Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[ivwshane]

You are stretching champ! Just because I'm not on your bandwagon doesn't mean I'm on the other teams bandwagon. Go ahead and find a post where I condemn wilson or said he was guilty of murder. I have consistently asked for facts, not gut feelings, I have even corrected myself when I was unaware of something. Sure I've provided alternative possibilities but I've never said they were fact. In fact I continue even today to gather up all the facts.

I'll wait...

Who hoped for riots? We just knew it was inevitable.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36934011&highlight=riots#post36934011
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=36932596&highlight=riots#post36932596



THERE IS INDISPUTABLE VIDEO EVIDENCE HE COMMITTED STRONG ARM ROBBERY!

You know, the video that just a week ago you denied as ever being in existence. And a barrage of insults that flowed from your keyboard towards anyone and everyone who said such video existed.

Wrong again liar. I didn't say there wasn't a video of a robbery, I said we didn't know that's what actually happened as there was no formal investigation and I hadn't seen Dorians admission that brown stole something. Not only that but I admitted my error.

The fact that you think this is all a massive smear campaign against Brown, given the massive smear campaign that has gone on against Wilson? You believe you have any fucking moral high-ground?

Another straw man. I never said anything about a smear campaign or a conspiracy, I have stated time and time again, that the due process the wilson supporters have called for has been conspicuously absent with regards to brown. A little hypocritical don't you think ?

This all began with the smear campaign against Wilson. It all began when the community was manipulated to believe things that were not true. People took notice and thought to themselves, "what the fuck are they doing?" The blowback against Brown's character was not so much attacks on Brown, it was against the mob to stop making shit up, stop causing destruction, stop causing so much more pain, stop lying to yourselves.

Except what's happening outside of the case hasn't affected me one bit, where as you have been affected by it. I couldn't care less what people outside the case think and any mud slinging they are doing, it's irrelevant, or at least it should be.

You really want to go into the war of who was led to believe falsehoods more frequently? Who was manipulated by whom? You really want to dig back through this thread and tally it up? And especially tally up those whom refuse to budge an inch from their bias when more clarity is reached on a particular topic?

War? Wtf are you talking about? Again, I couldn't care less about what's going on outside of this case, I simply want justice to be served fairly and so far it's not looking like it has (I'm referring to the prosecutors handling of this case).


Speak it right now loud and clear. What is your truth? The truth is there never was any evidence that pointed towards murder. And because of the fucking manipulation that goes on in these communities, buildings are destroyed. More people are injured, more are dead. Jobs are lost. The community has been condemned to at least another decade of poverty. And for what? So Al Sharpton can rake in a few more donations? Fucking congratulations on the truth coming out.

Have you analyzed all of the testimony? No? So then you are guilty of being manipulated, congrats hypocrite

Are you almost finished with your hissy fit?

Are you finished? In your eyes the case is over, you got the verdict you had hopped for, meanwhile, for me, the fun has just begun, I get to look at all the evidence and form my own opinion. I guess there's no need for you to post in this thread anymore, see ya!

 

[Jaskalas]

i mean if you want more... i still think it's crazy suspicious that when they first announced the robbery before he was shot they "were unsure" of whether of wilson had known of the robbery... and now at trial wilson says it's the SOLE REASON for the whole incident.

Wouldn't there be a recording of his call for backup prior to the assault?

It doesn't seem like this should be in the realm of speculation, that there should be crystal clear evidence.

 

[ivwshane]

Wouldn't there be a recording of his call for backup prior to the assault?

It doesn't seem like this should be in the realm of speculation, that there should be crystal clear evidence.

I agree. Is it in the evidence provided by the prosecutor? It was said wilson said there were shots fired and he called for help but it was on a different channel, do we have that call?

 

[OutHouse]

I'm not a fan of Hannity but he just destroyed the Brown's lawyer.

 

[cubby1223]

I think in the end we all just need to ask ourselves, why are we angry?

I am angry because I was on the losing side of this fight. Nothing was won, nothing was gained. People are not happier, they are just all angrier at each other and even further divided. So who won? The Ferguson community did not win. Law enforcement did not win. Spidey won. Geosurface won. And it pisses me off that they win. They shouldn't, it's not right. I tried to be on the side of truth, and I lost.

Okay guys, we'll meet up again next trial.

 

[Sulaco]

She didn't call it racist.
You don't understand how portraying brown as a big scary black man feeds into deep rooted racial feelings?

A big scary black man...by comparing him to a white man.

...


You're reaching, Shane. You really are. This is getting desperate and petty.

 

[ivwshane]

A big scary black man...by comparing him to a white man.

...


You're reaching, Shane. You really are. This is getting desperate and petty.

Wilson said hogan and a demon, aka a big (like hogan), scary (like a demon), black man (that would be Brown).

I guess the metaphor is too deep for you

 

[Sulaco]

Wilson said hogan and a demon, aka a big (like hogan), scary (like a demon), black man (that would be Brown).

I guess the metaphor is too deep for you

Because demons are understood in world/US lore and cultural connotations as being exclusive to blacks?

You're reaching. Again, it's getting pathetic and beginning to highlight perhaps where the racism truly lies.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

The National Bar Association is questioning how the Grand Jury, considering the evidence before them, could reach the conclusion that Darren Wilson should not be indicted and tried for the shooting death of Michael Brown. National Bar Association President Pamela J. Meanes expresses her sincere disappointment with the outcome of the Grand Jury’s decision but has made it abundantly clear that the National Bar Association stands firm and will be calling on the U.S. Department of Justice to pursue federal charges against officer Darren Wilson. “We will not rest until Michael Brown and his family has justice” states Pamela Meanes, President of the National Bar Association.


more in link....

 

[ivwshane]

Because demons are understood in world/US lore and cultural connotations as being exclusive to blacks?

You're reaching. Again, it's getting pathetic and beginning to highlight perhaps where the racism truly lies.

Sorry I can't help you then. If you don't understand the simple metaphor then that's your problem. I love the reverse racism call though! Nothing says racist like calling everyone else a racist!

But hey I guess I hate white people because I explained to you what swarns was saying.

Personally I think that just makes you an idiot but I'm guessing that calling you an idiot makes me one.

Lol

 

[ivwshane]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

I'll just leave this here for those that want some background on mcculloch:
http://molawyersmedia.com/2014/09/08/background-check-looking-at-mccullochs-prosecution-history/

 

[Svnla]

PSA, if you do not want your home/business to be destroy, burn, or loot, make it look like a library = http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...uson-library-stays-open-amid-violence-n256346

Perfect camo.

 

[compuwiz1]

PSA, if you do not want your home/business to be destroy, burn, or loot, make it look like a library = http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...uson-library-stays-open-amid-violence-n256346

Perfect

A work clothes store might work too. I wonder how many of these assholes are receiving some form of welfare? Able enough to roll over police cars and stay up all night burning stuff down, but no energy or ambition to work. LBD is working overtime!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Interesting chart

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

 

[halik]

Interesting chart

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/

Should be pretty easy to throw out the witnesses that are at odds with physical evidence.

 

[Sinsear]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

"The National Bar Association (NBA) is the oldest and largest national association of African-American attorneys and judges in the United States."

 

[halik]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

You're thinking of ABA, the American Bar Association that regulate attorneys...

 

[compuwiz1]

Drop it folks. It's gone baby.......
Shall we now get on with our lives? Let's look ahead and see what we can all do to make life better for all of us. Some folks showed class and some showed their ass. Anger and aggression is not going to solve any of this. There is always tomorrow, but we have to clean up the mess of yesterday first. Brooms and shovels....

 

[IGBT]

so how many food stamp and welfare offices got looted and burned??

 

[Lil Frier]

That chart confuses me. When you read the transcript of Wilson's interview, two things from that chart seem to be disputed:

1. The chart claims Wilson admitted to firing upon Brown after he was down. That is never stated in his testimony, as he states that one of his last attempts at firing hit Brown in the head, putting him down, then he attempted to radio dispatch again. Nothing there is mentioned about firing after Brown is on the ground.

2. It says that Wilson confirmed that Brown "put his hands at his waist." All that is stated about Brown's waist in the testimony is that he put ONE hand IN the waist of his pants. It might have been a semantics issue, but it still is inaccurate.

Also, two other things which aren't wrong, but can be gathered about Wilson's testimony, then put to this chart:

1. Wilson never gets asked if Brown was kneeling when fired upon, or he never responded to that question. However, we can gather from his testimony that Wilson stated Brown charged, was fired upon, then went down. Nothing is mentioned about going into a kneeling position during the interview, so we can infer that, according to Wilson, Brown was never kneeling during the encounter.

2. It also says Wilson never was asked (or didn't answer when asked) about Brown's hands' being put up when shot at. However, Wilson states that Brown is shot at, pulls back from the car, re-enters, is shot at, flees, is shot at, turns, puts his hand in the waist of his pants, charges, and is shot to death. This indicates that Wilson never saw Brown put his hands up. We can also read that Wilson never ordered Brown to put his hands up.

Here's the transcript, in case it wasn't seen by all: http://www.scribd.com/doc/248167685/Ferguson-Officer-Darren-Wilson-Detective-Interview

Anyway, I don't get that chart. Firstly, it doesn't give us much of an agreed-upon setting, except that Brown attempted to engage the police car in some way, and that Brown turned to face Wilson when he was shot at. A lot of the facts we can gather seem to make most (if not all) of those witnesses unreliable as well, so I'm most-curious about which the jury deemed credible, and why.

 

[Riparian]

Here's a good discussion by Scotusblog about the unusual nature of this GJ proceeding. The viewpoint is mainly from the perspective of a federal GJ hearing but it's still relevant for understanding some of the legal community's concerns about the Wilson hearing.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/...s-not-your-typical-grand-jury-investigation/

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wow!!! This thread continues to deliver. It looks like some need to apply liberal quantities of Boudreaux's butt paste.

 

[CZroe]

That chart confuses me. When you read the transcript of Wilson's interview, two things from that chart seem to be disputed:

1. The chart claims Wilson admitted to firing upon Brown after he was down. That is never stated in his testimony, as he states that one of his last attempts at firing hit Brown in the head, putting him down, then he attempted to radio dispatch again. Nothing there is mentioned about firing after Brown is on the ground.

2. It says that Wilson confirmed that Brown "put his hands at his waist." All that is stated about Brown's waist in the testimony is that he put ONE hand IN the waist of his pants. It might have been a semantics issue, but it still is inaccurate.

Also, two other things which aren't wrong, but can be gathered about Wilson's testimony, then put to this chart:

1. Wilson never gets asked if Brown was kneeling when fired upon, or he never responded to that question. However, we can gather from his testimony that Wilson stated Brown charged, was fired upon, then went down. Nothing is mentioned about going into a kneeling position during the interview, so we can infer that, according to Wilson, Brown was never kneeling during the encounter.

2. It also says Wilson never was asked (or didn't answer when asked) about Brown's hands' being put up when shot at. However, Wilson states that Brown is shot at, pulls back from the car, re-enters, is shot at, flees, is shot at, turns, puts his hand in the waist of his pants, charges, and is shot to death. This indicates that Wilson never saw Brown put his hands up. We can also read that Wilson never ordered Brown to put his hands up.

Here's the transcript, in case it wasn't seen by all: http://www.scribd.com/doc/248167685/Ferguson-Officer-Darren-Wilson-Detective-Interview

Anyway, I don't get that chart. Firstly, it doesn't give us much of an agreed-upon setting, except that Brown attempted to engage the police car in some way, and that Brown turned to face Wilson when he was shot at. A lot of the facts we can gather seem to make most (if not all) of those witnesses unreliable as well, so I'm most-curious about which the jury deemed credible, and why.

I think it means "...down [the road]." It makes more sense than "...down [on the ground]."

 

[Sunburn74]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

I have to agree with their statement. For the prosecutor to not achieve an indictment (amid calls that he step down due to conflicts of interest) really does suggest either incompetence or more likely disinterest in doing so. You can indict a ham sandwich if you wanted.

Here's a good discussion by Scotusblog about the unusual nature of this GJ proceeding. The viewpoint is mainly from the perspective of a federal GJ hearing but it's still relevant for understanding some of the legal community's concerns about the Wilson hearing.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/...s-not-your-typical-grand-jury-investigation/

BTW this is the best post in the entire thread to date. It really parrots a lot of the reason why there is so much shock and bad taste as a coated with this trial even amongst people who aren't racially motivated. No common citizen would be afforded the protection offered by the prosecution Darren Wilson was offered. In a country where we are all supposed to be equal under the eyes of the law, it leaves a very bad taste. It really is a very good read and explains why a number of reputable lawyers are displeased with the outcome of the case.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Sure you can indict a ham sandwich but unless you have the evidence to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt you're wasting resources. The only reason he put the case/evidence before a grand jury was due to political pressure as he knew no one would accept him just stating there's no evidence of a crime and leaving it at that.