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eLiu

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I have decided this will be like my KV, a permanent spot in the garage. God this thing is fun to play. Especially when I run into German mediums with their slow turret. Poor things trying to catch me while I do the circle of death.

Now what to get. I am thinking rammer + enhanced gun laying drive. But then vert stabs or vents?

Funny you say that b/c my VK3601 eats E8s alive for breakfast. With angling I can bounce your first few shots & my short88 is deadly.

Also I'd suggest rammer + vents + vstab. EGLD+vstab I guess can work too, but I find vents to be more valuable than EGLD since it boosts everything. But vstab is waaay better than EGLD; look earlier in this thread, we've had this discussion.

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edit: I wub u Tiger H! <3
Victory!
Battle: Mines Friday, December 30, 2011 4:50:42 PM
Vehicle: PzKpfw VI Tiger
Experience received: 2,311
Credits received: 61,987
Battle Achievements: Sniper

5 kills (Pershing, T-34/85, IS-4, Lowe, Panther II), 2 damaged (Both Sherman E2), 20/22 hits. Woot! Wish I had replays enabled, haha
 
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stag3

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I have decided this will be like my KV, a permanent spot in the garage. God this thing is fun to play. Especially when I run into German mediums with their slow turret. Poor things trying to catch me while I do the circle of death.

Now what to get. I am thinking rammer + enhanced gun laying drive. But then vert stabs or vents?


pretty much vents and rammer are on every tank i have. 3rd depends on what i'm using the tank for. in your case i'd get the one that keeps the crosshair smaller while moving etc...
 

Genx87

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Funny you say that b/c my VK3601 eats E8s alive for breakfast. With angling I can bounce your first few shots & my short88 is deadly.

Also I'd suggest rammer + vents + vstab. EGLD+vstab I guess can work too, but I find vents to be more valuable than EGLD since it boosts everything. But vstab is waaay better than EGLD; look earlier in this thread, we've had this discussion.

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edit: I wub u Tiger H! <3
Victory!
Battle: Mines Friday, December 30, 2011 4:50:42 PM
Vehicle: PzKpfw VI Tiger
Experience received: 2,311
Credits received: 61,987
Battle Achievements: Sniper

5 kills (Pershing, T-34/85, IS-4, Lowe, Panther II), 2 damaged (Both Sherman E2), 20/22 hits. Woot! Wish I had replays enabled, haha

Going rammer, Vents, and vstab.

Had to laugh, one shot a T-43 with my derp KV tonight

Hit him in the back left of his turret. Guessing he had an ammo rack exlosion?
 

Merad

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Any ATers interested in trying this "Monte Cassino" challenge thing?

I'll go for it if we can get a team together. Fair warning I'm very much out of practice with no real WoT time in almost 2 months.
 

eLiu

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I'll go for it if we can get a team together. Fair warning I'm very much out of practice with no real WoT time in almost 2 months.

lol sure, I'm not very good either. I think this would be more of a 'for fun' kind of thing. I think I could make a reasonable contribution in Tiger H, Tiger P, VK3601H, Sherman E2, or PZ IV. I'd say those are my best tanks.

Just got the Tiger P. Decided I didn't want to grind too much so I free xp'd the tracks & mounted the long88. Wow. Yeah it feels way more sluggish (kinda ironic that Porsche designs are slow) than the Tiger H, but WOW that 200mm front armor is amazing. If I realize that someone isn't targeting my turret, I can just go to town on them! ahaha like earlier a T29 kept firing into the thickest part of my armor so I crushed him.
 

Merad

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The rules say

A team must field a selection of tanks based on the below tier limits. Teams are also limited to a maximum total of 31 tier points.

Heavy tank - 7
Medium tank - 7
Tank Destroyer - 7
Light tank - 5
SPG - 5

That reads to me like you're required to use tier 7 heavy/med/TD, tier 5 light & SPG.

Edit: Apparently I sold my T29... why the hell did I do that? That means the only thing I can contribute is my VK3002.
 
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Harabec

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I'm hooked on this game right now
A few questions though...

1) Aiming well. Does it get better with crew training? the training from 50&#37; takes ages so I'm not sure yet. Also, any tips on long range sniping? use a normal tank, a TD?
2) Did anyone here spend $$ for ingame gold/premium account? I'm wondering if its worth it. Grinding credits and XP from the start takes ages, may be the way it is intended?
3) why do I have to suffer in the awful SU-18 so much to get the SU-26? A guy in a wheelchair can move faster that it.
 

stag3

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The rules say



That reads to me like you're required to use tier 7 heavy/med/TD, tier 5 light & SPG.

Edit: Apparently I sold my T29... why the hell did I do that? That means the only thing I can contribute is my VK3002.

not required, that is just the highest tier heavy tank you can use.
31 pts means you can use any combination of tanks tier 7 or below, that add up to 31 points.
so you could use say 5 tier 5 mediums, and a tier 6 heavy = 31 pts
 

stag3

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I'm hooked on this game right now
A few questions though...

1) Aiming well. Does it get better with crew training? the training from 50% takes ages so I'm not sure yet. Also, any tips on long range sniping? use a normal tank, a TD?
2) Did anyone here spend $$ for ingame gold/premium account? I'm wondering if its worth it. Grinding credits and XP from the start takes ages, may be the way it is intended?
3) why do I have to suffer in the awful SU-18 so much to get the SU-26? A guy in a wheelchair can move faster that it.


1- yes aiming gets better with training, if you have the $, always purchase them at 75% training.
2- i did not buy gold/premium account until tier 8, so it IS possible to do it, it makes the grind a LOT shorter, so to me it is worth it, i guess it depends how much you play the game. if you decide to go that high a tier, premium is pretty much needed imo.
3- it makes you buy premium to grind out of it faster!
 

Maximilian

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Feb 8, 2004
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I'm hooked on this game right now
A few questions though...

1) Aiming well. Does it get better with crew training? the training from 50% takes ages so I'm not sure yet. Also, any tips on long range sniping? use a normal tank, a TD?
2) Did anyone here spend $$ for ingame gold/premium account? I'm wondering if its worth it. Grinding credits and XP from the start takes ages, may be the way it is intended?
3) why do I have to suffer in the awful SU-18 so much to get the SU-26? A guy in a wheelchair can move faster that it.

1. Yes pretty big difference between 50% and 100% crew. Its a good idea to buy the 75% crew with the tank with credits for tier 4 and up or maybe tier 3 if you have the credits.

2. Yeah i bought gold and premium ages ago, generally though i dont bother with it. Some of the premium tanks are absolute beasts in their tier group though, panzer BII (the tier 4 heavy) destroys everything in its tier more or less, same with the tier 2 tank i forgot the name of.

3. I dont know Its arty isnt it? I found arty boring to play. Not many artys are fast and agile most of them are slow as hell.
 

eLiu

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Jun 4, 2001
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I'm hooked on this game right now
A few questions though...

1) Aiming well. Does it get better with crew training? the training from 50&#37; takes ages so I'm not sure yet. Also, any tips on long range sniping? use a normal tank, a TD?
2) Did anyone here spend $$ for ingame gold/premium account? I'm wondering if its worth it. Grinding credits and XP from the start takes ages, may be the way it is intended?
3) why do I have to suffer in the awful SU-18 so much to get the SU-26? A guy in a wheelchair can move faster that it.

Aww, new players are so cute! But really,
0) 50% crews are *terrible*. But it's a necessary evil of the low tiers. It's simply not worth it credits-wise to purchase 75% crew training until you get your first tier4 tank at the earliest. And even then I'd consider only training say the commander & driver (for a light, scout tank) depending on your credit situation.

But you know how your tank stats say view range of X, rate of fire Y, accuracy Z, etc? Those numbers are valid for a 100% crew with ventilation equipped or something like that. They basically represent nearly the best possible values, not the base values. So with a 50% crew, the performance of every single tank aspect suffers (not necessarily cut by 50% but substantial reductions). Your ROF sucks. When you turn, you lose tons of speed. Your view range is awful. Etc. This is why everyone says you can't properly evaluate how much a tank sucks until you have the appropriate equipment mounted, crew at 100%, and all the research completed.

Now your questions:
1) Yeah accuracy & aim-time (time it takes for the reticule to reach minimum size) improve with crew training. Training from 50% doesn't really take that long. By the time you get tier5 tanks, you'll train from 75%->100% probably before you even research all the module upgrades. But you spend so little time in the lower tier tanks that yeah, you won't max a crew out normally.

Different guns have different accuracies. They're all listed in the gun's stats (on the research screen, right click on the gun & choose "characteristics"). Click on the gun icon in the garage and then right click on one of the gun options shown. Say your gun has accuracy 0.4. This means that for every 100m traveled, you can expect a 0.4m variation (from your aiming point). So the smaller this number is, the more accurate the gun is. This accuracy is represented by the reticule. I *think* the reticule shows you 2 std deviations, so you should expect the shell to fall inside that circle 95% of the time. The distribution is gaussian (aka "normal").

TDs and tanks essentially mount the same guns. But the TD versions are usually like maybe 10% more accurate. German tanks are also generally known for their accuracy (moreso than the other nations). With accuracy in the 0.35-0.37 range, you kinda can hit things far away but it's not reliable beyond 300-400m or so. In the 0.33-ish range, you'll have decent performance in the 400-450ish range. In the 0.3 range of accuracy you can reliably smash shit beyond 500m. Awesome.

That said, the lower tiers don't really have any highly accurate guns so long range fire is a bit of a crap shoot. This is especially true if your crew well trained. But this is ok b/c none of the low tier tanks are built as snipers. For now, getting up close & personal (but under cover) will probably be your best bet.

Other tips: when shooting at very long range, you need to account for shell travel time. Shell-drop (due to gravity) is accounted for automatically by the game. This can actually be kind of annoying but whatever. But the shell doesn't hit the target instantly. So if your target is moving, you need to lead it. Just takes practice to figure out how much. At this point I can hit targets moving at 30kph at 550m reliably. For fast scouts in the 60kph+ range, make that more like 300m, haha.

2) I've spent real $ on gold. I use it to get a premium account now and then. Like right now since I'm home for winter vacation I got a premium. 50% xp & credit boosts is pretty sweet, esp for credits b/c it boosts your net profit by way more than 50% (i.e., income increases 50% but costs remain the same, so profit grows by more). You'll also run across promo codes now and then that give you some gold for free and/or a few days of premium for free.

Whether you get prem is really up to you. If you think it's taking too long to progress, prem will accelerate that process. But I suspect that at this point, just playing and getting better at the game will achieve the same effect Tier1/2/3 passed fairly quickly for me... tier4 is where I (and most ppl) really got bogged down... b/c most tier4 tanks suck balls (e.g., M3 Lee, A-20, oh god.) But then tier5 is awesome. After that, subsequent tiers have some tanks that are miserable & some tanks that are great.

But if you think tier 2 or 3 is too grindy, you ain't seen nothin' yet! Things will go faster if you have several tanks to work on at once. So play a game & exit the battle when you die (don't have to watch it finish). Then play another tank, rinse & repeat.

3) If you think the SU-26 will be zipping around the map, you are sorely mistaken. If the SU-18 is like a guy w/2 broken arms in a wheelchair, the SU-26 is like a guy with 2 working arms but all broken fingers. The other nations have more mobile artillery from what I've seen. (I find artillery to be boring so i've only played SU-18 & SU-26.)
 
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eLiu

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not required, that is just the highest tier heavy tank you can use.
31 pts means you can use any combination of tanks tier 7 or below, that add up to 31 points.
so you could use say 5 tier 5 mediums, and a tier 6 heavy = 31 pts

I think the site also lists max team size of 5, so this arrangement wouldn't quite be possible. But thanks for clearing what the numbers mean. I wasn't 100% sure if any heavy = 7 points or if you're allowed tier 7 heavy at the max & the point-cost of a tank is its tier number.

So anyone else interested in goofing around and trying this? Anyone these team battles before?
 

Skott

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Yep, short answer is everything is better with 100&#37; crew.

Premium - I have it. Wouldn't play this game without it but that is just me. I also own gold tanks.

Grinding xp is a pain like grinding in any other game basically. I am glad I don't have to do quests at least. LOL

Edit: I guess I should admit grinding with some tanks is rather fun. Get a good tank that has decent gun and armor and doesn't get lousy tier match ups and its rather fun. Avoid the Lee and 3001P tanks like the plague!
 
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Visaoni

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I'm probably pretty bad, but I would be interested. However, the battles start right as I go back to school, and I will have classes during the potential battle times on some days. So we'd need an alternate (worse than me - otherwise I may as well be the alternate) for sure who could make it to all the battles.

As for tanks I could bring...
IS, T29, KV3, KV would be best.
I have a smattering of other lower tier tanks/TDs that I could potentially have at least fully researched by then, but crews would be well below 100&#37;, and in some cases not even 75%. Sherman is probably the best option of those tanks (fully researched, crew only 85%).
 
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eLiu

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Yep, short answer is everything is better with 100% crew.

Premium - I have it. Wouldn't play this game without it but that is just me. I also own gold tanks.

Grinding xp is a pain like grinding in any other game basically. I am glad I don't have to do quests at least. LOL

Edit: I guess I should admit grinding with some tanks is rather fun. Get a good tank that has decent gun and armor and doesn't get lousy tier match ups and its rather fun. Avoid the Lee and 3001P tanks like the plague!

Oh come now, the 3001p wasn't THAT bad after I got all the upgrades. The engine upgrades really help even though the horsepower increases seem minimal. I mean this thing is worse than the vk3601 in every way but it's still playable. I even found myself enjoying it at times. The short88 is a solid gun at tier6. But I can't imagine it being fun at tier7 in the VK3002DB Anyway, 3001p is NOTHING like the Lee. Godamn the Lee was awful. A-20 too. And Pz III Ausf A from what I've heard.
 

Harabec

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Thanks eLiu
I've ditched the SU-26 right after getting it (2 hours ago). I think I just don't like that kind of play, I tried to like it since I like artillery but I'm having a lot more fun with other things. I bought a Marder II instead. Seems nice enough in battle from the couple of fights I've had with it.
 

stag3

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Oh come now, the 3001p wasn't THAT bad after I got all the upgrades. The engine upgrades really help even though the horsepower increases seem minimal. I mean this thing is worse than the vk3601 in every way but it's still playable. I even found myself enjoying it at times. The short88 is a solid gun at tier6. But I can't imagine it being fun at tier7 in the VK3002DB Anyway, 3001p is NOTHING like the Lee. Godamn the Lee was awful. A-20 too. And Pz III Ausf A from what I've heard.


disagree here again LOL the 3001p is HORRIBLE. this is one of those tanks that makes you want to quit WOT. right after it you get the DB tho which is a fun tank!
 

eLiu

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Thanks eLiu
I've ditched the SU-26 right after getting it (2 hours ago). I think I just don't like that kind of play, I tried to like it since I like artillery but I'm having a lot more fun with other things. I bought a Marder II instead. Seems nice enough in battle from the couple of fights I've had with it.

No problem! Posters in this thread helped me out a lot getting started so I'm always happy to give back, haha. Yeah I played SU-26 for 82 games & gave up on it. I'll prob try arty from the other nations but I doubt it'll stick. Though if you don't have the best gun for the SU-26, that does help it out quite a bit.

Oh yeah Marder II is supposed to be a great TD. 118mm penetration on its last gun means you're effective against any tier5 tank. I haven't tried any TDs yet but that's what I've heard. Opinions are mixed on the next tank (Hetzer) but the Stug III is another great one. You can't go wrong w/the 75mm/L71 in tier5!

edit: One more thing, mods! If you haven't tried them, there are several great mods out there. Here are my favorites:
n0rdis:
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/47754-n0rdis-timex-reloading-timer-crosshairs/
Changes the crosshairs & provides more info like exact loading time.

OTM:
https://github.com/bkon/WoT-OTM
Files in bin/ go in /res/gui/flash. You'll also want to get the "OverTargetMarkerEditor" so you can customize the configuration. You can make it do things like show exact health values instead of a percentage, print the name of the tank on screen, show pop ups indicating how much damage is being done, etc. Very handy.

PogS contour:
http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/46236-pogs-contour-icon-3x-grepa/
As of 7.0, *only* use the icon files (the image files). The other stuff will not work. Also in 7.0 this has the downside of all the enemy teams' icons being mirrored. Still I find this vastly superior to the useless silhouettes in the default gui.

And to manage your mods, use:
http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/products-jsgme.html


disagree here again LOL the 3001p is HORRIBLE. this is one of those tanks that makes you want to quit WOT. right after it you get the DB tho which is a fun tank!

But as a tier7 medium, you'll potentially be in tier10 matches. Against tier9 & 10 tanks, the short88 is nearly worthless. I have the 3002DB researched but I haven't tried it yet. Currently working on Tiger H & Tiger P simultaneously w/Germans. Godamn the long88 is amazing. Though I just missed a T28 (TD) at 400m 4 times :/ He wasn't moving at all. *sigh*
 
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Genx87

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I had a game in my E8 that made my week today. It was swamp, we started on the west side of the map. I head towards the south bridge and sneak my way upto the mound where the east spawn perches to shoot us approaching the bridge. I get right up on the west side of the mound and shoot at an E75 and Type 59 in the buildings. Denying those two the ability to fully hide they are getting worn down. And I see a medium icon on the mound. I sneak around to the ramp and see a Type 59. He is shooting at us so i start unloading on him. Wasnt doing a whole lot of damage but was annoying him. He tried twice to shoot me but I would reverse back around the corner and he didnt have a shot. On the third time of annoying him he comes flying out and gets a shot off on me. What happened next was too funny. He continues down the ramp onto the battlefield. I chase him. We are going full speed swerving across the battlefield while I shoot up his rear from about 10 feet. Finally got my revenge on a Type 59 with the E8 by turning him into a pile of burning chinese metal. God that was hilarious.
 

Merad

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But as a tier7 medium, you'll potentially be in tier10 matches. Against tier9 & 10 tanks, the short88 is nearly worthless.

If you're talking about the DB, it's a FANTASTIC tank. Games with it have been some of the most fun I've had in WoT.
 

eLiu

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If you're talking about the DB, it's a FANTASTIC tank. Games with it have been some of the most fun I've had in WoT.

Yeah I was talking about the DB. I haven't tried it yet so my thoughts aren't based on experience. But what did you do in it? Aren't there just huge swaths of enemies that you can't even dent? And I'm not really interested in being a tier7 scout/arty hunter/counter-scout, lol.
 
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