Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[IGBT]

the liberal war on civil society resumes operations in Missouri tonight..full coverage on network willing accomplice TV.

 

[ivwshane]

I know you're upset but you should remember that is your fault, not mine. You have many more posts in this "anti-black" thread than I do, and yet you know hilariously little about this case because you are either a troll (hopefully for your case) or have a substantial learning disorder. Being mad at a total stranger over your own inadequacy won't correct it.

Watching you try to understand this and reconcile what happened yesterday with your profoundly skewed understanding of it is just sad.

I have many more posts in many more subjects than you do, period! You post in two subjects only, games and anti black posts, regardless of time frame and post count.

 

[Screech]

If the prosecutor feels there isn't any evidence to support a case he should not bring it to the GJ. But I doubt he really had any actual choice in this matter, primarily for ......political reasons (have to give the illusion of 'justice').

Like the Trayvon Martin case, this case was basically dead once the ballistics report came out......sure, there are other details that you can glean from witness testimony, but witness testimony and factual evidence are not necessarily the same. Hell they aren't even in the same universe, often enough.

 

[CitizenKain]

Have you noticed none of the previous Brown defenders has apologized yet?

For what? Not celebrating the system that lets this happen?

 

[Ns1]

For what? Not celebrating the system that lets this happen?

play thug games win thug prizes

 

[Riparian]

Ah so the illusion of justice, got it. What principled people you are, in the face of a mob, appeasement is always the answer when seeking justice! /s

If a prosecutor doesn't have the principals to admit that there isn't enough evidence for an indictment then he doesn't belong in law where he has the duty to present the best case he can and to pursue justice. I certainly wouldn't want him fighting for me.

Sure, if that's your take on it, that's fine. I partially agree. I haven't personally been put in a situation where my decision could cause mass rioting and destruction of an entire city, so it's harder for me to judge. It's definitely one of those grayer issues that lawyers deal with.

My take on it is that he was presented with two choices:

(1) Tell the public he doesn't have enough to indict and wait for the aftermath, which could have been better or worse than what we've seen; OR
(2) Go through with a GJ hearing but present all evidence to the GJ so that all of that evidence will also be released to the public ultimately in the hopes that:

(a) Time would quell some of the public's rages​

(b) There would be less of a shroud of secrecy since all available evidence would be public; AND​

(c) Justice would be done nonetheless, even if done through a roundabout way​

Of course, like I said, if he advocated for the defense instead of remaining neutral while using the evidence dump method of a GJ hearing, then the GJ hearing was biased, should be retried, and he should be disciplined and removed from the case.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Darren Wilson is a hero!http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-police-officer-darren-wilson-tells-feared-

 

[Blanky]

I have many more posts in many more subjects than you do, period! You post in two subjects only, games and anti black posts, regardless of time frame and post count.

Your butthurt is delicious.:thumbsup:

And the fact you have more posts in this "anti black" thread than I do is a delightful cherry on top.

 

[werepossum]

Here is an interesting tidbit from the NYT article this morning (at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/u...p-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0):

One wonders whether Head will be charged with inciting a riot. I doubt it but one never knows . . .

Come on, the woman he loves is badly hurting, breaking down, and he sees the system as being stacked against him. I agree that was an evil thing for him to do, but surely he's due a bit of compassion in that moment.

Has Sharpton ever been on the right side of a civil rights dispute?

Well, he was James Brown's manager. Don't get any righter than that.

Seriously, Howard Beach and Bensonhurst for sure, Amadou Diallo and Tyisha Miller and Sean bell arguably. Sharpton's big problem is that he was born too late to be the race warrior he wishes to be; all the major battles were already won. That leaves him to fight the individual battles where he has to take a side based solely on race, so often he comes out looking like an idiot at best.

Is it worth it? Well, he's doing well enough to be $4.5 million behind on taxes . . .

A real problem in Ferguson is that the black populace there is sick and tired of being policed by white officers. It would be interesting to see what would happen if 50% of the police force was summarily terminated and replaced with black police officers.

I don't know about race, but having officers who live there, walk the streets, know the people, would be an immense help. (Of course, now that's probably limited to blacks - or the suicidal.)

 

[ivwshane]

Surely you can agree that public opinion should have no place or influence in the court room or with a grand jury. I understand the pressure but that's no excuse when your primary job is to seek justice.

You cannot get justice if a prosecutor is swayed by public opinion. That's a gross negligence of duty in my opinion.

Sure, if that's your take on it, that's fine. I partially agree. I haven't personally been put in a situation where my decision could cause mass rioting and destruction of an entire city, so it's harder for me to judge. It's definitely one of those grayer issues that lawyers deal with.

My take on it is that he was presented with two choices:

(1) Tell the public he doesn't have enough to indict and wait for the aftermath, which could have been better or worse than what we've seen; OR
(2) Go through with a GJ hearing but present all evidence to the GJ so that all of that evidence will also be released to the public ultimately in the hopes that:

(a) Time would quell some of the public's rages​

(b) There would be less of a shroud of secrecy since all available evidence would be public; AND​

(c) Justice would be done nonetheless, even if done through a roundabout way​

Of course, like I said, if he advocated for the defense instead of remaining neutral while using the evidence dump method of a GJ hearing, then the GJ hearing was biased, should be retried, and he should be disciplined and removed from the case.

 

[werepossum]

Riot, war, terrorism, civil disobedience, etc. are all common policy exclusions in most types of commercial policies. You typically have to buy them as riders, endorsements, or separate policies. My bet is very few damaged buildings that are commercially insured will have paid claims.

Sadly that is true. I suspect most will qualify for nothing more than low interest long term loans to rebuild and restock.

I watched black cops yesterday being screamed at and baited by the mob.

They're racist and hate cops. Black cops won't help.

Hmm, good point.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/justice/ferguson-grand-jury-documents/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

I read this..and all I could think was-?
sites? wtf? you browsing the web while a 330lb behemoth is barreling towards you?
also "many him"

These are actual "Journalists" posting nationally.
Perhaps they should hire a proofreader.
:thumbsdown:
If something like that happened in my town,there wouldn't be a second thought about it.We call that "Suicide by cop" around here.

They are actively pushing an agenda that America is an evil racist nation in need of fundamental transformation.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Your butthurt is delicious.:thumbsup:

And the fact you have more posts in this "anti black" thread than I do is a delightful cherry on top.

This thread is not anti black, its anti thug. Thuggery, robbery and assaulting a cop might get you shot!

 

[Riparian]

Surely you can agree that public opinion should have no place or influence in the court room or with a grand jury. I understand the pressure but that's no excuse when your primary job is to seek justice.

You cannot get justice if a prosecutor is swayed by public opinion. That's a gross negligence of duty in my opinion.

Yes, I agree that public opinion should have no place in swaying court proceedings and GJ hearings, however, I'm a little less certain about whether it should affect a prosecutor's decision of whether they should flat out tell the public there isn't enough to indict or if they should have the GJ hearing and act as an arbiter instead of a prosecutor (which, from talking to my DA friends, is used, just rarer).

Like I said, if there was impropriety, then McCullough needs to be held accountable. If not, people need to start accepting that they most likely jumped to a conclusion that fit their internal narrative instead of weighing the facts of the case.

As a side note, the only people in this thread that have advocated for public opinion to sway court hearings and GJ proceedings have been bshole and DCal430.

 

[Blanky]

This thread is not anti black, its anti thug. Thuggery, robbery and assaulting a cop might get you shot!

Exactly. Shane keeps calling it that because he thinks others are as easily manipulated by titles as he is, and some are (hint: they burn buildings for justice), but not those of us with a basic level of critical thinking skills.

 

[werepossum]

Q:Where was Mike Brown's mammy @ teaching him to not steal,rob and attack the police?
Obviously she did not do that.
The state raises monsters y'all.

Who really remembers their raising when they are really, really high?

i don't understand how the physical evidence supported no indictment when there were clear inconsistencies in wilson's story... the most obvious one being that brown's body was 3x further away from the police suv than what wilson stated. once an unarmed man is over 100ft away from you and you're holding a gun i think any threats to your immediate safety are pretty much eliminated.

Wilson pursued Brown, and supposedly there is blood and shell casings beyond Brown's body. Hard to interpret that as anything other than substantiating Wilson's testimony.

There's another Obama speech on tv right now and it really does piss me off. He's going on and on about the anger over the perception that law enforcement enforces the law differently for some groups than others.

But here is the big fucking deal - the situation in Ferguson was about someone (Brown) who felt the laws of the land did not apply to him as they apply to everyone else as he freely stole from a convenience store, walked down the middle of the street, then decided to engage in a physical fight with a police officer.

That's also hilarious considering that Obama just announced his plan to enforce the law differently for some groups than others.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Anyone have a good source of stream for these riots?I have no cable.... so yeah, I need some entertainment tonight.

/popcorn

 

[Blanky]

Anyone have a good source of stream for these riots?I have no cable.... so yeah, I need some entertainment tonight.

/popcorn

http://www.reddit.com/live/tdrph3y49ftn/

 

[LTC8K6]

MSNBC analyst suggests ‘charging’ is ‘racially tinged, offensive word’

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/25/noah-...s-charging-is-racially-tinged-offensive-word/

 

[Svnla]

There's another Obama speech on tv right now and it really does piss me off. He's going on and on about the anger over the perception that law enforcement enforces the law differently for some groups than others.

Hummm, he must be talking about how he is enforcing the immigration law.


LEGALS - wait for years to get in and do the right way.

ILLEGALS - sneak in, whine about "racist/xenophobic/"don't break up our family"/<insert countless excuses> and get a break.

Different set of law for different set of people indeed.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Aside from arresting, we should be doing something that actually makes people think twice... like garnishing their wages (or welfare if applicable).

It doesn't take much brain power to protest reasonably.

"Oh shit! I'm not going to be able to buy my new TV on Friday! Fuck... guys let's not try and flip the cop truck..."

 

[nyker96]

Just saw the interview Wilson gave CNN. What I find interesting, and baffling about his account of what happened was, Brown allegedly fought for his weapon in the car, and he forced 2 shots inside the car. When Wilson stepped out of the car, and raised his weapon, he told him to stop. Instead of running away, according to Wilson he ran towards him even when he raised a gun that he already demonstrated in the car struggle that he is willing to use.

My questions is, would someone run towards instead of away from an individual who has a weapon raised toward them and in an encounter that's only seconds before had clearly demonstrated his willingness to use this weapon on you? I find that very strange. I'd say the natural human reaction is to run away from that individual because you already know he is willing to shoot you.

I find that portion of his account quite unbelievable, I just feel there's a missing piece in his account.

 

[Ichinisan]

MSNBC analyst suggests ‘charging’ is ‘racially tinged, offensive word’

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/25/noah-...s-charging-is-racially-tinged-offensive-word/

LOL! The guy has no shame!

 

[LTC8K6]

LOL! The guy has no shame!

He's mocking the person who actually said it, which was Lisa Bloom.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You just have the facts that were told to you, facts you don't bother researching yourself. Conspiracy? No. Just more people unable to do their own thinking and parroting what they've been told. I'll continue reading the actual testimonies as it's clear you have nothing to add but other peoples talking points.

You could have done your own homework, but instead of looking you decided that page numbers were required.

q18- interior of Wilson's vehicle showing the majority of the DNA is Brown's

I'm not sure what the page number is if all documents are totaled.

 

[LegendKiller]

Come on, the woman he loves is badly hurting, breaking down, and he sees the system as being stacked against him. I agree that was an evil thing for him to do, but surely he's due a bit of compassion in that moment.

There is absolutely no reason for anybody to pour gas on the fire.


He should be condemned by the public and offered to either submit a public apology for inciting a riot in an already volatile situation, or be arrested. Period.


The problem with this situation, and the culture that seems to take issue with it, is that they refuse to see what went wrong in this particular circumstance. Instead of being held accountable for their fuckups and continued ignorance, they are pitied and society lets them off the hook because they are made to feel guilty for even fighting against it.