[MMO] World of Tanks

[Possessed Freak]

Look ma! They're going to make World of Warplanes too!

That's kickass. I really hope they do a world of warships as well. Destroyers with torps, cruisers with torps and guns, BBs with the big guns, and carriers.

 

[Liet]

Sadly, I'm starting to lose my fanaticism for WoT. I'm premium and do well, nothing to complain about really, but am facing large grinds and need to take a break I guess. I've got my 100% crew VK3002DB (WHEEEEE) and am looking at another 80k to buy a Panther 1, then god knows how much longer to get a Panther 2 before the patch that introduces the E50.

I was playing Leo/Luchs/Panzer2/Hetzer/Stug/Hummel rounds to stay fresh, but it ain't happening.

World of Planes seems unnecessary. Aces High 2 is already the best MMOG air sim out there (though some might say IL-2, but pfffft! ), so how do they going to skim from an audience that already has two amazing air sims with undoubtedly better flight models than Wargaming can make?

 

[Possessed Freak]

I am now going down all the German lines in addition to the Russian heavy line. I am in love with my Marder II and had a very lucky First Victory bonus in it. I destroyed 2 heavies and wounded a TD and spotted 5 vehicles. I know the credits are a drop in the bucket to the big boys but man it was nice to get 2k research.

 

[Daverino]

I am now going down all the German lines in addition to the Russian heavy line. I am in love with my Marder II and had a very lucky First Victory bonus in it. I destroyed 2 heavies and wounded a TD and spotted 5 vehicles. I know the credits are a drop in the bucket to the big boys but man it was nice to get 2k research.

Just so you know now, the Marder II is probably the best T3 vehicle in any category. Fully upgraded, the 76mm gun that it sports is just a hair less powerful than the 76mm that American T5 heavies and mediums use. It is also pretty much invisible in a bush with a camo net. Granted that it has no armor to speak of, but it can easily get the drop on higher tier tanks and kill them before the Marder is spotted. It is vastly superior to the Hetzer and more or less equivalent to the StuG in the matches that it plays in. Yes, the StuG is a better TD (at T5) but it will get matched up against T6 and T7 tanks that it cannot handle. The worst a Marder II will ever see is a T5.

KVs, T1s, M4s, PzKpw IVs. . . all of these can be killed in short order by a Marder II.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Just so you know now, the Marder II is probably the best T3 vehicle in any category. Fully upgraded, the 76mm gun that it sports is just a hair less powerful than the 76mm that American T5 heavies and mediums use. It is also pretty much invisible in a bush with a camo net. Granted that it has no armor to speak of, but it can easily get the drop on higher tier tanks and kill them before the Marder is spotted. It is vastly superior to the Hetzer and more or less equivalent to the StuG in the matches that it plays in. Yes, the StuG is a better TD (at T5) but it will get matched up against T6 and T7 tanks that it cannot handle. The worst a Marder II will ever see is a T5.

KVs, T1s, M4s, PzKpw IVs. . . all of these can be killed in short order by a Marder II.

Yep, I know. I am not looking forward to "upgrading" the Marder, I wish they would flush out the skill tree and allow for the Marder III route. I like the concept of glass cannons.

The game I had was on cliff where I wedged myself against a rock wall. All three enemy arty were trying to hit me (I know because of the synchronized attacks) and 2 heavies eventually came after me. I one shot a wounded T1 and it took 3 to kill a KV with the 152 mounted (his shot missed obviously). A hetzer eventually came around to one shot me (I did get a final shot to damage him). It was a glorious battle that a tier 3 one shot wonder held up an entire flank.

 

[stag3]

i hope the DB is really good cuz i'm ready to drop the vk3001p LOL, and go down another line

 

[Elcs]

i hope the DB is really good cuz i'm ready to drop the vk3001p LOL, and go down another line

The VK3002(DB) is really fun. At stock, it is quite nice and it improves after that. I recommend making it Elite before moving on.

At stock, the Panther is a bit of dog but once you get the 8.8cm L/71 on it, you'll have some fun. With all of the Engine upgrades, it's really fun.

 

[PowerYoga]

Slowly grinding towards the T-44. Anybody remember if you need the tracks before sticking on the turret? The thing starts out with a piddly 85mm and I think I'll kill myself if I try to shoot IS-3s and 4s with a 85.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Slowly grinding towards the T-44. Anybody remember if you need the tracks before sticking on the turret? The thing starts out with a piddly 85mm and I think I'll kill myself if I try to shoot IS-3s and 4s with a 85.

yes, the tracks are needed first.

 

[Elcs]

You guys need to check out the Newsletter. Lots of new imagrs, a movie and I have two articles in there

I've also been accepted as a Super Tester... We'll see how that goes.

Enjoying the Tiger somewhat. It rips apart things... if it is not targeted by anything. If spotted, it's like a US Med... a non-bouncy block of Hit Points.

 

[PowerYoga]

So what's the super-testing all about? I saw the announcement for the longest time and have no idea what they're really doing with it other than "it will begin soon".

 

[Elcs]

So what's the super-testing all about? I saw the announcement for the longest time and have no idea what they're really doing with it other than "it will begin soon".

Apparently they go in, check the existing maps and tanks for bugs, as well as checking new maps and new tanks.

All under NDA of course.

 

[dougp]

Apparently they go in, check the existing maps and tanks for bugs, as well as checking new maps and new tanks.

All under NDA of course.

I think I'm done with WoT because the grind and matchups get infuriating beyond belief. I wish they'd really restrict or at least take into consideration how things are matched up because I was 1 shotted most of my games trying to level up. When you can't get any XP, or you're getting 80 a game, it really sucks ass.

 

[PowerYoga]

I think I'm done with WoT because the grind and matchups get infuriating beyond belief. I wish they'd really restrict or at least take into consideration how things are matched up because I was 1 shotted most of my games trying to level up. When you can't get any XP, or you're getting 80 a game, it really sucks ass.

I agree. But I found the match opponents to vary greatly depending on your time of the day. If you play during peak hour, you'll find a much more manageable spread. Otherwise you'll be smacking into the biggest tanks.

What are you driving? Being 1-shotted by big tanks, I'm guessing you're in tier 3-5, which is the hardest tier to grind through. Your gun sucks at that point, and you'd be lucky to be able to damage a T1 heavy or a KV.

When the game launched, everyone were in more or less the same level spread but now you'll see a lot of farming tier 5 heavies.

 

[Possessed Freak]

I think I'm done with WoT because the grind and matchups get infuriating beyond belief. I wish they'd really restrict or at least take into consideration how things are matched up because I was 1 shotted most of my games trying to level up. When you can't get any XP, or you're getting 80 a game, it really sucks ass.

Ah, but it absolutely hysterical to one shot a tank that is 1-2 tiers higher than you.

 

[cecco]

I've got to admit, I've sneaked up on Tier 5 tanks and TDs at 100% with my SU-152 152mm cannon AP round. Proceeded to shoot them once, take them out and say: "Man, that guy must be pissed off right about now".

What I tend to do is go with what's working at the time. If I'm on a hot streak with a particular tank. I stick with it and see how far I can ride it, then switch. It has worked well for now.

I've got everything researched out on the Tiger II and not trying to speed grind the VK4502. I'll get there when I get there.

 

[Possessed Freak]

Quick question...
If you create a platoon, and have a 1 higher tier tank than the rest of your mates, does that artificially pull in the lower tanks into a higher tier game?

 

[SergeC]

Quick question...
If you create a platoon, and have a 1 higher tier tank than the rest of your mates, does that artificially pull in the lower tanks into a higher tier game?

Yes, you're matched based on the highest-matching tank in your group.

 

[Skott]

I been working on my T1 again. Finally got to the M6 and sold the T1. Grind, grind, grind...

 

[Elcs]

I've got everything researched out on the Tiger II and not trying to speed grind the VK4502. I'll get there when I get there.

With the VK4052P Ausf. B, there'd be a temptation there to store up the experience and wait until the German patch (6.6). The Tiger II then leads directly onto the E-75 and E-100.

On a side note: My Tiger is now fully upgraded and now I begin the 83k haul for the King Tiger. My M41 US T5 SPG needs another 50k before I get my M12 US T6 SPG. It's different and so laid back. Makes a change from brown panting myself in a Pershing or other Medium.

 

[Skott]

With the VK4052P Ausf. B, there'd be a temptation there to store up the experience and wait until the German patch (6.6). The Tiger II then leads directly onto the E-75 and E-100.

On a side note: My Tiger is now fully upgraded and now I begin the 83k haul for the King Tiger. My M41 US T5 SPG needs another 50k before I get my M12 US T6 SPG. It's different and so laid back. Makes a change from brown panting myself in a Pershing or other Medium.

So get the KT and hold there and let the XP build up? Hmmm... maybe I should push on my tiger then and get the KT asap.

Update: 96,291 creds with only 4 kills. Still trying to get that illusive 100k mark. LOL

Update2: 100,833 creds. 2 kills and 7 damaged. YES!

 

[Possessed Freak]

Yes, you're matched based on the highest-matching tank in your group.

Well that sucks.

 

[cecco]

I'm a little confused. I thought the E-50 and E-75 were the prototypes names for the Panther II and Tiger II respectively. Only the E-100 was something somewhat different.

 

[Elcs]

So get the KT and hold there and let the XP build up? Hmmm... maybe I should push on my tiger then and get the KT asap.

Update: 96,291 creds with only 4 kills. Still trying to get that illusive 100k mark. LOL

Update2: 100,833 creds. 2 kills and 7 damaged. YES!

That's my plan.

Right now it goes:
Tiger -> King Tiger -> VK4502P Ausf B -> Maus

It changes to:
Tiger -> King Tiger -> E-75 -> E-100
(and later they' all in the other tree)
Tiger P -> VK4502P Ausf A -> VK4502P Ausf B -> Maus

So I reckon on stopping at the King Tiger but earn approximately the right amount of experience for the VK4502P Ausf B. That means when 6.6 comes in (late July, August time) I'll slip right into an E-75.

I'm a little confused. I thought the E-50 and E-75 were the prototypes names for the Panther II and Tiger II respectively. Only the E-100 was something somewhat different.

According to Wiki, the E-50 was meant as a replacement for the Panther and E-75 meant to replace the King Tiger and JagdTiger. It doesn't expand much on those descriptions but I'd assume that the E-50 was a Panther II rival paper design.

 

[Merad]

I think I'm done with WoT because the grind and matchups get infuriating beyond belief. I wish they'd really restrict or at least take into consideration how things are matched up because I was 1 shotted most of my games trying to level up. When you can't get any XP, or you're getting 80 a game, it really sucks ass.

The game really is fundamentally flawed in the mid levels.

Tiers 1-3 are ok, you're pretty much always competitive and mostly get lower level, evenly matched games. Tier 8+ again is ok. Even with stock equipment you can usually damage anyone you meet.

Tier 4-7 though... you're thrown again exponentially tougher tanks, and when you upgrade (even if you bring over a few upgraded components) you're so hopelessly outmatched that you can't contribute anything until grind your way to a much better gun. And since you can't contribute anything, you can't earn any decent amount of xp, so that grind is long and unpleasant.

Prime example: Bought a PzIII this morning. I carried over the best possible gun from the PzIII A, but it's just a little 5cm thing. Barely capable of damaging tier 4 opponents, forget about anything bigger. First match, I'm tossed into a tier 7 game. I was averaging about 350 xp per game on the PzIII A, to now probably about 90 per game on the PzIII. And this is with premium.

It was much the same in the US line, though the real pain started with the T1 Heavy. Every battle on it was painful, and I ended up buying my way through most of it with converted xp from my Lowe. The M6 was just as painful and terrible as the T1 until a finally got the 90mm M3 gun unlocked.

Ultimately if they don't do something to improve this it may really hurt the game in the long run. Just when they should be trying to really suck people in, they instead introduce them to a painful grind.