Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[Druidx]

Saw this on another forum, don't know if it's true or not: "And as far as the reporter with the Twitter feed of those alleged 12 witnesses -- she is a crime reporter who has now been suspended from her job because of this tweet which did not meet the credibility standards of the newspaper."

If true, there goes the dozen witnesses that agree with the officer's account.

I'm curious where you read that at, I've seen the same info posted 3 different places but none include any links to back up the story. I think it may be fake, after all nothing happen to the guy who tweeted earplugs were rubber bullets.

 

[Attic]

Are you suggesting that white people have some kind of special "white card" that allows them to take goods out of a store without having to shove the store clerk?

Well you would be right! Its called a debit card :awe:

Probably poor context on my part. I'm suggesting that there are verifiable stats that may be indicating to us with some certainty that the deck is stacked against persons of a certain race and/or socio economic status.

Ms Kelly outlines some of this (super hot want to touch the heini).

In the real world what it suggests to me is that under privelaged blacks and those raised in poverty have to work harder to get an equal lot in life. It's a double whammy against poor black youth. Frustrations build up and erupt.

When an incident occurs like that of TM or MB I think that the message and some of the truth and solutions gets perverted

 

[Londo_Jowo]

What was shown on tape again?

Want to be accurate or make shit up?

Here's what the St Louis Country DA had to say about what constitutes a strong-arm robbery.

What is strong-arm robbery?

St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch gave the following definition for strong-arm robbery:

"The use of physical force in a robbery. If someone is stealing, and another person makes an attempt to stop them, and then physical force is used to complete the act that is strong-arm robbery.

No doubt Michael Browns actions met this definition.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm curious where you read that at, I've seen the same info posted 3 different places but none include any links to back up the story. I think it may be fake, after all nothing happen to the guy who tweeted earplugs were rubber bullets.

After some more digging, she is on leave, not suspended, and she herself tweeted that her earlier tweet (about the 12 witnesses) didn't meet the standards for publication.

edit: this info came from a right-wing site.

 

[ivwshane]

When there are restrictions on a law, such as referring to "subsection 2", you must also follow the restrictions, what does subsection 1 and 2 say?

Lol! Your lack of reading comprehension skills sheds some light on your capability as an admin and now I understand your pm's perfectly.

Had either of you idiots bothered to read what was posted with regards to MO law, you would have seen the many restrictions there are with regards to when force can be used. Can you point to the specifics of the law that would have applied in this case? Be careful, read slowly and read the restrictions completely, I don't want you two to make even bigger fools of yourselves.


Oh and by all means bffix show me where I've been pwned seeing as how you have me on ignore! Lol! Fucking tool!


You may NOT bring any poster's mod status into the convo when they are posting as a mere member.

Perknose
Forum Director

Seriously man? I not only provided the link, I busted it out of into this thread and broke it down for you. Then you have the audacity to state I lack reading comprehension skills? You further double down on stupid when others all point out the exact same thing to you as you continue to make a fool of yourself.

As for your previous post of challenging others about you making up shit, I JUST proved you made up shit and called you out on it. You made up shit stating that the clerk has no right to stop Brown during his burglary attempt. That right there is wrong and complete made up shit. I proved you wrong and in the the words of another poster, PWNED you on it.

Are you going to man up or triple down on stupid?

Yeah sorry guy, I missed your response to my question the first time I asked. You did indeed clarify like I had asked. Unforunately I didn't see your response as I came back to this thread two pages later.

To recap:
I read the law, I interpreted it differently, I was called out on it, I asked for clarification, you gave the clarification, I was called out again, I again asked for clarification, it was semi clarified to me, I then asked for specifics, I was then given the info I asked for.

Thanks for setting me straight!

 

[HumblePie]

Nice man up at least.

 

[ivwshane]

Nice man up at least.

I have no problem admiting when I'm wrong. None! Had I not missed your original post I would have admitted being wrong even sooner

 

[Riparian]

I have no problem admiting when I'm wrong. None! Had I not missed your original post I would have admitted being wrong even sooner

You're going to make the internet implode with all of that admission. Hat tip to you.

 

[ivwshane]

You're going to make the internet implode with all of that admission. Hat tip to you.

:|

You should have saw the thread where I had to correct myself self pwnage

 

[HumblePie]

I am surprised to say I had to correct you in the first place. It is pretty common knowledge that anyone can use some level of force to prevent or stop most crimes in progress anywhere in America. Heck in most countries this is the law. That isn't the same as using deadly force as that isn't allowed everywhere, but reasonable force is.

 

[bshole]

Have any of you seen/heard that Wilson fired 10 or more shots at Brown in two volleys? There was a recording of it on CNN.

Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.

There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.

 

[ivwshane]

I am surprised to say I had to correct you in the first place. It is pretty common knowledge that anyone can use some level of force to prevent or stop most crimes in progress anywhere in America. Heck in most countries this is the law. That isn't the same as using deadly force as that isn't allowed everywhere, but reasonable force is.

Sorry, I live a sheltered life and I don't deal with the police very often nor do I know anyone that's had a run in with the law and I live in a pretty safe place.

The law seems like it leaves a lot up to interpretation which in my mind makes for a bad law.

Oh well.

 

[ivwshane]

Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.

There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.

I didn't hear the audio, can you hear the initial shot that was supposedly shot from inside the vehicle?

 

[HumblePie]

Sorry, I live a sheltered life and I don't deal with the police very often nor do I know anyone that's had a run in with the law and I live in a pretty safe place.

The law seems like it leaves a lot up to interpretation which in my mind makes for a bad law.

Oh well.

Not really. Even terms like "reasonable force" are defined elsewhere with examples sometimes of what is considered reasonable. You have to look at the glossary of definitions for most laws. When you've read enough law books, you get a feel usually for the language that laws are typically written in, although there are still surprises here and there.

Then there is case law and precedents to use to demonstrate applications of various laws per judicial rulings.

Still many laws are based upon fairly easily to follow and demonstrable logic. For example, if someone is stealing from someone else it is natural to realize that taking from another is wrong, thus against the law, and the person being stole from is going to do their best to prevent being stolen from, thus protection by the law for use of force.

 

[LegendKiller]

Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.

There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.

You can run a football field in 10 seconds?

 

[LegendKiller]

Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.

There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.

You can run a football field in 10 seconds? You can run almost 21mph? You think a 300lb guy can do that?

 

[HumblePie]

You can run a football field in 10 seconds?

LOL highly doubt it. Those highly trained in running can do 100 yards in about 10 seconds. Brown didn't look like the average trained sprinter.

 

[Attic]

Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.

There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.

How many shots in the 2nd volley?

If we are working on corroborating Johnson's account with this info (appears to), then first volley while fleeing, 2nd volley while surrenduring to officer.

Given autopsy results. 2nd volley would need to be 4-5 shots that all made contact with Brown's front. The first volley nearly all missing (none or maybe one to browns back).

Shots landed to brown.

1 - Car (location unknown, upper right chest area suspected)
4 - For sure to front
1 - Either to back or front (would have to look back at autospy, which area indicated possibility of Brown fleeing while stuck?)

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rARBZyGJSSs

Roughly 7-8 seconds total between 2 volleys. I hear 4 shots second volley. Why only release 12 seconds?, is there a full audio release, where's first shot? When was this info known, significance of releasing it now?

Protests tonight?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Could be the first volley stunned MB and this is where witnesses saw him stumble. If he continued to come at the officer that when he would have let go with the second volley. The one unknowingly recorded witness said the following and it would fit the gun shots.

#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him&#8221

 

[xBiffx]

If that audio is in fact from the shooting, I'm really not sure what it does to prove or disprove much of anything.

I mean, its conceivable (and highly likely) that the officer missed, even more than once. Also, the officer is going to keep firing until the threat is neutralized.

So again, what does that audio serve to prove/disprove at this point?

 

[Attic]

Could be the first volley stunned MB and this is where witnesses saw him stumble. If he continued to come at the officer that when he would have let go with the second volley. The one unknowingly recorded witness said the following and it would fit the gun shots.

Wilson's initial account should note the pause and explain the pause.


This info come out now and grand jury already sitting/listening?

 

[Pens1566]

How many shots in the 2nd volley?

If we are working on corroborating Johnson's account with this info (appears to), then first volley while fleeing, 2nd volley while surrenduring to officer.

Given autopsy results. 2nd volley would need to be 4-5 shots that all made contact with Brown's front. The first volley nearly all missing (none or maybe one to browns back).

Shots landed to brown.

1 - Car (location unknown, upper right chest area suspected)
4 - For sure to front
1 - Either to back or front (would have to look back at autospy, which area indicated possibility of Brown fleeing while stuck?)

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rARBZyGJSSs

Roughly 7-8 seconds total between 2 volleys. I hear 4 shots second volley. Why only release 12 seconds?, is there a full audio release, where's first shot? When was this info known, significance of releasing it now?

Protests tonight?

Story on CNN has 4 shots in 2nd set of shots.

 

[Druidx]

Just a few possible problems with the audio recording.
1) Why did it only now come out
2) How will they authenticate it, is it even possible
3) Any chance some of the shots are echos
4) Strange that the guy talks right over the shots like nothing happened

As always, the most interesting fact is how both sides view the same piece of possible evidence, completely differently.

 

[xBiffx]

4) Strange that the guy talks right over the shots like nothing happened

That's the detail that got me. But then again, its Ferguson, this is nothing new to them.

This whole thing is a red herring anyways.

 

[HomerJS]

Here's what the St Louis Country DA had to say about what constitutes a strong-arm robbery.

No doubt Michael Browns actions met this definition.

You people are so thick I have to repeat myself. The video caught Brown shoving the clerk not taking the cigars w/o paying.

I was directly refuting someone here making shit up. Again the video did not record Brown stealing the cigars.

That was my main point lying makes getting to the truth harder