Just a few possible problems with the audio recording.
1) Why did it only now come out
2) How will they authenticate it, is it even possible
3) Any chance some of the shots are echos
4) Strange that the guy talks right over the shots like nothing happened
As always, the most interesting fact is how both sides view the same piece of possible evidence, completely differently.
Sure did, shooting took a total of 10 seconds. There was one volley, a wait of 4 seconds and then another volley. Murder in the 1st degree, absolutely no doubt. There is your smoking gun. This blows up the lies we have been receiving from the Ferguson police department for the past few weeks. I can't believe that I bought them for awhile. I hope they got some testimony under oath so we can get some of these corrupt fuckers for lying under oath.
There is no way he charged that cop. No charge takes 10 seconds (thats a fucking hundred yard dash). Somebody had it computed at 1 or 2 seconds at most.
You people are so thick I have to repeat myself. The video caught Brown shoving the clerk not taking the cigars w/o paying.
I was directly refuting someone here making shit up. Again the video did not record Brown stealing the cigars.
That was my main point lying makes getting to the truth harder
You people are so thick I have to repeat myself. The video caught Brown shoving the clerk not taking the cigars w/o paying.
I was directly refuting someone here making shit up. Again the video did not record Brown stealing the cigars.
That was my main point lying makes getting to the truth harder
Not really. Even terms like "reasonable force" are defined elsewhere with examples sometimes of what is considered reasonable. You have to look at the glossary of definitions for most laws. When you've read enough law books, you get a feel usually for the language that laws are typically written in, although there are still surprises here and there.
Then there is case law and precedents to use to demonstrate applications of various laws per judicial rulings.
Still many laws are based upon fairly easily to follow and demonstrable logic. For example, if someone is stealing from someone else it is natural to realize that taking from another is wrong, thus against the law, and the person being stole from is going to do their best to prevent being stolen from, thus protection by the law for use of force.
No, you're the one that is so thick. Why would the clerk attempt to stop him if he paid for the cigars? Had MB lived he would be looking at strong-arm robbery charges.
For clarification I'm taking about interpretation of what a threat is. For example, in one of the scenarios there is a perceived threat that someone was walking towards their car for the purpose of keying it, how does the person know that's what is about to happen?
To relate it to this case. The clerk may have thought brown had stolen merchandise but that doesn't mean he did. Are store clerks allowed to stop people from leaving their store just because they think someone stole something or because someone might steal something despite not having seen the actual theft take place? There are lots of real world and anecdotal evidence why this is bad.
Anyway, it's neither here or there so no point in discussing this further, the law is the law.
You people are so thick I have to repeat myself. The video caught Brown shoving the clerk not taking the cigars w/o paying.
I was directly refuting someone here making shit up. Again the video did not record Brown stealing the cigars.
That was my main point lying makes getting to the truth harder
Depends on the state, I don't know about MO, but I work at a store in CA and I cannot detain a person leaving the store for any reason.
Depends on the state, I don't know about MO, but I work at a store in CA and I cannot detain a person leaving the store for any reason.
I think a lot of it is racial politics - Obama sees this as an issue he can use to get his base to hatin' (and votin').it kinda pisses me off that the Obama admin is sending people and getting involved in this. this is a local issue not a national one that the feds need to get involved with. Why did they not send a delegation to the funeral of Dillon Taylor who was a unarmed white kid gunned down by a black cop just days after Brown was shot?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...lls-unarmed-white-youth-media-and-feds-silent
Yeah, it's mostly interesting in the juxtaposition.I saw news of this and thought WTF Charles? Though turns out at least 2 of the 3 are super understandable.
While black people undoubtedly are more important than white people to Obama and Holder, I think a lot of it is explained by the relative political usefulness of the events. There is no political advantage to Obama bashing the cops over shooting an unarmed white teenager; there may be a political advantage to Obama in bashing the cops over shooting an unarmed black teenager.That's because black people are more important than white people to a black president and AG. It's why he sent Holder out to meet with Nelly and the family.
I think a lot of it is racial politics - Obama sees this as an issue he can use to get his base to hatin' (and votin').
Besides that, when a white cop kills an unarmed black teenager, a lot of black folks scream "racism". When a black cop kills an unarmed white teenager, most white folks say "dumb ass". This gives all politicians incentive to pay more lip service at the least to the former.
Yeah, it's mostly interesting in the juxtaposition.
While black people undoubtedly are more important than white people to Obama and Holder, I think a lot of it is explained by the relative political usefulness of the events. There is no political advantage to Obama bashing the cops over shooting an unarmed white teenager; there may be a political advantage to Obama in bashing the cops over shooting an unarmed black teenager.
This is the best video I've seen to date:
http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news/see-surveillance-video-from-alleged-brown-robbery-318508099932
Is their audio? What is being said?
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.
"I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up."
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Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.
"It's the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless -- he has no weapon," said Chestnut.
More info on the murder shoot:
wait so why is this 100 yard dash shit even valid? Yes no 300lb man can run 100 yards in 10 seconds. But brown was like 25 feet away, a 300lb man could cover 25 feet in 10 seconds easy. So it's either
1. Brown didn't charge the officer or
2. Brown was actually 100 yards away, which if true the officer should be jailed for wreck-lessly discharging his firearm or something along those lines. You don't fucking shoot at people 100 yards away with a pistol.
The question is, is that state law or your employer's policy?Depends on the state, I don't know about MO, but I work at a store in CA and I cannot detain a person leaving the store for any reason.
I'm guessing because he's too stupid to actually offend anybody. Shame, he used to be capable of rational thoughts.Why aren't you banned?
I heard that too. Not sure if it affects the murder case, although it may get Wilson in hot water as it could represent him shooting at Brown running away, followed by shooting at Brown facing him. Not sure if it affects the murder case because it could be interpreted as Wilson resuming fire because Brown turned and began charging or as Wilson pausing and then deciding to shoot the guy anyway, even though he's attempting to give up.Have any of you seen/heard that Wilson fired 10 or more shots at Brown in two volleys? There was a recording of it on CNN.
Story given was that the clerk was attempting to get past Brown and lock the door so that Brown couldn't leave with the stolen cigars. As with almost everything in this case, YMMV.That is two out of the 3 cameras that were pointing at the scene during that time. Not sure why we don't have the 3rd camera angle yet.
Still, from what I saw, at no point does Brown reach into his pocket to pull out any form of payment. Nor does his friend. In fact, the first thing Brown does upon reaching the counter while waiting for the clerk to come behind the counter is clasp his empty hands behind his back. At that point in time we can see there is no payment in his hands at all. He looks to be handed 3 boxes of cigars by the clerk to which he hands those over to his friend behind him. Brown then reaches over the counter to snatch the cardboard box containing the cigar boxes and jerks that to him. Some of the cigar boxes go falling to the ground at that action. Brown places the cardboard box, which still contains a few cigar boxes, back upon the counter. His friend places the original cigar boxes Brown handed him back upon the counter as well. Brown then bends over to pick up all the cigar boxes that fell upon the floor into his hands. At that point he starts walking for the door.
From there you can see it does not look like his friend actually "stole" cigar boxes as he placed them back upon the counter. Doesn't mean he's not an accessory to any criminal activity that Brown may have done.
What I find strange is that upon jerking the cardboard box, The clerk starts walking to the door immediately. In fact, the clerk just walks in not so much of a hurry in front of Brown towards the door while Brown in the middle of picking up the fallen cigar boxes off the floor. This is a bit strange to me for the clerk to do that.
Story given was that the clerk was attempting to get past Brown and lock the door so that Brown couldn't leave with the stolen cigars. As with almost everything in this case, YMMV.
Why can't people acknowledge that the audio, if its even authentic, is just another red herring brought to you by the sensationalizing and instigating fuckups at CNN?
The shot count, the pause, the rate of fire or anything else on the recording changes absolutely nothing about the case given the information to date.