still strikes me as being incredibly over the top. Since when is "turn the light off or you're getting shot with this" an acceptable police response?

It isn't, but the police have been making dumbshit decisions for the last week when handling crowds. Cops have been instigating all kinds of shit and if it wasn't for the media being there it would all be swept under the rug.
 
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The PD is telling protesters that it would be nice to just protest during the day because so far daytime protests are mostly love and community and as soon as nightfall comes, shit goes down hill and the crazies come out and lash out under cover of the protests.

That explains things then. And I can completely understand the curfew.

I'm all for peaceful protesting. But as I said, the moment someone throws a bomb, fires a gun, etc... you're in a crowd of people that is guilty. The police aren't going to know where to target - so you ALL better disperse (go home) immediately.
 

WackyDan

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If it's the same instance from last night, the cops were actively getting shot at.

The vice news stream from last night had a cop basically apologizing for being forceful to the journalist and cameraman but that there was 'live fire coming at us so you need to get away from us for your own safety.'

I think the cops were trying to push people away because the cops were targets.

That is the key phrase right there. They don't want the journalists getting hurt and then have the police called out on it. This is potentially different from the other night when it seemed the police were actively trying to suppress the media...Some of that was overblown in my opinion, but meh.
 

Bitek

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Explain to all of us why the police were called by a citizen in the store to report the strong arm robbery.

He may have paid for something, but then it seems like he had an argument with the man behind the counter and grabbed a bunch of additional shit.

The indecent at the store makes little sense at this point other than to be flame bait.

Why would you buy stuff at a store you were robbing? Some bullshit happened, by certainly not worth killing people for.

If every confrontation with an officer was justification for shooting, literally every episode of Cops would end with dead people. Same with Jail.

Drunk/crazy/high/violent fools is what are trusting and paid to deal with in an appropriate way that ensures the safety of everyone including those bring arrested (often for their own safety as much as the public's).

The FPD had so far displayed a stunning lack of competence in their duty of providing public safety
 

LTC8K6

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For some reason, a police officer threatening to shoot a journalist, even if it's just with a tazer or beanbag round, still strikes me as being incredibly over the top. Since when is "turn the light off or you're getting shot with this" an acceptable police response?

2 shot, 31 arrested, heavy gunfire...

Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri Highway Patrol, who is in charge of security in Ferguson, said bottles and Molotov cocktails were thrown from the crowd and that some officers had come under heavy gunfire. At least two people were shot and 31 were arrested, he said. He did not have condition updates on those who were shot. Johnson said four officers were injured by rocks or bottles.

http://news.yahoo.com/police-protesters-collide-again-ferguson-071214374.html
 

LTC8K6

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For some reason, a police officer threatening to shoot a journalist, even if it's just with a tazer or beanbag round, still strikes me as being incredibly over the top. Since when is "turn the light off or you're getting shot with this" an acceptable police response?

Blinding the police, and spotlighting them, while they are getting shot at, generally pisses the police off, since it is adding to the threat to their lives.
 

Jmman

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I wonder what the rioting is going to be when the officer that shot brown is either not charged or is acquitted at trial? Probably going to find out soon enough.....
 

LTC8K6

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I wonder what the rioting is going to be when the officer that shot brown is either not charged or is acquitted at trial? Probably going to find out soon enough.....

I was thinking that if they let him leave the state, that is an indication that he will not be charged.
 

LTC8K6

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I wonder what the rioting is going to be when the officer that shot brown is either not charged or is acquitted at trial? Probably going to find out soon enough.....

If he has a broken eye socket, I can't imagine him being charged...
 

LTC8K6

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Must be nice to be able to shoot someone and then skip town until whenever. If that had been Wilson's body in the street, Mike Brown wouldn't have made it to trial.

Well, if he broke Wilson's eye socket then that is probably that.
 

Jaskalas

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Must be nice to be able to shoot someone and then skip town until whenever. If that had been Wilson's body in the street, Mike Brown wouldn't have made it to trial.

You don't honestly think he has skipped the reach of American justice, do you? He's probably not getting on a flight to Russia anytime soon.

If anything, he has been moved for his own safety. Why would you object to that?
 
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TerryMathews

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Must be nice to be able to shoot someone and then skip town until whenever. If that had been Wilson's body in the street, Mike Brown wouldn't have made it to trial.
There's a difference between fleeing from justice and hiding from and angry black mob.

You don't think the police know where he is? There's probably two guarding the door where ever he's hiding.
 

Attic

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Wilson's broken face should have got out earlier and ahead of this meltdown.

An officer being assaulted and then bullrushed by a 6'4" 300lb man who just assaulted a store clerk gives a different tone to the fatal shooting of Brown than,

"Black teen just trying to get home with his friend was murdered!!! gunned down!!! in cold blood in the street by white officer!!!!"

Perhaps there's been a slight selective distribution of information here that the media has been complicit in, but a distribution of information that has been heavily manipulated by the typical schemers?

TM 2.0 and the same crew is behind this pathetic attempt to extort money out of the trajedy and they are using the same dirty tricks.

The "Hands up Don't Shoot" Tee shirts were pressed before they even landed. I'd expect information about Trademarks based on this shooting will come about at some point, the timing of which will be interesting.


It looks that race had very little to do with this, but that's the premise the entire thing has been sold on to the point of injuries in the protests and numerous arrests and the worst part is it gave a platform to all the real racists to start offering why it's all "whities" fault. Pathetic.

Duke Lacross
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Twana Brawley
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The real perps have been consistent through each of these shams.
 
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Adrenaline

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whoa.

if true again leads more evidence to a justified shooting. love to hear what Eric holder finds..

The damage would have had to happen in the car when he grabbed at Brown. Drawing your weapon to make him stop would have been the next step. Once outside the car it is going to become a matter of, did he shoot to defend himself from a charging young man that just broke his eye socket or did he shoot to kill a young man that just broke his eye socket while the young man was surrendering?

Based upon the article posted.
 

LTC8K6

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The damage would have had to happen in the car when he grabbed at Brown. Drawing your weapon to make him stop would have been the next step. Once outside the car it is going to become a matter of, did he shoot to defend himself from a charging young man that just broke his eye socket or did he shoot to kill a young man that just broke his eye socket while the young man was surrendering?

Based upon the article posted.

You mean in the car when Brown attacked the officer?

If Brown hit him that hard, Wilson may have been woozy and more vulnerable to another attack from Brown.

Also unable to shoot well.

I think it shifts the scenario over to "officer is most likely telling the truth", though.
 
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