Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[ivwshane]

You mean like how MB knew he was possibly facing jail time for the robbery he just committed? You mean like that?

Robbery according to who? Who pressed charges? You are saying brown, during first contact with wilson, chose to ignore his command to get out of the street and kept walking as wilson drove off, then brown decided to, not run, but rather to lunge at an officer in a vehicle that just backed up? And this is based off of whose account?

Look I'm not saying that's not what happened, I'm saying that the facts and what we do know doesn't back up that story and the facts regarding my opinion, while there may not be 100% accurate either.

Dismissal of any scenario, especially when we have witnesses, is stupid.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Robbery according to who? Who pressed charges? You are saying brown, during first contact with wilson, chose to ignore his command to get out of the street and kept walking as wilson drove off, then brown decided to, not run, but rather to lunge at an officer in a vehicle that just backed up? And this is based off of whose account?

Look I'm not saying that's not what happened, I'm saying that the facts and what we do know doesn't back up that story and the facts regarding my opinion, while there may not be 100% accurate either.

Dismissal of any scenario, especially when we have witnesses, is stupid.

The fact that you are being so disingenuous with respect to the robbery (which was, after all, captured on video) demonstrates that you don't have an open mind to accept a conclusion different from your own. It's immaterial who reported it - the reality is that Michael Brown stole and shoved a storekeeper to the ground.

From my perspective, we the public don't yet have enough evidence to start drawing firm conclusions about what happened here, but we do know that Brown was a huge guy who had committed a violent crime just minutes before his shooting. All we know about Darren Wilson is that he has been a cop for several years without any previous complaints. Based on those facts, and my own experiences in the world, it strikes me as likelier that Brown was the instigator of the violence between himself and Wilson. Moreover, it appears that the medical examiner's reports broadly corroborate Wilson's version of events. We shall see . . .

 

[Druidx]

Robbery according to who? Who pressed charges? You are saying brown, during first contact with wilson, chose to ignore his command to get out of the street and kept walking as wilson drove off, then brown decided to, not run, but rather to lunge at an officer in a vehicle that just backed up? And this is based off of whose account?

Look I'm not saying that's not what happened, I'm saying that the facts and what we do know doesn't back up that story and the facts regarding my opinion, while there may not be 100% accurate either.

Dismissal of any scenario, especially when we have witnesses, is stupid.

So lets be clear, you're saying you don't believe the store video was MB or the police dispatch report of the robbery regarded MB? Do you think the follow up description by the police dispatch matching MB was just a coincidence?

 

[ivwshane]

The fact that you are being so disingenuous with respect to the robbery (which was, after all, captured on video) demonstrates that you don't have an open mind to accept a conclusion different from your own. It's immaterial who reported it - the reality is that Michael Brown stole and shoved a storekeeper to the ground.

From my perspective, we the public don't yet have enough evidence to start drawing firm conclusions about what happened here, but we do know that Brown was a huge guy who had committed a violent crime just minutes before his shooting. All we know about Darren Wilson is that he has been a cop for several years without any previous complaints. Based on those facts, and my own experiences in the world, it strikes me as likelier that Brown was the instigator of the violence between himself and Wilson. Moreover, it appears that the medical examiner's reports broadly corroborate Wilson's version of events. We shall see . . .

Hypocrite much? Yeah, I think so. Absolutely nothing you just stated was a fact, none of it. Did I state my opinion was fact? Nope! So yeah, don't talk to me about not having an open mind when you just got done overstating what is known.

 

[Ackmed]

Thug got what he deserved. He was just going to be another law breaking leach on the system. Many more need what he got.

 

[ivwshane]

So lets be clear, you're saying you don't believe the store video was MB or the police dispatch report of the robbery regarded MB? Do you think the follow up description by the police dispatch matching MB was just a coincidence?

What we do know is that a patron thought they saw what looked like a robbery call the police, based on this call, dispatch sent out a call to investigate what was described over the phone. The does not tell the whole story and one cannot simply fill in the blanks based on guy logic. The only thing accurate was the description of the suspect, which I have never said otherwise.

 

[ivwshane]

Thug got what he deserved. He was just going to be another law breaking leach on the system. Many more need what he got.

Lol! An internet tough guy! Gotta love it!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Hypocrite much? Yeah, I think so. Absolutely nothing you just stated was a fact, none of it. Did I state my opinion was fact? Nope! So yeah, don't talk to me about not having an open mind when you just got done overstating what is known.

The robbery is a known fact. It happened on video. In what respect is that in question? Are you disputing that, at a minimum, Brown committed an assault and battery on the storekeeper? The relevance of the robbery is that Brown was a person unafraid to use force against a stranger, and there is no question that he did that toward the storekeeper.

 

[Greenman]

Lol! An internet tough guy! Gotta love it!

That's not being an Internet tough guy. he never said he'd do the job, he never claimed the ability to do it. What he did was express an opinion about the criminal element in our society. There are those that contribute nothing, pray on others, and are generally scornful of the law, and I tend to agree with his opinion, though death seems a bit excessive to me.

 

[LegendKiller]

What we do know is that a patron thought they saw what looked like a robbery call the police, based on this call, dispatch sent out a call to investigate what was described over the phone. The does not tell the whole story and one cannot simply fill in the blanks based on guy logic. The only thing accurate was the description of the suspect, which I have never said otherwise.

LOL - you guys are just twisting yourselves into knots to justify this. We *KNOW* he robbed the store. It isn't up for dispute. Dorian Johnson confirmed the whole fucking thing. HIS OWN FRIEND and the guy that was there confirmed it.

How the fuck do you contradict that?

And people wonder why you're about as dumb as mc0wned.

 

[Herr Kutz]

I'm curious to know what Perknose would suggest doing if confronted with a mob intending to do you harm. Inquiring minds would like to know the correct action to take should such a situation occur.

 

[Druidx]

What we do know is that a patron thought they saw what looked like a robbery call the police, based on this call, dispatch sent out a call to investigate what was described over the phone. The does not tell the whole story and one cannot simply fill in the blanks based on guy logic. The only thing accurate was the description of the suspect, which I have never said otherwise.

You didn't answer the question. Does it matter that a patron called the police. Does that mean a robbery didn't happen. No? then why bolden the fact it was a patron.

 

[Druidx]

LOL - you guys are just twisting yourselves into knots to justify this. We *KNOW* he robbed the store. It isn't up for dispute. Dorian Johnson confirmed the whole fucking thing. HIS OWN FRIEND and the guy that was there confirmed it.

How the fuck do you contradict that?

And people wonder why you're about as dumb as mc0wned.

I didn't realize ivwshane was consider dumb as mc0wned. I'll stop wasting my time with him since there is no point having a discussion with someone like that.

 

[ivwshane]

LOL - you guys are just twisting yourselves into knots to justify this. We *KNOW* he robbed the store. It isn't up for dispute. Dorian Johnson confirmed the whole fucking thing. HIS OWN FRIEND and the guy that was there confirmed it.

How the fuck do you contradict that?

And people wonder why you're about as dumb as mc0wned.

I looked it up, I didn't know dorian, through his lawyer, said that brown took some cigars.

How does that change anything?

 

[ivwshane]

You didn't answer the question. Does it matter that a patron called the police. Does that mean a robbery didn't happen. No? then why bolden the fact it was a patron.

Why does it matter? Because the person was on their phone when the incident happened, did they hear the whole interaction? Is it at all possible for a bystander to misinterpret what they are seeing? The answer is yes.

It doesn't matter though, dorian admitted to what happened so I guess he is now telling the truth or this is just one of his lies you guys believe?

 

[cubby1223]

Wait, wait wait...

The surveillance camera video was released across the internet, and there first were wild proclamations that the person was not Brown. Then I believe it was his family themselves who positively identified the person as MB. Then we had all the MB supporters coming in that the video "clearly" showed brown handing the clerk cash, legitimately paying for the items, including screenshots posted inside this thread pointing to exactly where the cash exchanged hands. Once a better resolution video was available, it was clearly shown that Brown never had anything in his hands to hand over to the clerk.

Then the debate was over exactly what kind of merchandise he grabbed, what its retail value was. As if that was the most important part of the incident, indicative that Brown didn't steal it? I don't know what that was about other than nagging.

Eric Holder couple weeks ago in an interview (I linked to it some time back in this thread), said all Brown did was rob a candy store. Eric Holder. Attorney General of the United States. Full disclosure, Holder immediately corrected himself on that one, but still, how does a candy store pop up into your mind when you are supposed to be the lead justice authority in the U.S. with full attention on making sure this case is handled properly, how do you mix up anything like that? He robbed a convenient store. You don't go from robbing a convenient store for cigarettes to robbing a mere candy store unless in your mind you aren't taking that side of the situation seriously at all.

Anyways, back to this thread... apparently now the surveillance video never existed. It never showed anyone walking into the store with nothing, passing along no cash, no credit card, nothing. Nobody lunged over the store counter. Nobody came back with a handful of merchandise in his arms. Nobody immediately exited the store. No clerk came around to try and stop nobody from exiting. Nobody shoved anybody because nothing happened.

This really is a fucking incredible discovery we have made! There are Fringe events actually happening across the U.S.! What other explanation is there? Either those select few on this forum have a seriously manipulated understanding of reality, or the realities we experience are fundamentally different! We're going to go with the latter! They are posting to the forum from an alternate universe, one which Brown never robbed that store!

 

[ivwshane]

I didn't realize ivwshane was consider dumb as mc0wned. I'll stop wasting my time with him since there is no point having a discussion with someone like that.

Lol! Gotta love the CBD and the mob mentality

 

[cubby1223]

I didn't know

Exactly. There are a lot of things you don't know.

 

[ivwshane]

Your reading comprehension is really poor! After wiping the foam from your mouth maybe you can try again.

Wait, wait wait...

The surveillance camera video was released across the internet, and there first were wild proclamations that the person was not Brown. Then I believe it was his family themselves who positively identified the person as MB. Then we had all the MB supporters coming in that the video "clearly" showed brown handing the clerk cash, legitimately paying for the items, including screenshots posted inside this thread pointing to exactly where the cash exchanged hands. Once a better resolution video was available, it was clearly shown that Brown never had anything in his hands to hand over to the clerk.

Then the debate was over exactly what kind of merchandise he grabbed, what its retail value was. As if that was the most important part of the incident, indicative that Brown didn't steal it? I don't know what that was about other than nagging.

Eric Holder couple weeks ago in an interview (I linked to it some time back in this thread), said all Brown did was rob a candy store. Eric Holder. Attorney General of the United States. Full disclosure, Holder immediately corrected himself on that one, but still, how does a candy store pop up into your mind when you are supposed to be the lead justice authority in the U.S. with full attention on making sure this case is handled properly, how do you mix up anything like that? He robbed a convenient store. You don't go from robbing a convenient store for cigarettes to robbing a mere candy store unless in your mind you aren't taking that side of the situation seriously at all.

Anyways, back to this thread... apparently now the surveillance video never existed. It never showed anyone walking into the store with nothing, passing along no cash, no credit card, nothing. Nobody lunged over the store counter. Nobody came back with a handful of merchandise in his arms. Nobody immediately exited the store. No clerk came around to try and stop nobody from exiting. Nobody shoved anybody because nothing happened.

This really is a fucking incredible discovery we have made! There are Fringe events actually happening across the U.S.! What other explanation is there? Either those select few on this forum have a seriously manipulated understanding of reality, or the realities we experience are fundamentally different! We're going to go with the latter! They are posting to the forum from an alternate universe, one which Brown never robbed that store!

 

[cubby1223]

It doesn't matter though, dorian admitted to what happened so I guess he is now telling the truth or this is just one of his lies you guys believe?

There is a very clear video of the incident, you ignorant fool.

But go ahead, keep responding with your insistence that the robbery may never have taken place. That for sure is going to win you credibility

I've always pegged you as one who makes shit up to argue against others. You keep proving that correct.

 

[ivwshane]

Exactly. There are a lot of things you don't know.

Lol! Enlighten me with your vast knowledge of facts you supposedly have that no one else does. You've already become emotionally invested in this topic which is why you can't even fathom something else happening besides what you want to believe.

Btw, the store robbery isn't important to browns state of mind unless you now have some proof of browns state of mind? Do you?

 

[ivwshane]

There is a very clear video of the incident, you ignorant fool.

But go ahead, keep responding with your insistence that the robbery may never have taken place. That for sure is going to win you credibility

I've always pegged you as one who makes shit up to argue against others. You keep proving that correct.

Keep foaming you idiot!

 

[cubby1223]

Keep foaming you idiot!

I'd rather "foam" as you put it, than continue to act like a total fool, maintaining a falsely over-bloated ego. People like you fuel the tensions, fuel the misunderstandings, fuel the violence, fuel the destruction that has taken place and will continue to take place in that community.

Unlike you, I'm fine not having the last word. Respond however you like.

 

[Druidx]

So we have MB friend admit the robbery, we have video, we have an eyewitness call the police and we have the police dispatch giving a description matching MB.

Then we have a McShane who claims none of that matters because poor innocent MB was shot for jaywalking.

 

[ivwshane]

So we have MB friend admit the robbery, we have video, we have an eyewitness call the police and we have the police dispatch giving a description matching MB.

Then we have a McShane who claims none of that matters because poor innocent MB was shot for jaywalking.

Feel free to explain how it matters, mind you I'm looking for facts and not your gut feelings.

Proceed...