[MMO] World of Tanks

[stag3]

i probably put myself out of the running for the 112 last night as i crashed hard after work, did not play at all ugh. oh well.

 

[datalink7]

I actually only run 8 rounds of heat in my E100. I almost never load it except in certain circumstances (JPe100, E100, Maus, E3, and then only if they are hull down). Mostly I do ok with regular AP. Just had a game yesterday where I did 8k damage and fired 0 HEAT.

 

[stag3]

haha yea i don't bother with the E100 as the reload is so long, just aim quickly and fire, get the win and get out if possible, i leave the cw loadout on it

 

[datalink7]

I actually like my E100. Like my top 5 damage games are all in it. Slow reload and low pen is super annoying. However, working that armor and hit point pool, you can put it in situations that keep its gun singing.

I will say I hated it for about the first 100 games or so, but then I started finding my groove with it. Now I quite like it.

 

[Fallen Kell]

How is the JPe100? I think I have it researched, but havn't purchased because I just don't see many of them being used anywhere, so I was under the impression that they just were not too good.

 

[datalink7]

It isn't that great, but I still enjoy it. Hull down the armor is really strong. The gun is ok (I think it should do 50 or 100 more damage), mobility is horrible. I wouldn't be in a huge rush to buy it. JagdTiger is excellent, JP E100 isn't terribad, but it's just ok. Then again, like I said, I still have fun in it.

 

[Fallen Kell]

It isn't that great, but I still enjoy it. Hull down the armor is really strong. The gun is ok (I think it should do 50 or 100 more damage), mobility is horrible. I wouldn't be in a huge rush to buy it. JagdTiger is excellent, JP E100 isn't terribad, but it's just ok. Then again, like I said, I still have fun in it.

hmmm... yeah, I'm not even a real fan of the JagdTiger to be honest. The armor is too light for its speed. Just about everyone knows how to pen it anymore, and anything tier 7+ can do so. If it was 10-15 kmph faster or the front armor deflected shots under 250mm pen, then I would consider it an excellent tank.

 

[datalink7]

I like the JT because of its excellent gun mostly. That thing is a beast.

 

[biostud]

ATM I actually enjoy playing the FV215b most, who would have thought

 

[microAmp]

Good night, 8k damage?

I played it more last night, this time around using HEAT exclusively. Best game out of that doesn't remotely match your game. 5.2k damage but did manage to block 4.6k damage. So my best probably but once again, HEAT rounds.

One game, held off a E100 and VK 45.02B on Arctic Region by myself, killed E100 and almost had the VK until the 3 other teamates couldn't hold off that lower shore area. They weren't using premium rounds though.

An IS-7 game, on Himmelsdorf in tank alley, E-100 and Maus were held off, Waffle E-100 was there briefly too. Eventually both died, Maus to me and a flank from hill finished off the E-100.

I think for the time being I'll sling HEAT in it, at least in hull down tanks. I'll never change ammo if I already have something loaded. AP to HEAT or vice versa, I agree, waste of time.

I recently put on Spall Liner on the E-100 and just realized that Vertical Stabilizer would be better than Gun Laying Drive, the other I use is Rammer. Silly me, thought Vertical Stabilizer was just for on the move only but it seems a benefit it, when moving into shoot, stop, you'll have 20% smaller reticle after stopping, instead of full size and shrinking 10% faster with Gun Laying Drive. But if I'm wrong, even if choosing to use it, please chime in.

I can understand the "bad idea" to use Spall Liner but I feel I get target by artillery a lot; yes I try to hide from them. Or move back/forth change directions.

 

[Fallen Kell]

hahaha.... still doesn't come close to my IS-3 match for damage blocked by armor

And the 29 penetrations that were against me were tracks being hit/destroyed.... Received about 2-3 damage total for that match.

That said, the exp is still so messed up in that... I did the most damage on the team, and most CERTAINLY blocked the most damage, keeping the most enemy tanks busy, got the only medals on the team, and yet, 5TH for exp!!!! BS, all because I hulled down in a position and held off more than half the enemy team (preventing them from getting to the flag to cap in encounter mode).

 

[BoT]

I can't get my head around the E100. I actually like the E75 better. I have a few good games in the E100 but over all I suck in it. I am a boatload better in the T57.

 

[Skott]

The KV-85 @ T6 is getting the worse of it. It's 122mm gun blows hard. Most people will want the 100mm gun instead now. The KV1S @T5 is not that bad. If you watch QB's review of it the KV1 now has competition of who is best T5 tank. It's 122mm gun isn't as bad as the one of the KV-85 it looks like. Plus the new KV1S is fast. Faster than the KV1 anyway.

Yesterday I decided to get ready for that new German T8 light tank. The RU-251 or whatever its called. So knowing I had the little Leo before I figure I could start there. Nope. Stupid game wont let me rebuy the blasted thing. So I bought the Luchs and started there. Fun little tank with that 30cm gun. Got the little Leo again today. I'll grind it and then get the VK 2801. I hear its pretty decent light tank. Then after that its the Awful Panther. Now i hear this one is a real turd. If so I can free xp past it. I dislike free XPing past a tank but if its as bad as I hear then I may have to. Anyone got opinions on the Awful Panther light tank?

I also finally put a crew into my E100. Havent played it yet. It has a heavy spall-liner but that's it so far. My credit bank is pretty low lately. Normally I keep 10 million or more in the bank but recently tank purchases have me down in the hundreds of thousands now. Equipping all these new tanks is a bit hard atm. So anyway, what's the good tactics for the E100? I need some tips so I dont go out on the battlefield looking like a fool.

 

[datalink7]

The E100 takes a bit to get used to coming from the E75. Like I said, it was about 100 games before I began to actually like it. At first, I thought it just felt bad compared to the E75 and was kind of a big disappointment.

With the E100, it has strong armor, but it is really flat. So you need to use angles. Now, because it is flat, if you angle it, that makes it really difficult to penetrate. If you put your armor flat to the enemy, it makes it really easy (particularly for HEAT).

This matters a lot for your turret. Never aim at the enemy except when you are preparing to fire. The flat part of your turret is easy to penetrate if it isn't angled. However, angled it is difficult, and you can angle a lot because the side of your turret is well angled and bouncy. This is different from some turrets where you don't want to expose their weaker sides, even slightly, so you keep looking right at the target. E100, don't do that.

Also, hide your lower plate whenever you can. It is massive, and a big weak spot.

The 150mm gun (which is the one you want) has lower pen than the E75's gun, so you have to get used to that. Plus, you are at a higher tier. If you run into something with a ton of armor, probably wise to switch to HEAT. However, how I use it is to get stuck in at a spot where I can bounce a lot of shots, but then engage targets of opportunity that are hanging in the backfield.

In a recent game (where I got 8k damage and fired zero heat), I tanked shots from an IS7 and IS4, but never shot them. I was firing at the softer mediums and 183 trying to hide behind them, and let those on my team with higher pen deal with the heavies. That alpha wrecks softer targets.

Always be wary of arty. You are a huge target, so try to be some place you have some cover.

You are also tall. This can be an advantage to fire over things (rocks/wrecks/etc.), but also something to keep in mind as you can be shot at easier in return.

That's all I can think of for now.

 

[stag3]

Good night, 8k damage?

I played it more last night, this time around using HEAT exclusively. Best game out of that doesn't remotely match your game. 5.2k damage but did manage to block 4.6k damage. So my best probably but once again, HEAT rounds.

One game, held off a E100 and VK 45.02B on Arctic Region by myself, killed E100 and almost had the VK until the 3 other teamates couldn't hold off that lower shore area. They weren't using premium rounds though.

An IS-7 game, on Himmelsdorf in tank alley, E-100 and Maus were held off, Waffle E-100 was there briefly too. Eventually both died, Maus to me and a flank from hill finished off the E-100.

I think for the time being I'll sling HEAT in it, at least in hull down tanks. I'll never change ammo if I already have something loaded. AP to HEAT or vice versa, I agree, waste of time.

I recently put on Spall Liner on the E-100 and just realized that Vertical Stabilizer would be better than Gun Laying Drive, the other I use is Rammer. Silly me, thought Vertical Stabilizer was just for on the move only but it seems a benefit it, when moving into shoot, stop, you'll have 20% smaller reticle after stopping, instead of full size and shrinking 10% faster with Gun Laying Drive. But if I'm wrong, even if choosing to use it, please chime in.

I can understand the "bad idea" to use Spall Liner but I feel I get target by artillery a lot; yes I try to hide from them. Or move back/forth change directions.

spall liner is useless, go with GLD/VERTSTAB/RAMMER

 

[Possessed Freak]

hahaha.... still doesn't come close to my IS-3 match for damage blocked by armor

And the 29 penetrations that were against me were tracks being hit/destroyed.... Received about 2-3 damage total for that match.

That said, the exp is still so messed up in that... I did the most damage on the team, and most CERTAINLY blocked the most damage, keeping the most enemy tanks busy, got the only medals on the team, and yet, 5TH for exp!!!! BS, all because I hulled down in a position and held off more than half the enemy team (preventing them from getting to the flag to cap in encounter mode).

There is a penalty for being top tier hitting lower tier vehicles, as well as the lower tiers getting bonuses for hitting higher tier vehicles. You did not do excessive (2x your HP) damage, nor did you get much tracking/spotting damage. Further, was this is a capped out victory, if so then there was less damage dealt all game which makes for the low overall EXP. Finally, if I had to guess, the E2 probably got some spotting damage, did compatible damage to his hitpoints, probably against higher tiers.


Regarding the E100. I run ~10 AP, ~5 HE, and the rest are HEAT. This tank rarely gets side shots (when I use AP). When you are forces to punch through the front of tier 10 tanks with a bit of a derpy gun, I will continue to use HEAT.

 

[stag3]

lol funny game last night, was against a triple unicum/blunicum platoon on the other side (they had 9 blues/purples)
with just my platoon of me (green and 2 blunicums). we had a 31% win chance. (rest of our team were oranges/reds/blacks)
we were in a batchat and (2) e50m's on south coast. figured we'd stick together and just try to fight off beach as anywhere else we'd be dead with all flanks open. so 2-3 min into the game we're down 8 tanks already and decided to push cap. they had 1 is-8 watching beach and we steamrolled thru him and decided fuck it, let's try to cap out, our only chance. we made our way to their spawn and all jumped on cap @ the same time so they would have less time to react.

we were able to cap out and I was able to bounce 2 shots from an AMX50b that barely made it back with like 3 seconds to spare trying for a reset. i bet they were PISSED lmao. it's happened to me before and that's the worst way to lose imo. up huge, all the talent on your team and you get capped out.

 

[Possessed Freak]

we were able to cap out and I was able to bounce 2 shots from an AMX50b that barely made it back with like 3 seconds to spare trying for a reset. i bet they were PISSED lmao. it's happened to me before and that's the worst way to lose imo. up huge, all the talent on your team and you get capped out.

It is ALL on the enemy team. They should have seen the IS8 die on the beach to 3 blips. They should have sent something to solidify defense. But nope, they were hunting damage and padding stats. I go back to defend if I am in ANYTHING fast at ANY hitpoints to help ensure our chance at a win. I might not be needed, I might not get any additional damage, but I am NOT losing a game because nobody goes back.

 

[Patterner]

It is ALL on the enemy team. They should have seen the IS8 die on the beach to 3 blips. They should have sent something to solidify defense. But nope, they were hunting damage and padding stats. I go back to defend if I am in ANYTHING fast at ANY hitpoints to help ensure our chance at a win. I might not be needed, I might not get any additional damage, but I am NOT losing a game because nobody goes back.

I think that pithy quote from the loading screen makes this point: "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake, it's impolite!"

 

[Skott]

When playing the E100 and platooning in pub games should my team mates be biggest heavy tanks they can field to compliment or does it matter? I'm thinking the bigger and badder their tanks (heavies) the better. What compliments the E100 the best/most?

 

[datalink7]

I've seen 3x E100 platoons wreck face pretty well. All gang up on one flank. That's a ton of armor and hit points to get through. If you play it right, you rotate out of the front position when you take damage. Could mean close to 7k damage the enemy has to do before you start to die.

Then, while the reload is slow, focus fire that alpha for a 2250 damage shotgun blast every 15 seconds.

 

[dud]

Speaking of platooning ... I went into yesterday with a little less than a 50% win ration. Since last night I have played about 30 games ... and lost every single one of them. Many of the games were so lopsided to be beyond belief (think +8 or more for the winning side). Am I just having bad luck getting on teams that LACK platoons as team members or what?

The game is quickly becoming very unenjoyable for me ...

 

[datalink7]

Speaking of platooning ... I went into yesterday with a little less than a 50% win ration. Since last night I have played about 30 games ... and lost every single one of them. Many of the games were so lopsided to be beyond belief (think +8 or more for the winning side). Am I just having bad luck getting on teams that LACK platoons as team members or what?

The game is quickly becoming very unenjoyable for me ...

How many games have you played total?

Sometimes you just get on a run of donkey teams. I recently had a 28 percent win ratio, which is very bad for me. I'm a decent (though not great) player, so it was disheartening to lose that many games.

Bots get about a 40 percent win ratio, so how could I get 28 percent!?!

But over the long term it should even out, and as you get better your average win rate will go up.

I'd recommend taking a break for a bit, but also watching some streams of some players who are good to improve your skills. I like to watch QuickyBaby because he talks about his choices during most of the games he plays, explains his thoughts for doing things, and talks about possible mistakes he might have made.

You can go to his twitch channel and watch one of his steams (generally about 5 hours, so just click somewhere in the middle).

www.twitch.tv/quickybaby

Note that the last few are mostly from the test server, so avoid those, as they are previews of what is to come, and the matches are weird because people are trying out all the new tanks so they don't look like any normal matches you will see.

Here's actually a direct link to one:

http://www.twitch.tv/quickybaby/b/566819890

Edit: And to answer your question about platooning, I pretty much never platoon. Got close to a 54 percent win ratio. I'd guess if I had good platoons a lot, I might be closer to a 57% player, but I pretty much only play solo. Good platoons do help, but they aren't necessary to do good.

 

[stag3]

yea nothing you can do about those epic losing streaks, usually on weekends it happens to me. i've had a few 18+ games lost in a row and it fucking sucks. i don't think i've ever won more than 6-7 in a row however. i know it's hard to believe but overall it does average out.

just try to farm damage when you know you're gonna lose, it's about all you can do. w/r goes down, wn8 goes up and the other way around.

 

[Possessed Freak]

quickybaby is a nice stream and all (I actually don't agree with him in a lot of very specific things but that's okay). Depending on individual skill level, it might not be a good idea to watch a very good player stream.

Instead, learn one level up in skill level on how they play. If you are a sub 50%er, then try to find a stream of a 53%er, learn what it takes to play at that level. After you begin to play at that level (not overall, but recent stats) then move up a bit. Find a 55%er to watch. And so on.

For the love of all things holy, if you are a mediocre player, do not platoon with other mediocre players. At best you will not get any more bad habits, at worse you will listen to the other player and pick up some very bad ideas (camp 1-2 line in prohk, camp valley or worse... push valley in lakeville).

Legitimately, I am a 60%er (60% overall/ 2k wn8). On average I solo at 60% (can have a damn good/bad night), I platoon at 60%+, I behave like a 60%er. However, when I watch streams of damn good players (mostly the WGLNA gold league play), I understand that I can not even comprehend why they decided to do certain things. I still derp around corners, I still make horrible tactical decisions but my individual skillset can mostly cover these. I have platooned with REALLY good players and they get frustrated at my derpiness (as I get frustrated at their passiveness and unwilling to take damage).