[MMO] World of Tanks

[eLiu]

I think with the new armor models, doesn't the turret now get 2 layers of armor? 1 layer for the turret armor, one for the gun mantlet. If you roll low and your shell is fired at an angle, it's not going to hit the armor at 90 degrees. If your aiming reticule is as large as his turret it's not going to be accurate enough to strike a particular surface for the most part. I normally don't bother shooting the turret for that reason unless I have a 200+ pen gun.

I've actually bounced S-70 rounds off the turret before, ridiculous as it sounds. So if you think your 88 with 130mm of penetration bouncing sounds bad, look at mine with 250+ and bouncing. :hmm:

Really? I didn't know about the 2 layers thing... so there's 90mm of turret thickness + ??mm of mantlet thickness? hmmm is there a way to find out how thick the armor actually is then?

Haha I think I would've punched something if 250+ pen failed on a KV. Geez, that's ridiculous.

Yeah I know I was shooting from too far to get accurate placement. But even the short88 is pretty accurate and I'm almost certain I saw at least one tracer fly into the flat lower turret area.

But that makes me even more motivated to use free xp for the long88. 200+ pen? Check!

 

[stag3]

i think it was like 16 diff armor plates or something from the patch notes

 

[Genx87]

Long 88 doesnt gurantee penetration. I was going at it with a KV-3 in himmelsdorf in my Tiger. Bounce bounce bounce off the front armor, front turret ect. I didnt have an option to flank. Eventually he made the mistake of trying to manuever behind some debris and I got a shot on his engine and sides when they became exposed.

 

[Maximilian]

Panzer B2 is an absolute beast... Tier 4 heavy ftw!

 

[Nintendesert]

Really? I didn't know about the 2 layers thing... so there's 90mm of turret thickness + ??mm of mantlet thickness? hmmm is there a way to find out how thick the armor actually is then?

Haha I think I would've punched something if 250+ pen failed on a KV. Geez, that's ridiculous.

Yeah I know I was shooting from too far to get accurate placement. But even the short88 is pretty accurate and I'm almost certain I saw at least one tracer fly into the flat lower turret area.

But that makes me even more motivated to use free xp for the long88. 200+ pen? Check!

Yeah, I guess some gun mantlets are damn near impenetrable due to how thick they are. Not too unrealistic as I've seen pictures of tanks in WWII taking dozens of hits and the mantlets just being dinged a bit.

KV-3 and bouncing though is kinda pissing me off. That slow POS might need to get drug out of my garage to play again.

 

[ginfest]

Oh brother. A russian tank killed me so it's russian bias.

I can tell you haven't played long if this is news to you? There are many examples of the equivalent Russian/Chinese vehicle being OP compared to others of that particular tier. Just compare the three "premium" tanks. Or the non-historical armor on the IS line, yet the 88s lack of power. Or how about out of the three scout class tanks, the speed of the T50/T50-2 which run around like crazy and never get hit while the Leo/2801 an Chaffee are easy kills. It goes on and on.
Oh and BTW, read Wargammings own description of what the game is, then tell me how "historically" what countries tanks should really be OP
Maybe you will learn something

 

[PowerYoga]

I can tell you haven't played long if this is news to you? There are many examples of the equivalent Russian/Chinese vehicle being OP compared to others of that particular tier. Just compare the three "premium" tanks. Or the non-historical armor on the IS line, yet the 88s lack of power. Or how about out of the three scout class tanks, the speed of the T50/T50-2 which run around like crazy and never get hit while the Leo/2801 an Chaffee are easy kills. It goes on and on.
Oh and BTW, read Wargammings own description of what the game is, then tell me how "historically" what countries tanks should really be OP
Maybe you will learn something

Define a long time. Haven't been around for alpha testing but I've been playing for a good portion of the beta. Lowe sucks, KV-5 sucks, T-59 is great but that's a contracted tank given by their chinese partners and it's technically not a russian tank. Were you actually around for the t-44 nerf? If your argument is made a year ago I might actually agree with you and chime in.

88's power has been disputed many times, go search the forums for tired old historical data and what it should be vs what it actually is. T-50-2 is fast but Chaffee is the best out of all the scout tanks in my opinion, even though it looks hilariously silly.

Your list of tired old forum whiner arguments go on and on. You're entitled to your opinions though, however misinformed and misguided they may be. Some people just need something to hate, god help you if you ever discover politics.

edit: Historically Tiger II is the strongest and Tiger I is beastly because it fought shermans. Tiger still beastly vs shermans and even E8s, Tiger II still best in its tier. E-75 best in its tier. E-100 and Maus best in its tier. Where's the russian bias? You stuck on tier 6 tanks or something?

 

[Elcs]

I can tell you haven't played long if this is news to you? There are many examples of the equivalent Russian/Chinese vehicle being OP compared to others of that particular tier. Just compare the three "premium" tanks. Or the non-historical armor on the IS line, yet the 88s lack of power. Or how about out of the three scout class tanks, the speed of the T50/T50-2 which run around like crazy and never get hit while the Leo/2801 an Chaffee are easy kills. It goes on and on.
Oh and BTW, read Wargammings own description of what the game is, then tell me how "historically" what countries tanks should really be OP
Maybe you will learn something

KV > T1 Heavy
KV3 > M6 Heavy
Tiger P = T29 > IS > Tiger
King Tiger > T32 > VK4502A > IS-3
E-75 > IS-4 > VK4502B > T34

For T10, I don't think the IS-7 is the best either but I haven't played much in tier 9-10 arena since the patch.

The Chaffee is the best T5 Light and the Patton is the best T9 Med. I'd still call the Pershing the best T8 med come to think of it.

The days of "Russian OP!" are over and have been for some time.

 

[stag3]

I can tell you haven't played long if this is news to you? There are many examples of the equivalent Russian/Chinese vehicle being OP compared to others of that particular tier. Just compare the three "premium" tanks. Or the non-historical armor on the IS line, yet the 88s lack of power. Or how about out of the three scout class tanks, the speed of the T50/T50-2 which run around like crazy and never get hit while the Leo/2801 an Chaffee are easy kills. It goes on and on.
Oh and BTW, read Wargammings own description of what the game is, then tell me how "historically" what countries tanks should really be OP
Maybe you will learn something

there might have been a russian bias back in the day but no longer. even with the IS-7 buff in the .7 patch, it still is THE worst tier 10 with the T30 very close due to paper armor

 

[Binky]

The Chaffee is entirely different than the T50-2. It's slow as shit (56 vs 71), but it hits pretty hard and fires fast. View range is top notch. It's just not a zippy little you-cant-hit-me tank like the T50-2. If you play a chaffee like you play a T50-2, you're gonna die quickly.

It's also got that awesome darth vader helmet look.

 

[eLiu]

Is WoT supposed to have historical values for tanks? I always thought they used "historical" tanks (well, some prototypes/imaginary prototypes) with tweaked stats. Otherwise some things here are ridiculously inconsistent. Like the long 88 could penetrate *any* WWII soviet tank (frontally) at ranges in excess of 2000m. Or really any allied tank; it was easily the best anti-tank gun of the war. That's all the T-34 types, all the KV types, and IS/IS-2 at least. (Source: documentary series called "The German War Files". You guys should check it out on youtube; pretty awesome.)

Long 88 by all accounts isn't nearly this powerful in WoT. But that isn't terribly surprising since... well it'd be fucking OP.

And the Tiger was much scarier. The Sherman could not penetrate the tiger except at "point blank" (which for tanks is prob <100m) or from the flanks. The British Sherman Firefly is the only tank (not TD) the US/Brits had that could fight back at "combat ranges."

Not to mention that the whole WoT premise is goofy by WWII standards. Engaging enemy tanks at a few hundred meters was not common. Part of the reason german tanks were so successful is b/c they made every effort to fight in large open fields where their ridiculously superior gun range = rape. And don't get me started on tanks being able to survive multiple penetrating shots... or the radioman being able to halt a 128mm shell!

So I always thought realism was mostly out the door in favor of better gameplay. Say what you will about balance in this game but I can guarantee it's more fun than a 100&#37; serious simulation would be.

 

[Visaoni]

Recently I've found myself less inclined to fire up World of Tanks. I also got a new SSD in a day or two ago, so I've been working on getting everything setup with the fresh install.

I missed the 5x dailies yesterday for simple lack of playing, and figured I'd try to get a couple today before they reset in several hours.

An hour later, I still can't get into WoT. First the launcher was throwing errors about not being able to connect to the update service. I did a bit of searching and fixed that problem. Now the game hangs after logging in on the "Entering Game" screen.

I've seen it suggested to try deleting the preference xml file. Tried that. Multiple times even, as some said was required for them.

 

[Canun]

Try WWIIonline, that game tries to be ultra-realistic as far as how tanks battles are. Unless you are lucky, you die the first time you are hit in a PzIII or IV. (Didn't have the bigger tanks when I played.)

 

[PowerYoga]

The long 88 still rapes IS and all the tier 6-7 tanks. Easily the best gun of its tier, and still very good at tier 8 when you start fighting Tiger II, T-34s, IS-3s and all the other tier 9 and 10 behemoths. It can still penetrate the side turret of the maus. :hmm:

And the tiger I still destroy shermans easily. It will also bounce a fair amount of the 75mm stock gun that the sherman uses... not the 76mm or the 105 howitzer though. The game is arcadey by design, its not intended to be realistic or tanks will be dropping after 1 penetrating hit and we'll be engaging at 5km instead of 100 m...

Also the BL-10 would completely demolish anything it hits, tank or building.

ps: I will trade my left kidney for a firefly.

 

[Binky]

Recently I've found myself less inclined to fire up World of Tanks. I also got a new SSD in a day or two ago, so I've been working on getting everything setup with the fresh install.

I missed the 5x dailies yesterday for simple lack of playing, and figured I'd try to get a couple today before they reset in several hours.

An hour later, I still can't get into WoT. First the launcher was throwing errors about not being able to connect to the update service. I did a bit of searching and fixed that problem. Now the game hangs after logging in on the "Entering Game" screen.

I've seen it suggested to try deleting the preference xml file. Tried that. Multiple times even, as some said was required for them.

It sounds like you might have left some mods enabled, and they are conflicting with the new patch.

 

[Maximilian]

Is WoT supposed to have historical values for tanks? I always thought they used "historical" tanks (well, some prototypes/imaginary prototypes) with tweaked stats. Otherwise some things here are ridiculously inconsistent. Like the long 88 could penetrate *any* WWII soviet tank (frontally) at ranges in excess of 2000m. Or really any allied tank; it was easily the best anti-tank gun of the war. That's all the T-34 types, all the KV types, and IS/IS-2 at least. (Source: documentary series called "The German War Files". You guys should check it out on youtube; pretty awesome.)

Long 88 by all accounts isn't nearly this powerful in WoT. But that isn't terribly surprising since... well it'd be fucking OP.

And the Tiger was much scarier. The Sherman could not penetrate the tiger except at "point blank" (which for tanks is prob <100m) or from the flanks. The British Sherman Firefly is the only tank (not TD) the US/Brits had that could fight back at "combat ranges."

Not to mention that the whole WoT premise is goofy by WWII standards. Engaging enemy tanks at a few hundred meters was not common. Part of the reason german tanks were so successful is b/c they made every effort to fight in large open fields where their ridiculously superior gun range = rape. And don't get me started on tanks being able to survive multiple penetrating shots... or the radioman being able to halt a 128mm shell!

So I always thought realism was mostly out the door in favor of better gameplay. Say what you will about balance in this game but I can guarantee it's more fun than a 100% serious simulation would be.

Amen to that :thumbsup:

 

[Visaoni]

It sounds like you might have left some mods enabled, and they are conflicting with the new patch.

That would be somewhat difficult to manage, as this is a fresh install of WoT on a freshly installed OS.

 

[eLiu]

The long 88 still rapes IS and all the tier 6-7 tanks. Easily the best gun of its tier, and still very good at tier 8 when you start fighting Tiger II, T-34s, IS-3s and all the other tier 9 and 10 behemoths. It can still penetrate the side turret of the maus. :hmm:

And the tiger I still destroy shermans easily. It will also bounce a fair amount of the 75mm stock gun that the sherman uses... not the 76mm or the 105 howitzer though. The game is arcadey by design, its not intended to be realistic or tanks will be dropping after 1 penetrating hit and we'll be engaging at 5km instead of 100 m...

Also the BL-10 would completely demolish anything it hits, tank or building.

ps: I will trade my left kidney for a firefly.

lol that british 17 pounder would be fucking rape. At 500m, it could penetrate something like 200mm of armor at a 30deg slope. So we're talking like a tier6, maybe 7 tank that could penetrate every tier10 tank frontally (maybe not turret but definitely hull). With the mobility of the M4. Yikes. And being a 76mm, it would have an insane ROF too.

Not to mention that unless they nerf the shit out this gun, it'd make all the Sherman variants and the T1/M6 totally obsolete.

edit: Just looked that gun up for fun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_17_pounder

I remembered some valid numbers but apparently the 200mm pen was achieved with sabot rounds. Although they're the standard anti-tank round nowadays, apparently in WWII they were less accurate & caused less damage. Wiki claims fireflies didn't carry much of that type. They mostly had (solid) AP rounds which were good for 140mm at 30deg at range 457m. So that's a bit less exciting.

Though having a low-accuracy, low-damage, high penetration round could be a pretty interesting game mechanic. If wargaming is set on leaving the MM tier spread as it is, that could give lower tier tanks a more effective way of fighting at close range. That would be pretty neat... and a hell of a lot more realistic than HE rounds. IRL HE rounds were anti-infantry only.

 

[Visaoni]

Well, WoT suddenly decided to start working. I thought I'd spend a little more time screwing with it to try to get it to work, and loaded it up as I headed off to Google. All of the sudden I heard garage sounds, so I alt-tabbed over and I was logged in. Go figure.

Now that I've missed a couple 5x chances I suppose I'll try to get dailies for most of my tanks, at least for today.

 

[stag3]

soooooooooo close to the E75
i have ~145k xp right now =)

 

[eLiu]

Hmmm which tank would benefit from the 5x bonuses more... KV-3 or M6? One of those will be my next tank but I'm not sure which one to take. They both sound interesting w/like diametrically opposed playstyles.

 

[novasatori]

kv3

m6 is garbage so if your goal is to just get through it as fast as possible, the 5x will help you, but the kv3 will get more xp because it is really good and is actually fun to play

 

[PowerYoga]

If you want russian heavies, go KV-3. US heavies is somewhat peculiar in terms of playstyle. Terrible and useless hull armor but super heavily armored turrets. They're also huge and make big arty magnets.

But If you're grinding through a tank, m6 will benefit way more because it's a piece of crap. The KV-3 has 3 great guns to choose from and it's super heavily armored for its tier.

 

[Skott]

Personally, I enjoyed the KV-3 more but it depends on what you want to do. You need either if you plan to go on down the lines to the better tanks. I have the T-29 and don't plan to go beyond it until they improve the American heavy tanks. The Russian heavies are good and considered the best in the Game but I played them in Beta and really don't want to grind them again because they don't become real good until you get to the IS-3. Its a long grind either way as it is meant to be. So which line do you want to do? You could do both and just jump back and forth between the two tanks as you get knocked out of battles. I do that a lot when grinding two or more lines.

 

[PowerYoga]

I had a lot of fun with the IS. It's a very balanced tank and the gun is punchy enough to hurt tier 8s and 9s badly if you hit them in the right spot. The penetration on the 122 leaves a lot to be desired though.