To interject a little humor because we could use some lightening up, did anyone find what the guy who recorded the shots was saying amusing? "You touched my tralala" came to mind.
I dont think there are any definitive conclusions to be drawn from the pause but that wont stop either side to characterize it completely differently.
One side will claim it was completely normal, the pause was to adjust his aim or to see if there was still a threat. While the other side will claim it as proof of cold blooded murder.
For my 2 cents, I dont think people should read too much into what an AUDIO expect claims the pause means, thats not his job or specialty.
I don't think it's necessarily a red herring. By itself it means nothing. If however it can be established that Brown was facing Wilson for both volleys AND was hit in roughly the same location, then the recording may be the difference between an officer firing a lot of shots from adrenaline and the officer consciously deciding to kill a young man. Two volleys/one blood area indicates maybe not charging. Same if there are two areas of bloodshed and Brown fell at the farther one, which would at the least indicate that Brown was first shot while fleeing.Why can't people acknowledge that the audio, if its even authentic, is just another red herring brought to you by the sensationalizing and instigating fuckups at CNN?
The shot count, the pause, the rate of fire or anything else on the recording changes absolutely nothing about the case given the information to date.
I had the same thoughts when I watched it. I saw no obvious attempt to reach and lock the door. Nor can I see any reason he would assume that Brown would not simply take his keys and unlock the door if he did lock it. I wouldn't even swear that it's not as someone previously speculated, the clerk just demanding ID - although personally I saw no exchange of money in the videos. But that's the official story.If the clerk was trying to lock the door, why did he just saunter his way over to it? He could have easily made it to the door to lock it before Brown got near it from the relative actions both were taking. Even at the door the clerk's behavior is a bit strange if his intent was to lock and bar the door. Despite his saunter he slows down further to converse with Brown. Even slowing door he reaches the door first and still takes a moment to say something to Brown before reaching over to pull the door closed.
Even then it's hard to tell if he's actually trying to pull the door closed or keep it open. Because he initially just puts his hand on the door "bar" closet to where it swings open. Normally people put their hands there to keep a door open, and not close it from that spot. The reason he even closes the door because as his hand was there Brown shoves him. He grips the door bar to stay upright but the force of the shove while his hand is gripped on the bar forces the door closed. The clerk technically doesn't close the door, but Brown does because of the shove while the clerk has his hand on the door bar.
Yes the clerk has keys in his hand, but if he was going to lock the door to stop Brown from leaving, then why not reach for the door where the lock is at? That's what most people would do when attempting to close and then lock a door. Just seems strange to me.
*EDIT* actually I assumed keys in the clerk's hand because someone else previously in this thread mentioned they were there. I looked but could see no keys in clerk's hands at all.
I don't think it's necessarily a red herring. By itself it means nothing. If however it can be established that Brown was facing Wilson for both volleys AND was hit in roughly the same location, then the recording may be the difference between an officer firing a lot of shots from adrenaline and the officer consciously deciding to kill a young man. Two volleys/one blood area indicates maybe not charging. Same if there are two areas of bloodshed and Brown fell at the farther one, which would at the least indicate that Brown was first shot while fleeing.
I don't think it's necessarily a red herring. By itself it means nothing. If however it can be established that Brown was facing Wilson for both volleys AND was hit in roughly the same location, then the recording may be the difference between an officer firing a lot of shots from adrenaline and the officer consciously deciding to kill a young man. Two volleys/one blood area indicates maybe not charging. Same if there are two areas of bloodshed and Brown fell at the farther one, which would at the least indicate that Brown was first shot while fleeing.
I don't think it's necessarily a red herring. By itself it means nothing. If however it can be established that Brown was facing Wilson for both volleys AND was hit in roughly the same location, then the recording may be the difference between an officer firing a lot of shots from adrenaline and the officer consciously deciding to kill a young man. Two volleys/one blood area indicates maybe not charging. Same if there are two areas of bloodshed and Brown fell at the farther one, which would at the least indicate that Brown was first shot while fleeing.
Red herring infers deliberately deceiving, and that's not what's going on. It is however stirring the pot for ratings.
There is no way to definitively link the shot pattern succession with the recording. That is, the recording does nothing to explain the shots, where they landed, and what was going on at the time with Wilson or Brown during each shot.
Again, the recording would still do nothing to definitively explain anything as it related to blood patterns. The pause in the recording doesn't mean that there would be a pause in patterns, nor would a pause in pattern necessarily be caused by a pause in shooting.
So again, the recording does nothing to help explain the scene, nothing.
It hasn't been verified, authenticated, or sourced in any way on CNN. I call that a red herring.
It could, if tied to eyewitness testimony, we'll have to wait and see.
Very little has been verified or authenticated or sourced (12 witnesses that agree with the officer comes to mind) yet.
I'm curious where you read that at, I've seen the same info posted 3 different places but none include any links to back up the story. I think it may be fake, after all nothing happen to the guy who tweeted earplugs were rubber bullets.
Why can't people acknowledge that the audio, if its even authentic, is just another red herring brought to you by the sensationalizing and instigating fuckups at CNN?
The shot count, the pause, the rate of fire or anything else on the recording changes absolutely nothing about the case given the information to date.
"To be fair, there could be other explanations for that pause," said attorney Van Jones, co-host of CNN's "Crossfire." "Maybe the officer will say, 'Well, I fired and he kept advancing, so I fired again.' "
Black leaders, including Obama, have gotten involved for a couple of reasons, first to give this general issue some national attention (I'm referring to police injustice), and to keep the situation calm. I have yet to see any black leader not call for a peaceful protest, have you?
To think this is to score political points is ridiculous and disgusting. If you want to see politicians using situations for political purposes I'll be happy to show you what that looks like.
This is the best video I've seen to date:
http://www.nbcnews.com/watch/nbc-news/see-surveillance-video-from-alleged-brown-robbery-318508099932
Is their audio? What is being said?
CNN reports an audio recording caught the gun shots fired at Michael Brown. FBI that are doing the investigation found the audio and it seems to have been 11 shots total fired, with about 7 shots fired in succession then a pause then 4 more shots fired.
Link with audio
Either way it's crazy that the officer almost had to empty his sidearm to stop the guy, he must have barely passed his shooting test. Very lucky no bystanders were hit.
6/11 (if true) would give him better accuracy than the NYPD.Either way it's crazy that the officer almost had to empty his sidearm to stop the guy, he must have barely passed his shooting test. Very lucky no bystanders were hit.
CNN reports an audio recording caught the gun shots fired at Michael Brown.
FBI that are doing the investigation found the audio and it seems to have been 11 shots total fired, with about 7 shots fired in succession then a pause then 4 more shots fired.
Link with audio
Agreed, but that is reasonable with or without the audio tape.If Brown was charging and the kill shot came in the second volley, Brown's momentum would have kept his body going foward. There would be evidence of smearing of the blood on the street as well as abrasion on the exposed skin areas such as the face, arms, and legs.
I think the FBI can verify or disprove the audio recording's relevance. If its provenance holds up, then it can add to a witness' believability or destroy it.There is no way to definitively link the shot succession with the recording. That is, the recording does nothing to explain the shots, where they landed, and what was going on at the time with Wilson or Brown during each shot.
Also, the recording would still do nothing to definitively explain anything as it related to blood patterns. The pause in the recording doesn't mean that there would be a pause in patterns, nor would a pause in pattern necessarily be caused by a pause in shooting.
So again, the recording does nothing to help explain the scene, nothing.
Wow, they not only suspended her for bad reporting, they impregnated her too!Don't know about suspended but apparently she's been on maternity leave since March and isn't due back to work until Sept.
The 4 second pause and then 2nd round is the execution.
Can't see how the pause could be justified.
All of these shots makes it clear that the kid was not very close to the officer either.