Missouri Police Officer guns down unarmed 18 year old

[halik]

last i checked... none of those things are punishable by death. and yeah... i have my doubts about 2 and 3 also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[thujone]

Conflicting statements? you must mean these.

i think he's talking about the fact that wilson's statement conflicts with the fact of the body being 150+ ft. away

 

[ivwshane]

Conflicting statements? you must mean these.

Nope I was referring to this:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6220814

 

[ivwshane]

I think the Brown attorney is an amateur. That was incredibly embarrassing to watch.

This is another problem we have here. Trying to deflect blame and not take responsibility for a persons actions.

1. Robbed a store
2. Told a cop to fuck off
3. Attacked a cop

Then they try to say he shouldn't have been shot and the cop is bad. That the cop said mean things about the community. Oh no!

People need to face reality.

What do you think double was saying when he said the bolded? Do you know what a straw man is? Have you read the replies in this thread that said, "the thug got what he deserved"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

[Londo_Jowo]

As I said about 200 pages ago, I have no evidence either way other than witness testimony, which we can agree on, isn't consistent across the board. You see, unlike you, when you don't have evidence I don't declare the opposite claim must be true.

I find it hard to believe that a person could be forcibly grabbed the neck and pulled into a car and it not leave a mark. We know there were no marks noted on Brown's neck during any of the autopsies (3).

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nm

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

i think he's talking about the fact that wilson's statement conflicts with the fact of the body being 150+ ft. away

I can't find Wilson saying that. I do find a statements initially made by someone else that everything happened within 35 feet.

 

[CZroe]

I am worried now, they will give this thug his pension. Really worried, he is going to be rewarded for his killing of an innocent young man.

You're right: Mike Brown didn't tear off that mattress tag...

...but he DID rob that store by force, disobey police when confronted for jaywalking, attack an officer and struggle over his gun in an attempt to take it, resist arrest, and charge toward the officer he had just attacked. INNOCENT!

Delusional. "Unarmed" does not mean "Innocent" just like "Self-Defense" does not mean "Accidental." You have a brain dysfunction.

it's confirmed in the evidence from GJ that mike brown's body was 153ft. 9 in. from the police cruiser. NOT the 35 ft. that everyone has been quoting.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370491-grand-jury-volume-2.html#document/p145/a189484

given that this is stated as fact... if you read darren wilson's account of the story from the grand jury evidence... how can both of these things be true?

If you actually listen to the police statement that all this "35 feet!" nonsense is based on, he was talking about the entire scene being 35 feet away from the vehicle and not being 35 feet long:
"The entire scene from approximately the car door to the shooting is about 35 feet"

It's worded poorly but what he means is clear in context when you watch the entire video: the shooting took place about 35 feet away from the vehicle and Brown was further away. This is truth. He makes things worse when he starts trying to differentiate between the shootings later and still says "entire" but it is clear that he was trying to correct the assumption that he was including the vehicle and the first shooting in his earlier "35 feet" description. He attempts to differentiate the two shootings by calling the second exchange "the fatal shooting" and making it clear that this was what he was discussing. *THAT* entire scene took place 35 feet away from the vehicle meaning that 35 feet away was the closest part of that entire scene's range. Obviously, Brown and Wilson did not occupy the same position.

I think the Brown attorney is an amateur. That was incredibly embarrassing to watch.

This is another problem we have here. Trying to deflect blame and not take responsibility for a persons actions.

1. Robbed a store
2. Told a cop to fuck off
3. Attacked a cop

Then they try to say he shouldn't have been shot and the cop is bad. That the cop said mean things about the community. Oh no!

People need to face reality.

last i checked... none of those things are punishable by death. and yeah... i have my doubts about 2 and 3 also.

Are you serious? At what point can an officer legally shoot to disable/kill in self defense? Only AFTER the person has taken the weapon and used it on him? Attacking a cop is a death wish because it CLEARLY justifies self-defense, lethal or not. You also assume that Wilson intended to kill rather than stop when all evidence is that Brown kept charging after all non-lethal shots.

YOU need to face reality.

 

[halik]

You're right: Mike Brown didn't tear off that mattress tag...

You do realize that DCal430 is just trolling with one liners right?

 

[CZroe]

M. Brown's mom was on CBS morning show and whined about her son, gave excuses after excuses about her son behavior at the store. At least she did not repeat the lies such as he was "a gentle giant" and "about to start college" and "shot from behind". Uh huh. If her son did not behave to Wilson as he did at the store, he would be still alive. Period.

wilson was never at the store... what are you talking about?

He said that Brown behaved toward Wilson ELSEWHERE the same way he behaved toward "the store," not toward Wilson at the store. If you genuinely didn't understand, why couldn't you read it again to figure it out?

I can't find Wilson saying that. I do find a statements initially made by someone else that everything happened within 35 feet.

See what I said above. If you watch it in context, it's clear that he just wasn't able to articulate it well and was trying to say that the SECOND shooting scene STARTED 35 feet away. People understandably took it wrong and that's where all this comes from, but the source was definitely trying to say something else entirely.

 

[BUnit1701]

Lol! It's quite simple, multiple people have claimed brown attacked wilson AND there is evidence to support that claim! So you either have this evidence or you don't. It certainly sounds like you don't believe there is evidence either. That's why you haven't shown any and that's why you divert this issue away from yourself and others and the claim you made to me and my character. It's classic CBD behavior

You have been provided the evidence (Brown's DNA in the car, broken window, moved/broken mirror, contusions on Wilson's face) but you simply dismiss them.

 

[yllus]

From PBS: What do the newly released witness statements tell us about the Michael Brown shooting?

 

[Blanky]

Don't bother quoting me if you can be bothered to fucking follow the conversation.

You will never learn if you are so angry. You have already admitted to being a racist yesterday, and also an idiot. This we can all agree on. Your questions now are rather like a person who doesn't understand multiplication, yet barges into a college class on calculus demanding the people get him up to speed.

 

[Ichinisan]

wilson was never at the store... what are you talking about?

He didn't say that Wilson was at the store. He said that Michael Brown behaved toward Wilson in exactly the same way he had behaved toward the shop keeper.

 

[boomerang]

This message is hidden because ivwshane is on your ignore list.

That's the best course of action to deal with the guy. Arguing with idiots evidently fulfills a need for some people but for myself, I'd just as soon pretend he doesn't exist. Right now, it's the world against ivwshane. Poster after poster arguing with him as he spurts out the same things over and over and over. Quit dragging yourselves down to his level. There is nothing you can do to raise his IQ. He has a worldview that is outside the norm and he's comfortable with it. Leave him to babble over in the corner by himself, eating his boogers and his earwax.

 

[Svnla]

wilson was never at the store... what are you talking about?

What I meant was if Brown did NOT act "toward" Wilson when they crossed each other on the street as Brown did act "toward" the shop owner at the store, ie. being aggressive, then Brown would be still alive today.

Brown's mother acted like her son was the "gentle giant" that did no wrong and Wilson just hunted him down like an animal which was totally NOT true from evidences and eyewitness accounts.

 

[The Merg]

I think it's interesting how in other threads it's repeated over and over about how the cops should use common sense and then when it is used in this case, it is dismissed.

Brown committed a robbery and then had words with Wilson for walking down the middle of the street. Wilson goes to stop Brown as he realizes he matches the robbery suspect's description.

Does it make sense that Wilson would pull a larger man into in through his driver's door or window? Even your worst trained cop isn't going to do something that stupid.

Then your really only witness of the initial confrontation is not an independent witness and is a proven liar.

So let's use some common sense here...

- Merg

 

[thujone]

He said that Brown behaved toward Wilson ELSEWHERE the same way he behaved toward "the store," not toward Wilson at the store. If you genuinely didn't understand, why couldn't you read it again to figure it out?



See what I said above. If you watch it in context, it's clear that he just wasn't able to articulate it well and was trying to say that the SECOND shooting scene STARTED 35 feet away. People understandably took it wrong and that's where all this comes from, but the source was definitely trying to say something else entirely.

i honestly read it 4 times and didn't get that meaning... but i see it now.


so... the first shooting scene is wilson in the car struggling with brown. the second one is wilson 35 ft away from the vehicle shooting at brown further down the street?


if that's correct then it still doesn't change the fact that brown's body was 150+ ft. away from the vehicle. even if wilson is 35 ft. closer to him brown was still over 100 ft away from wilson when he hit the ground. which means if brown did charge him as wilson states, then he was even further than 153ft when he initially stopped running away and turned around to charge wilson.

 

[thujone]

also in his testimony wilson states that he fired his final shots into brown at a distance of 8-10 ft.

how does any of this make any sense

 

[Londo_Jowo]

also in his testimony wilson states that he fired his final shots into brown at a distance of 8-10 ft.

how does any of this make any sense

It makes sense when you look at shell casings that are behind where Brown's body ended up which would have placed Officer Wilson in that area.

 

[thujone]

also in his testimony wilson states that the entire interaction from seeing them walking in the street to mike brown dead on the cement was under a minute


i wonder how fast a 6'5" 300lb guy who's been shot at least once can cover 150+ ft.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

also in his testimony wilson states that the entire interaction from seeing them walking in the street to mike brown dead on the cement was under a minute


i wonder how fast a 6'5" 300lb guy who's been shot at least once can cover 150+ ft.

I don't see how getting shot in the hand would slow a person down. I also suspect a 6'5" 300lb 18 year old guy could run 100 yards (300 feet) in 20 seconds or less.

 

[Jaskalas]

Brown's mother acted like her son was the "gentle giant" that did no wrong...

She probably supported him robbing stores and assaulting people. After all, it's not wrong if you think those actions are legit.

 

[thujone]

I don't see how getting shot in the hand would slow a person down. I also suspect a 6'5" 300lb 18 year old guy could run 100 yards (300 feet) in 20 seconds or less.

just shock and andrenaline would make you shaky. he also was wearing sandals and lost one running away so it's not like he's ready to sprint or anything

 

[thujone]

It makes sense when you look at shell casings that are behind where Brown's body ended up which would have placed Officer Wilson in that area.

then why was there the original measurement of 35 ft given by the chief?