[MMO] World of Tanks

[Liet]

So have I. So have a lot of people. So what?

But I dare you to tell me you do it consistently. I already know you're generally full of shit about WoT, but I'd just like it confirmed.

Higher tier mediums do the job as well or better, due to survivability.

 

[Nik]

So have I. So have a lot of people. So what?

But I dare you to tell me you do it consistently. I already know you're generally full of shit about WoT, but I'd just like it confirmed.

Higher tier mediums do the job as well or better, due to survivability.

I started this thread, bub. I've been playing the game a LOT longer than you have. Generally full of shit about WoT? What rock did you crawl out from under? Welcome to the reality, buddy.

You can scream and yell all you want about how terrible a tank is. However, while you do so, would you mind standing off to the side? You're getting in the way of those who are actually doing well in the tanks you're bitching about in the tiers you're bitching about.

You can want tier 4 tanks to be useless in higher tier matches all you want -till you're blue in the face!!

It won't change the fact that there are plenty of people out there, like myself, who do awesome in tier 4 tanks, even against tier 6's and 7's. Nothing like sitting off in the distance behind a bush, invisible, repeatedly tracking larger tanks that are mixing it up with my team's tanks that are bigger than I am. It's fun to track them or shoot for key areas like the gun shroud to try disabling their gun. It's fun to pick apart engines % by %, reducing their effectiveness, while my teammates run circles around and destroy the target. Just because you don't have a +1 to your kill count doesn't mean you're not doing well or that you're playing the tank wrong. In fact, the number of kills you have is completely arbitrary and, according to data on the russian forums, each kill does so little to increase your xp in the end-game algorithm that it's practically useless as far as xp gain goes.

Higher tier mediums do a completely different job. They have higher survivability, so they're going to be closer to the front line. They're more of a "presence" to stop an hold an enemy or group of enemies in one location or keep their attention while other members of the group fulfill their role.

Derp. Learn to play.

 

[Liet]

Thanks, I was just hoping you'd waste time on a long post I'm not going to read.

Golden rule, Nik, golden rule.

 

[Possessed Freak]

I've RACED behind enemy lines in a MUCH higher tier match and managed to kill ALL the arty in my little scout.

I have too, and as I mentioned it does serve some purpose. However, I *wish* that there was a separate line of development for light tanks. Forcing people to play higher tier games because the developers think that the tanks are useful in those games (when in reality they are *still* more useful in games nearer their tier) just so that players can finally get to the medium line is ridiculous.

Why is it that when people complain about the negatives of games others claim they are just whining. Chances are there is some merit behind the complaint.

 

[Nik]

Thanks, I was just hoping you'd waste time on a long post I'm not going to read.

Golden rule, Nik, golden rule.

Thanks for proving that you're nothing more than a worthless troll. :thumbsup:

 

[Maximilian]

lol @ defending tier 4... Tier 4 is horrible, no fun for anyone.

 

[Merad]

Wrong. You whiners need to learn to play.

I've RACED behind enemy lines in a MUCH higher tier match and managed to kill ALL the arty in my little scout.

Like I said, Just because YOU don't know what the fuck you're doing doesn't mean the chassis is at fault.

That has more to do with the enemy team sucking than it does with your skill.

 

[Liet]

hehe, so true. That's why I dared him to say he does it consistently. It's not a matter of L2P... he just won't admit that a P38NA is a waste of a slot in a game with IS4s and Lowes, and it's not fun to be thrown into those games over and over and over and over and over.

 

[stag3]

i hated HATEDDDDDD my ausf a, pzIII/IV, and now the 3001p
HORRIBLE tanks, made me want to quit the game

 

[Liet]

Man, I'm sorry. I was lucky and skipped the III/IV. The 3001P is SUCH a horrible pain to play starting stock. Even fully upgraded you don't feel like you can stand toe-to-toe with the tiers you're thrown up against. At least, I didn't, even while sniping.

 

[Elcs]

i hated HATEDDDDDD my ausf a, pzIII/IV, and now the 3001p
HORRIBLE tanks, made me want to quit the game

I hated my PzIII Ausf A, PzIII then really enjoyed the PzIII/IV (fully upgraded) before despising the VK3001(P) which I left as stock.

The DB and Panther are well worth it. Not sure about the Panther II but I've heard of some people with the 10.5cm who think that the Panther is the most powerful T9.

Man, I'm sorry. I was lucky and skipped the III/IV. The 3001P is SUCH a horrible pain to play starting stock. Even fully upgraded you don't feel like you can stand toe-to-toe with the tiers you're thrown up against. At least, I didn't, even while sniping.

That's why you don't upgrade the 3001P

 

[Nik]

hehe, so true. That's why I dared him to say he does it consistently. It's not a matter of L2P... he just won't admit that a P38NA is a waste of a slot in a game with IS4s and Lowes, and it's not fun to be thrown into those games over and over and over and over and over.

Pair up with me and watch me do it all night in my A20.

I just won't admit what? That you don't know how to play a certain tank? Sure, I'll admit that for you.

Christ. I haven't even played a P38NA but it's not the only tank in its class and I never said I did play it, dolts. I haven't offered an opinion on that tank in any way other than the "learn to play it, tards" response that you deserve.

If you want a real discussion, stop playing fucking childish games like "he just won't admit that..." and then throw in something that I haven't even discussed.

 

[stag3]

I hated my PzIII Ausf A, PzIII then really enjoyed the PzIII/IV (fully upgraded) before despising the VK3001(P) which I left as stock.

The DB and Panther are well worth it. Not sure about the Panther II but I've heard of some people with the 10.5cm who think that the Panther is the most powerful T9.



That's why you don't upgrade the 3001P

from what i understand the DB uses the same guns as the 3001p correct?
if so, is it that much faster or something? only thing i can see is more HP, but i would think it plays the same as the 3001p which was horrible LOL, that's why i decided to pass on the DB for now and got my IS

 

[Liet]

That's why you don't upgrade the 3001P

haha, good point! You should put that in your guide if you haven't already!

 

[Elcs]

from what i understand the DB uses the same guns as the 3001p correct?
if so, is it that much faster or something? only thing i can see is more HP, but i would think it plays the same as the 3001p which was horrible LOL, that's why i decided to pass on the DB for now and got my IS

I never bothered upgrading the VK3001P but the DB is great at stock.

Front armour is heavily angled... it bounces.
Upgraded turret is beastly like the PzIV (120mm front)
Great acceleration and good top speed.

And.... it's pretty darn good. I think it has the same guns as the 3001P but the platform from which it delivers it is much more effective.

 

[Possessed Freak]

hehe, so true. That's why I dared him to say he does it consistently. It's not a matter of L2P... he just won't admit that a P38NA is a waste of a slot in a game with IS4s and Lowes, and it's not fun to be thrown into those games over and over and over and over and over.

The issue I have with the 38NA is it is slower than my Panzer III, and it is lighter armed than the same Panzer III. Now again, I am saying that these scout/fast tanks have a purpose in the game *if* there are scoutable targets. But you really want me to toss a camo net and optics on a POS tier IV tank that I am trying to grind out of?

http://www.personal.psu.edu/emr131/wot/shot_007.jpg
First game I had in my 38NA last night. I felt real useful, along with the other scout on our team. I sat hiding in a bush midway up the side as an advance scout. Sitting there I got to witness an Easy Eight stroll up and park in a bush. Then he disappeared from view. A few seconds later I was lit up by 3 heavies and the Easy Eight. Died so quick that the allied supporters could not line up shots quick enough before the opponents faded away.

Yeah I was *real* useful and I am sure I played it wrong!

 

[Nik]

Keep in mind that Wargaming intentionally made the german tanks weaker than their russian counterparts, for the motherland and all that.

 

[PowerYoga]

I've taken out tiger IIs with my stug, and you never get matched up against a tier 9 (IS-4, 4502 etc). Unless you're platooning of course.

Bottom of the line is, if you're in a tier 4 vs some huge tanks, you change your playstyle or you'll have a hell of a time. You can't rush out there and expect people to miss and then rage when you get 1 shotted. You have to be smart about your driving (face it, that's all you'll be doing unless you ram into an arty) and be careful with your routes.

The best scouts are not the ones that run out, light up the whole enemy team and then die. The best scouts are the ones that stick with you and continuously light up 2-3 tanks while the big tanks pick them apart.

If you play a tier 8 game like you're playing a tier 4 game then yeah, of course you'll get creamed and then whine on a board about how tier 4 sucks and needs to be buffed...

 

[Possessed Freak]

And just so you know that I can play my 38NA to some effect:

http://www.personal.psu.edu/emr131/wot/shot_010.jpg

But granted, we would have won without me, and getting invader was cool but really, we had 6 tanks on the map left and they had one. I did get a really sweet shot on that KV-3 though, tracked him from his own base and the rest of the allies just blew him apart. The M6 kept trying to kill me, ignoring the guys that could really hurt him. The Bison just advanced too far. He died in 3 seconds of mass explosions.

 

[stag3]

i switched back to the 100mm on the IS, and i'm making money again and getting more research points, go figure

 

[Merad]

i switched back to the 100mm on the IS, and i'm making money again and getting more research points, go figure

The 122 (and most of the high end guns, really..) costs over 1000 per shot. It's easy to lose money with it if you have a bad game.

 

[stag3]

haha even on good games i'd break even or barely make anything
the ROF on the 100 helps against mediums and tiers below, not a big deal
since i had to research both 122's anyways for the IS-3 coming up

wondering if i should try the better gun on the su152 now, i've been using the derp
since i've gotten it

 

[Shmee]

lol @ defending tier 4... Tier 4 is horrible, no fun for anyone.

The hetzer is tons of fun, once upgraded. Sure beats the pz3 or t28 at least. Anyone here have any advice for playing the Jtiger? seems to be a lot harder to do well in than the ferdi, i wonder if its just the matchmaking?

Crew is at 100%, got the tracks and big gun, one more engine to go. Just got the gun tonight. Still, it seems the ferdi bounced a lot more shots.

 

[PowerYoga]

The hetzer is tons of fun, once upgraded. Sure beats the pz3 or t28 at least. Anyone here have any advice for playing the Jtiger? seems to be a lot harder to do well in than the ferdi, i wonder if its just the matchmaking?

Crew is at 100%, got the tracks and big gun, one more engine to go. Just got the gun tonight. Still, it seems the ferdi bounced a lot more shots.

I thought it was the general consensus that JT frontal armor is way easy to penetrate. Dunno if they fixed that yet.

 

[Elcs]

I thought it was the general consensus that JT frontal armor is way easy to penetrate. Dunno if they fixed that yet.

JP, Ferdi and JT received major armour, camo and module fixes in 6.4.