Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[mizzou]

color me shocked

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ys_ferguson_protests_boosting_recruitment.php

the kkk is such a caracature of itself, a relic of bygone days. The strange thing is how they have stayed around....i beleive they have such few numbers they are statistically insignificant.

Missouri is, however, one of the states where they have a strong base. Its still a very racially divided state

 

[chucky2]

Grand jury non indictment coming this weekend or more likely on Monday.

Make ready people. Extra mags, rifle, gas filled and for god's sake if rioters/looters are in your path - DO NOT STOP! You car is a very effective and quite deadly weapon, don't lose your momentum and just accelerate through through the hoarde. Self defense laws will protect you.



This "advice" of yours above, bolded by me, is as unacceptable here as it is murderously paranoid.

Perknose
Forum Director

In this case you'd be wrong.

 

[Ns1]

It just keeps getting better, and better, LOL I did not see this posted,(?)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-t-shirts-commemorating-teenager-s-death.html

nobody else LOL'd at MB's mom assaulting/robbing her own MIL?

 

[Linux23]

nobody else LOL'd at MB's mom assaulting/robbing her own MIL?

No! What's was funny?

 

[cubby1223]

No! What's was funny?

The sense of entitlement they both believe is theirs alone.

It's my right to make money commemorating the situation.
NO, it's MY right to form a posse and tear all this shit apart!

 

[cubby1223]

http://news.yahoo.com/family-slain-missouri-teenager-plea-peaceful-protests-154918574.html

"The Brown family sends a passionate plea this morning to law enforcement and to those that support justice for Mike Brown Jr. to allow cooler heads to prevail in times of adversity," Gray said.

I wonder...

Those who rioted, looted, vandalized, and burned places to the ground...

According to the Brown family, there are only two groups of people: law enforcement and MB supporters. I wonder which of these groups they believe those that burned places to the ground are a part of?


It's very easy to be manipulated when you choose to ignore a massively important piece of the situation.

 

[cubby1223]

Given this whole situation, two questions really come to the forefront that people should be asking themselves:

(1) should justice in this country favor people who are on the side of truth, or people who have the power to create truth in the minds of others?
(2) is it proper justice to create your own truth, in order to fight against others who have the power to create their own truth?

 

[TechBoyJK]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multim...tml_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

Awesome timeline. Pretty much shows that Wilson will be acquitted.

 

[ivwshane]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multim...tml_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

Awesome timeline. Pretty much shows that Wilson will be acquitted.

It only shows wilson would be acquitted if you believe his story.


So brown is walking in the middle of the street and wilson, unaware of a description for the strong arm suspect, tells them to get out of the middle of the road. Wilson then realizes that brown matches the description and backs up the SUV where brown is now, and now decides to attack wilson?
I call bullshit.

What most likely occurred was that after Wilson told brown to get out of the street he realized brown could have been the suspect from the robbery, he backs his SUV up where he tries to grab brown through the window so that he can be detained. Brown and wilson struggle, things get out of hand and wilson pulls and fires his gun. Brown freaks out and starts running away, wilson gets out of the SUV and gives chase where he fires a shot, brown turns around and wilson fires more shots as brown stumbles forwards and falls to the ground and dies.

Wilson calls for a supervisor because he knows what he had just done and he knows that there are witnesses.

 

[ivwshane]

Video after the incident and after returning from the hospital:

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/new-police-videos-released-show-uninjured

 

[pcgeek11]

It only shows wilson would be acquitted if you believe his story.


So brown is walking in the middle of the street and wilson, unaware of a description for the strong arm suspect, tells them to get out of the middle of the road. Wilson then realizes that brown matches the description and backs up the SUV where brown is now, and now decides to attack wilson?
I call bullshit.

What most likely occurred was that after Wilson told brown to get out of the street he realized brown could have been the suspect from the robbery, he backs his SUV up where he tries to grab brown through the window so that he can be detained. Brown and wilson struggle, things get out of hand and wilson pulls and fires his gun. Brown freaks out and starts running away, wilson gets out of the SUV and gives chase where he fires a shot, brown turns around and wilson fires more shots as brown stumbles forwards and falls to the ground and dies.

Wilson calls for a supervisor because he knows what he had just done and he knows that there are witnesses.

Of course Your made up story would sound better to You. You made it up.

I believe the grand jury will not press any charges and the Brown " Supporters" will again be all up in riot mode again.

 

[CZroe]

It only shows wilson would be acquitted if you believe his story.


So brown is walking in the middle of the street and wilson, unaware of a description for the strong arm suspect, tells them to get out of the middle of the road. Wilson then realizes that brown matches the description and backs up the SUV where brown is now, and now decides to attack wilson?
I call bullshit.

What most likely occurred was that after Wilson told brown to get out of the street he realized brown could have been the suspect from the robbery, he backs his SUV up where he tries to grab brown through the window so that he can be detained. Brown and wilson struggle, things get out of hand and wilson pulls and fires his gun. Brown freaks out and starts running away, wilson gets out of the SUV and gives chase where he fires a shot, brown turns around and wilson fires more shots as brown stumbles forwards and falls to the ground and dies.

Wilson calls for a supervisor because he knows what he had just done and he knows that there are witnesses.

Yeah, because police TOTALLY expect to detain people through their patrol car windows.

It sounds like you just want to imagine a scenario where Wilson was in he wrong even ignoring reality to get there. Being on a call does not mean you can't hear the description. Coming up behind them, he wouldn't be able to tell that they matched the description. Seeing them in his mirrors after passing makes PERFECT sense, and yet you try to use that as a way to discredit his story. Disgusting.

What "most likely occurred" was that Brown tried the same strong-arm tactics he used at the convenience store and he died for it. Duh. Admit you were wrong and try not to let the media and biased "witnesses" delude you in the future.

 

[cubby1223]

Video after the incident and after returning from the hospital:

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/11/new-police-videos-released-show-uninjured

Yea, that's been making all the news headlines in the past few days. Basically a rehash of a story we argued to death a month ago.

Sketchy leaked information from an unnamed source is not proof of anything. After the initial day, no one believed Wilson suffered an orbital socket blowout. Unless you can identify who leaked the information, this is a total non-story except one to amplify the anger & hatred of the anti-police crowd.

 

[Druidx]

I remember a similar video showing GZ walking around the police station which the Pro-TM crowd proclaimed as proof GZ wasn’t injured, those same people ended up looking stupid when the other police photos were finally released. People are so easily manipulated, such as ivwshane pretending it makes perfect since that the officer would try to detain MB through the window of his SUV. I thought he was being sarcastic at first, since it was such a stupid assumption.

 

[cubby1223]

It really is a rehash of the Zimmerman trial.

The definitive truth will never be known.

If you are positive Wilson murdered Brown, there is nothing that will be presented to absolutely 100% positively definitively without a shred of doubt smack you down. Likewise for the Wilson acted in self-defense crowd.

Anyone who takes the "I am right until you prove me wrong" is a manipulated fool. Sorry, you are.

My personal opinion is while the police most certainly fall short of perfect credibility, the pro-MB side of the argument doesn't have any better credibility, I would actually say they have less, and add to that all the physical damage they have caused, as well as harm to other individual employees of law enforcement and government agencies, and their families, local business owners, etc., if I were King Dictator, short of any direct evidence of murder, this case would be thrown out based on the reckless behavior of the pro-MB crowd. There is no chance left any indirect evidence can be believable.

I can only rely on hope that the prosecuting team is taking the court proceedings far more seriously than the mobs outside demanding angry mob justice. And I will stand by the grand jury decision whichever way it lands.

 

[ivwshane]

Ah I see, so the scenario from the one guy who has everything to lose and that contradicts the one witness that was there from the beginning, must be true because...well I don't know why but I guess I'm the idiot for not believing the story you guys bought.


Upstanding character from a police officer who worked at a police station so corrupt that the city thought it was better to shut it down rather than fix it.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sh...mendment-ill-lock-ass-up-arrests-man-filming/


So yeah, I guess it's crazy to think an officer who just backed his vehicle up would try and detain a robbery suspect through a window, it's certainly crazier than thinking an unarmed man would jump through that same window and start attacking a police officer.

Yeah, because police TOTALLY expect to detain people through their patrol car windows.

It sounds like you just want to imagine a scenario where Wilson was in he wrong even ignoring reality to get there. Being on a call does not mean you can't hear the description. Coming up behind them, he wouldn't be able to tell that they matched the description. Seeing them in his mirrors after passing makes PERFECT sense, and yet you try to use that as a way to discredit his story. Disgusting.

What "most likely occurred" was that Brown tried the same strong-arm tactics he used at the convenience store and he died for it. Duh. Admit you were wrong and try not to let the media and biased "witnesses" delude you in the future.

I remember a similar video showing GZ walking around the police station which the Pro-TM crowd proclaimed as proof GZ wasn’t injured, those same people ended up looking stupid when the other police photos were finally released. People are so easily manipulated, such as ivwshane pretending it makes perfect since that the officer would try to detain MB through the window of his SUV. I thought he was being sarcastic at first, since it was such a stupid assumption.

 

[ivwshane]

It really is a rehash of the Zimmerman trial.

The definitive truth will never be known.

If you are positive Wilson murdered Brown, there is nothing that will be presented to absolutely 100% positively definitively without a shred of doubt smack you down. Likewise for the Wilson acted in self-defense crowd.

Anyone who takes the "I am right until you prove me wrong" is a manipulated fool. Sorry, you are.

My personal opinion is while the police most certainly fall short of perfect credibility, the pro-MB side of the argument doesn't have any better credibility, I would actually say they have less, and add to that all the physical damage they have caused, as well as harm to other individual employees of law enforcement and government agencies, and their families, local business owners, etc., if I were King Dictator, short of any direct evidence of murder, this case would be thrown out based on the reckless behavior of the pro-MB crowd. There is no chance left any indirect evidence can be believable.

I can only rely on hope that the prosecuting team is taking the court proceedings far more seriously than the mobs outside demanding angry mob justice. And I will stand by the grand jury decision whichever way it lands.

Wait, so stating what I believe went down is me saying, "I'm right, prove me wrong", but you stating your opinion isn't saying that?

I gave a version of the events that I think (as in it's just an opinion, like your claims are opinion) happened based on a known timeline which also included the version of events from an actual witness who was there from beginning to end, which you somehow dismiss as not having any direct evidence.

 

[CZroe]

Ah I see, so the scenario from the one guy who has everything to lose and that contradicts the one witness that was there from the beginning, must be true because...well I don't know why but I guess I'm the idiot for not believing the story you guys bought.


Upstanding character from a police officer who worked at a police station so corrupt that the city thought it was better to shut it down rather than fix it.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/sh...mendment-ill-lock-ass-up-arrests-man-filming/


So yeah, I guess it's crazy to think an officer who just backed his vehicle up would try and detain a robbery suspect through a window, it's certainly crazier than thinking an unarmed man would jump through that same window and start attacking a police officer.

So, somewhere in your twisted mind you actually believe Wilson wanted to pull Brown through the window and "then" things got out of hand. Just what do you think Wilson was planning on doing if it hadn't "then" slipped out of hand? Rode him down to the police station in his lap?! "Most likely," my ass. Simply delusional.

 

[ivwshane]

So, somewhere in your twisted mind you actually believe Wilson wanted to pull Brown through the window and "then" things got out of hand. Just what do you think Wilson was planning on doing if it hadn't "then" slipped out of hand? Rode him down to the police station in his lap?! "Most likely," my ass. Simply delusional.

Based on eye witness accounts, yeah, that's my opinion. What's your turn of events based on? Your gut? A police officer who may be facing jail time?

 

[Riparian]

Based on eye witness accounts, yeah, that's my opinion. What's your turn of events based on? Your gut? A police officer who may be facing jail time?

Eye witness accounts are incredibly unreliable without corresponding physical evidence. As an anecdote, I was sitting two cars back at a traffic light once when I heard a large bang and a large cloud of dust appear at the intersection. My view was limited due to being behind two cars so I had assumed that a car had lost control at the intersection and drove onto the curb and into the dirt on the other side of the intersection. The 2 sets of cars ahead of me (2 lane road) pulled over and I pulled over too to provide assistance. After things calmed down a bit, the drivers in the cars at the front of the line were talking about what they saw. One said he pulled his head up after the noise and saw the lady's car swerve onto the curb. The other lady, who said she saw the whole thing, said that the lady suddenly lost control of her car and then went onto the curb. These two witnesses talked about what they saw and confirmed a bit of what they believed with each other. Another lady, who was in the car behind these two witnesses said that they were wrong and that there was another car involved who had pulled over to the side of the road a hundred feet down. Only one person had even bothered to help that lady as she sat in her car, dazed, because none of the eye witnesses with the best view even realized there was a second car involved.

Anyways, I only bring up this story because, from your posts throughout this thread, you heavily invest your opinion purely on what a specific set of eye witnesses said. Eye witnesses are highly susceptible to confirmation bias, as the two witnesses in my story were. They had the only unobstructed view of the car accident and rehashed the story with each other and somehow missed the fact that there was a second car involved. Similarly here, it's quite possible that the eye witnesses in the Brown case talked to each other after the incident, cemented in their minds what they saw, whether it was right or wrong, and just stuck with the story. So, until we get a better picture of the opposing side's argument from the unnamed witnesses (which we may never get depending upon what is released after the Grand Jury hearing), I put very little credence on the eye witness accounts that have come out supporting Brown.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LMAO!!!! Believing an eye witness that's not only a known liar but one that has changed his original story.

 

[Annisman*]

IMO anybody believing Wilson would try to 'grab' a guy the size of Mike Brown through his patrol car window is completely fooling themselves, that is just such a ridiculous thing for a trained officer to do, it makes zero sense.

 

[ivwshane]

Lots of gut feelings, short on facts. My opinion is based on multiple eye witnesses, yours is based on the suspects account. You guys are discrediting witnesses but based on what I don't know.

But as it stands now, your case is weaker than mine.


Btw, wilson grabbing brown through the window is a very vague term and could mean any number of things, for example; wilson could have started to open his door and detain him when brown pushed back causing wilson to fall back into the vehicle.

 

[Darwin333]

There is a very heavy thug mentality among US police. If even 1/50th of the encounters involve or threaten force I wonder how necessary that really is. I posted this yesterday in another thread: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2014/11/new-york-deputy-slaps-citizen-allowing-search-car/ but here is a cop acting clearly, glaringly in an illegal manner committing several felonies in the span of one minute and yet his response to all this is that he'd do it again. What made him this way? How is a guy of his age a cop with that mindset? This is not a one-off. Between guys like him and the "good guys" who protect guys like him, who can really say what the true number of decent police are? I personally think it's a hell of a lot lower than we tell ourselves. This kind of stuff is constant. Too many cops see themselves as little rambos out to kick ass and take names. Contrast with police in a country like England. I realize they have way, way less guns there, but the number of incidents involving force or threat or force is much lower than in the US. What are they doing better?

I think our justice system is hugely responsible for our current situation.

We absolutely LOVE putting people in jail here in the US. We have 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds inmates. That means here in the US an encounter with the police, even if you are doing something illegal yet harming absolutely no one, is FAR more likely to land your ass in jail for a long period of time. That alone gives people a huge reason to fear police and incentive to try to fight/run your way out of the encounter.

The UK doesn't throw nearly as many people in jail. So if your a low rent criminal you are better off consenting with the police, taking your slap on the wrist, and going on about your life versus fighting the police and then giving them reason to actually throw you in jail.

Consider two scenarios:

You have some illegal drugs on you and a cop is approaching you and you're fairly certain he is going to search you. If you are found with those drugs you will be facing a decade or longer in jail.

Same exact situation but you might fact a very short jail stint or maybe no jail at all.

Out of those two situations, which are you more likely to fight or run? Make it 30-40 years, would you be potentially willing to use deadly force to essentially save your life (as you know it)? Would you be willing to use deadly force to save yourself from a few months in jail?

 

[Druidx]

Based on eye witness accounts, yeah, that's my opinion. What's your turn of events based on? Your gut? A police officer who may be facing jail time?

You mean like how MB knew he was possibly facing jail time for the robbery he just committed? You mean like that?