Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[Londo_Jowo]

Sure he did , he cried about the grand jury members not having to go through voir dire and crying about the fact they had all the evidence put forth in front of them. He's just another butthurt baby such as yourself over the grand jury's "No bill" decision. But don't let that stop you from crying some more in this thread.

Just imagine how different it would be if you were so easily mislead by the media and their false narrative.

 

[shira]

I don't know if this "perspective" has been offered before, but:

If the DA had simply followed the "normal" procedure and decided to not prosecute Wilson (and not bother with the Grand Jury), the riots that would have followed would have made the actual riots seem tame by comparison. So instead, the DA decided on "full transparency," where all of the information he had available would be presented to the Grand Jury (and subsequently made available to the public). And, of course, the Grand Jury came to the same conclusion that the DA did: don't indict.

Yes, this was a highly unusual process, but can anyone blame the DA for trying to defuse the situation, when he knew that not prosecuting Wilson was the right decision?

 

[HomerJS]

So in other words unless they decided to indict the process is/was broken. Sounds a lot like sour grapes to me.

That's not what I said. Its not the "decision" its the process.

Part of what makes the criminal justice system work is the citizens believing it is fair.

Again, I had these concerns way before the decision

 

[CZroe]

Will Ferrell Tweeted something about "how can you have peaceful protests when you show up like this?"

How about you just fucking protest then and don't reinforce the reasons they wear protective gear? That would be the most powerful statement EVER. Here is a completely peaceful protest, and there was ZERO reason to get decked out so heavily. Instead, it just completely reinforced why that tactical team was present.

You were good in Step-Brothers, you suck at social awareness.

I would say back "How can you ignore the well-reported fact that they did NOT 'show up' that way?"

They were in standard police uniforms until things turned violent. They were specifically instructed to show up in standard uniforms and remain in them as long as possible. Equipping the gear was in direct response to escalation from the rioters.

 

[HomerJS]

Ah, yes. I think he's saying that every single case should lead to indictment or else the process has failed. Doesn't he wonder why they bother with the grand jury at all if there's no decision to be made? :hmm:

Because prosecutors prosecute their case by presenting their side to the GJ. They don't just dump everything in the lap of citizens and say "you're on your own".

 

[doubledeluxe]

I would say back "How can you ignore the well-reported fact that they did NOT "show up" that way?"

They were in standard police uniforms until things turned violent. They were specifically instructed to do this. The gear was in direct response to escalation from the rioters.

People ignore this. They had to go change.

 

[cabri]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

http://www.nationalbar.org/president.html

Pamela J. Meanes is a partner in Thompson Coburn LLP, the largest law firm in St. Louis. She was the first African American in the firm’s history to be elevated from associate to partner.

I smell a bias here.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Because prosecutors prosecute their case by presenting their side to the GJ. They don't just dump everything in the lap of citizens and say "you're on your own".

Do you know what happens when the prosecutor doesn't feel the case can be won? They don't want it to go to trial because they don't want to prosecute a losing case. So if the prosecutor knew that this was not a case to be won, he did what he could to explain why that was to the grand jury.

 

[cabri]

Ok I am starting to question things again.

The National Bar Association released a statement.

http://www.nationalbar.org/

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=b493e6c4d31beda32fdaf8e2d&id=73514e334b

I put the two links because I wasn't sure if the second one was authentic but you'll see that it is on their front page.

"The National Bar Association (NBA) is the oldest and largest national association of African-American attorneys and judges in the United States."

http://www.nationalbar.org/president.html

Pamela J. Meanes is a partner in Thompson Coburn LLP, the largest law firm in St. Louis. She was the first African American in the firm’s history to be elevated from associate to partner.

I smell a bias here.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I was making fun of Londo and his continuous butthurt comments. Do look at this a team effort? No but it sure hasn't stopped posters from interrupting the conversation and telling everyone who doesn't agree with them to get over it (kind of like you are doing). So if you have already accepted the outcome and don't question the process then why are you bothering to respond to those that still have questions?

So feel free to ignore mine and others posts who still are looking at the facts, we won't be persuaded by mob mentality (that would be you and your ilk), we will look at the facts and form our own opinion.




Btw, if you are implying that I and others that are still looking at the data are some kool aide drinking, race baiting, hype believing deniers, well tell yourself what ever you want, characterize us however you want, your mind will never change but know that your opinion means zero to me

You still think Wilson is a child killer. I wonder if you still believe in Santa Clause too. Because if you believe Wilson is a child killer, I wonder what other stuff you still fall for.

 

[LightPattern]

<snip>
No common citizen would be afforded the protection offered by the prosecution Darren Wilson was offered. In a country where we are all supposed to be equal under the eyes of the law, it leaves a very bad taste.

Police officers are treated differently - known fact. And when this happens when they are on duty, this is supported by the law.

If this wasn't the case, we would have a lot more officers retreat from dangerous situations... and would be justified in doing so.

Also.. your sig:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

 

[boomerang]

Would somebody please PM me when P&N gets the GJ decision reversed? Thanks in advance.

 

[cabri]

Because prosecutors prosecute their case by presenting their side to the GJ. They don't just dump everything in the lap of citizens and say "you're on your own".

Prosecutors have the obligation to win the case. Not just try to appease the community.

1) When the DA office looked at the evidence, they apparently felt that there was not the evidence required to win a trial.

2) Knowing that, they went to the GJ for verification; provided the evidence that was available just as they would for a case; but also provided the GJ with the way the defense would provide the evidence.

3) The GJ verified the DA office that there was not evidence to win a trial.

Just like with Zimmerman, the community was not going to be satisfied with a trial; they wanted a conviction no matter if the person was innocent and the killing was justified.

Blood lust no matter what.
This blood lust is what you and others have been pushing for prior to and even afterwards.

 

[Riparian]

Because prosecutors prosecute their case by presenting their side to the GJ. They don't just dump everything in the lap of citizens and say "you're on your own".

You should read the Scotusblog post I linked earlier. While the way this GJ hearing was handled is unusual, it's not unprecedented. The biggest concern from the legal community is that this creates a two tiered system; one for law enforcement and one for the general public.

 

[Sunburn74]

Police officers are treated differently - known fact. And when this happens when they are on duty, this is supported by the law.

If this wasn't the case, we would have a lot more officers retreat from dangerous situations... and would be justified in doing so.

Also.. your sig:

Police officers should not be treated differently. Its a dangerous job, but there are many dangerous jobs. If they fail to perform their duty, they should be fired. If they commit crimes on duty, you should prosecute them. Currently the culture of law enforcement is to protect their own and this leads to abuse of power, corruption, and brutality. Their culture should be more like other professions: to preserve integrity and public trust in their field, which means not protecting bad apples but rooting them out and making examples of them frequently.

The idea that there are multiple justice systems: one for the rich, one for police officers and judges, and one for the rest of us is appalling.

 

[bshole]

Police officers should not be treated differently. Its a dangerous job, but there are many dangerous jobs. If they fail to perform their duty, they should be fired. If they commit crimes on duty, you should prosecute them.

Most outrageous comments yet on this thread. How dare you sir? Have you no dignity?

 

[doubledeluxe]

Most outrageous comments yet on this thread. How dare you sir? Have you no dignity?

I'm not even sure if being a police officer is that dangerous anymore. They're armed with military grade weapons and less police officers now die than fisherman.

It's absurd really.

 

[LTC8K6]

Police officers should not be treated differently. Its a dangerous job, but there are many dangerous jobs. If they fail to perform their duty, they should be fired. If they commit crimes on duty, you should prosecute them. Currently the culture of law enforcement is to protect their own and this leads to abuse of power, corruption, and brutality. Their culture should be more like other professions: to preserve integrity and public trust in their field, which means not protecting bad apples but rooting them out and making examples of them frequently.

The idea that there are multiple justice systems: one for the rich, one for police officers and judges, and one for the rest of us is appalling.

That would mean they could not detain and arrest you.

They could not point point a gun at you to make you surrender.

They could not pursue you and tackle you.

They could not search you or your property, ever.

They could not drive over the speed limit to reach the scene quickly.

All of those things require police officers to be treated differently than regular citizens.

If the police were not "different", they could not be police, imo.

As far as committing crimes, when a cop commits a crime, and is proven guilty in a court of law, he gets punished for that crime.

 

[LTC8K6]

The prosecutor should have compiled a report and declined to press charges if he felt that way.

He should not have been intimidated into using the GJ to appease the public, which didn't work anyway.

 

[ivwshane]

You still think Wilson is a child killer. I wonder if you still believe in Santa Clause too. Because if you believe Wilson is a child killer, I wonder what other stuff you still fall for.

Like I said, tell yourself whatever you want.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Like I said, tell yourself whatever you want.

Have you accepted this is all Michael Brown's fault yet?

 

[doubledeluxe]

Have you accepted this is all Michael Brown's fault yet?

Two versions of events

1. The police officer, while sitting in his car, pulled a 6 foot 5 guy into the car by his throat, gun drawn, and shot him. He then chased him down the street and while he had his hands up shot him in the back.

2. The police officer was attacked in his car, shot the suspect, got out to pursue the suspect, the suspect charged, and he killed him with a shot to the head.

 

[ivwshane]

Have you accepted this is all Michael Brown's fault yet?

Lol! You've already made up your mind about me, why would you care about what I think now?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The forensic evidence backs one the stories and not the other.

No throat trauma or shots to the back noted in three different autopsies.

 

[LTC8K6]

Would Brown have treated Wilson the same way if Wilson were a black cop?