[MMO] World of Tanks

[Genx87]

List of pen nerfs

T57: Penetration: 258(269)/340(381)/60
T110E5: Penetration: 258(269)/340(381)/60
Patton mk3: Penetration: 268/330(350)/53
T110E4: no pen changes
T-62A: Penetration: 264/330(350)/50
IS-7: Penetration:250(260)/303/68 AP nerf? weird
IS-4: Penetration: 258(268)/340(400)/68
Object 268: no pen changes
Object 263 no pen changes
Maus: no pen changes
E-100: no pen changes
E-50M: Penetration:270/330(350)/60
Leopard 1: Penetration:268/330(350)/53
Jpz E-100: no pen changes
AMX 50B: Penetration:257(267)/325(351)/65 yes AP nerf as well
Batchat: Penetration:259/330(360)/53
Foch 155: no pen changes
FV4202: no pen changes
FV215b: Penetration: 259(269)/326(351)/120 yes AP nerf as well
FV215b 183: no pen changes
121: Penetration: 258(268)/340(400)/68 yes ap nerf as well
113: Penetration: 249(257)/340(400)/68
IS-2: no pen changes


Have to admit, slightly excited given I bought an E100 and will probably get the E50M instead of the leopard. But curious if next patch the mediums will get a pen nerf. Seems like they came through untouched. On the other hand happy I didnt rebuy the IS7 instead.

 

[PowerYoga]

it's dominated since it came out, excellent gun, best mobility, only weakspots are the side back like other tanks.

i just hate the fact every tier X i got has been nerfed to shit LOL
maus, e100, is-7, amx50b all crap
at least i do ok with the is-4 if i angle correctly

It has an excellent gun but it has huge weak spots in the front. The whole entire lower glacis is auto-pen for tier 9 and 10 guns and there's a huge tumor on the top of the turret. The turret cheeks are also vulnerable. It's like the lowe when it first came out: people don't have any ideas on how to shoot it and think its "omg armor so op". It's mobile for a tier 10 but has side armor that can be penned by a tier 5. Not to mention a lower glacis pen means dead driver half the time.

The tank relies on angles to bounce and arty frequently deal full pen damage on it. Even the upper glacis is easily pennable if you are facehugging it. It's hull down abilities are not great because of the tumor either. It's a great tier 10 for clan wars because of its mobility and not because of its durability.

 

[stag3]

i thought they fixed the tumor on the turret, i haven't been able to reliably pen it lately
unless im face hugging it

 

[PowerYoga]

i thought they fixed the tumor on the turret, i haven't been able to reliably pen it lately
unless im face hugging it

The tumor is pennable reliably by 200mm guns, subject to weird angles of course.

 

[stag3]

for the is-4 i want to angle the front \_/ so that the angle is facing the other tank and no flat spots are right?

 

[Harabec]

Got my first ever Patrol Duty...in my M103, haha.
Other than an IS-8, the rest of the team camped way back (on Airfield) and only advanced later on.

 

[stag3]

god fail teams again, i thought it was only 5x weekend that people would keep lemming 1 way, i need to uninstall this game

 

[PowerYoga]

for the is-4 i want to angle the front \_/ so that the angle is facing the other tank and no flat spots are right?

IS4 is a reverse sidescraper. The 2 "shoulders" are where the ammo racks are and you really don't want to present that as a flat surface, so any sort of angling you do from the front tends to reduce the effectiveness of that armor and gets your ammo rack damaged.

The frontal armor is still easily penetrable, but the lower glacis is especially weak (120-160 mm or something ridiculously weak). The commander's hatch is no longer auto-pen (A bit thicker now or something) but IS4's front armor is still worthless in general. With the reduction of the gun depression there's no way for the IS4 to hull down... and if it tries to face hug you, the "flap" on top of the gun is actually a hit box and is auto-pen (20mm) if you hit into it. To it's merit, it's a tiny thing that's difficult to hit unless you're facehugging. And in close range the driver hatch on the front is more easily penned and the angles are negated by the IS4 being shorter than almost every tank in the game.

The only redeeming feature is the angled thick side armor which can eat shells like no tomorrow in ideal conditions. But arty will shoot your ass off because you're a slug and turn like one.

As a note: I've sold the piece of shit. Lol russian bias. My 4 skill crew is now cleaning the barracks. :awe:

 

[Nintendesert]

I sold my IS4 too, I really hated the tank. Side scraping was great in it, but if I wanted to do side scraping all day I can do that in an E100 but still have decent frontal armor especially if I angle correctly.

I'm really loving the idea of penetration nerfs. I missed the old slug 'em out days without every high tier gun punching holes in everything.

 

[Skott]

Usually during the day people are fairly smart and I can have some great fights. Not today. Of course I was playing in my 103 since it got a 30% income boost. Every battle I was dead in 3 minutes. Every team I was on didn't care about support. They see a tank and go somewhere else leaving me to duke it out alone. Not the enemy team though. They knew what support was and did it with all their heavies. Not my team. Get a couple behind me and they'd go off another direction once we encountered the bad guys.

 

[PowerYoga]

Usually during the day people are fairly smart and I can have some great fights. Not today. Of course I was playing in my 103 since it got a 30% income boost. Every battle I was dead in 3 minutes. Every team I was on didn't care about support. They see a tank and go somewhere else leaving me to duke it out alone. Not the enemy team though. They knew what support was and did it with all their heavies. Not my team. Get a couple behind me and they'd go off another direction once we encountered the bad guys.

When that happens I base camp one side with 1 other person in a good hull down position and wait for the lemmings to crest. That usually lets you chain track + damage their tank at the same time. In a scary tank with good ROF like the 103 people will think twice before charging you. Usually I can delay the other team long enough for them to CapFast™.

Or just follow the lemmings so your tank doesn't blow up.

 

[Maximilian]

IS4 is a reverse sidescraper. The 2 "shoulders" are where the ammo racks are and you really don't want to present that as a flat surface, so any sort of angling you do from the front tends to reduce the effectiveness of that armor and gets your ammo rack damaged.

The frontal armor is still easily penetrable, but the lower glacis is especially weak (120-160 mm or something ridiculously weak). The commander's hatch is no longer auto-pen (A bit thicker now or something) but IS4's front armor is still worthless in general. With the reduction of the gun depression there's no way for the IS4 to hull down... and if it tries to face hug you, the "flap" on top of the gun is actually a hit box and is auto-pen (20mm) if you hit into it. To it's merit, it's a tiny thing that's difficult to hit unless you're facehugging. And in close range the driver hatch on the front is more easily penned and the angles are negated by the IS4 being shorter than almost every tank in the game.

The only redeeming feature is the angled thick side armor which can eat shells like no tomorrow in ideal conditions. But arty will shoot your ass off because you're a slug and turn like one.

As a note: I've sold the piece of shit. Lol russian bias. My 4 skill crew is now cleaning the barracks. :awe:

How the mighty have fallen.

I remember when the IS4 was the best tier 9 and could give tier 10's a run for their money. Poor IS4

 

[0___________0]

I run a crew with full camo that I trained off of my Hellcat on my T28 Proto, but after looking at the base camo values for it, which are kind of low, I've been wondering if it's actually that effective, since the skill and equipment only modify your base. Would it be better for me to retrain to BiA, or is the camo still beneficial enough that I should keep it?

 

[stag3]

lol see what i mean? i have the maus, e100, is7 and is4 and they've been nerfed to shit
im trying to get past the t29 as fast as i can on the way to the t110e5 but man it's taking forever.

 

[Craig234]

I run a crew with full camo that I trained off of my Hellcat on my T28 Proto, but after looking at the base camo values for it, which are kind of low, I've been wondering if it's actually that effective, since the skill and equipment only modify your base. Would it be better for me to retrain to BiA, or is the camo still beneficial enough that I should keep it?

First, I don't know. Second, every bit helps, if you camp like a good td.

But I can see the camo net giving you most of the benefit, and not needing the smaller boost from crew skills over things from sixth sense to turning faster to BiA.

But I don't have numbers comparing things.

One option is keep camo as your 'partial' skill as you train to 100%, since many of the other skills need 100% to take effect.

 

[Genx87]

I must be hitting the MM jackpot. Over the past two days I am avg 90% win rate. Even my last game XVM gave us a 33% chance to win and it was a blowout in our favor.

 

[Possessed Freak]

lol see what i mean? i have the maus, e100, is7 and is4 and they've been nerfed to shit
im trying to get past the t29 as fast as i can on the way to the t110e5 but man it's taking forever.

The E100 got a significant boost by way of armor normalization recently. The Maus AND E100 are going to get another boost with 8.6 and the reduced pen values of most guns.

 

[Nintendesert]

The E100 got a significant boost by way of armor normalization recently. The Maus AND E100 are going to get another boost with 8.6 and the reduced pen values of most guns.

Sure, but offset by the move to premium ammo to silver and not gold. I know I never shot that crap until it no longer required gold, then I slung that stuff like it was cool! :biggrin:

 

[stag3]

i had a lulz game last night in my maus, this is4 boxed me in from the back, and his teammates came at me to box me in from the front and sides, i was able to kill about 4 tanks including the is-4 and survive, he hardly damaged me and he was firing directly at my rear, i could not tell if he had the stock gun, i'm assuming he did. when he boxed me in i was like shit i'm fucked

 

[Genx87]

Or he was a moron and firing HE. I have seen this happen more often than not. One night I nearly died inside watching our lowe try to kill a T29 using HE. The T29 didnt help matters by firing HE himself. The battle between these two nitwits lasted 4-5 mins as they widdled each other down 30hp at a time.

The lowe eventually won and ended the game. Yeah, these two were the last survivors.

 

[Harabec]

I've seen an IS-3 with a BL-9 shoot HE in a T8 match.
Never underestimate your fellow pubbies...

 

[stag3]

yea i never looked @ his gun, i was busy fighting off the other 3 tanks then finally turned and finished off the is4, he must have hit me at least 10x tho and i ended the match with 500+ or so hp

 

[Fallen Kell]

I've seen an IS-3 with a BL-9 shoot HE in a T8 match.
Never underestimate your fellow pubbies...

I've had to resort to that when I run out of other rounds... Was funny as hell one match when I was only left with HE and it was just me left vs a 100% E-100. I used every bit of my speed and wits to win, but win I did (made him miss 4 shots by stopping/reversing directions just before he fired, and made another 2 shots hit my tracks, which I repaired before he could ram me to facehug).

 

[Skott]

I run a crew with full camo that I trained off of my Hellcat on my T28 Proto, but after looking at the base camo values for it, which are kind of low, I've been wondering if it's actually that effective, since the skill and equipment only modify your base. Would it be better for me to retrain to BiA, or is the camo still beneficial enough that I should keep it?

Running a T28 Proto crew with 100% camo training and camo net makes a difference. I have run it with and without on my T28 Proto. I'd never run the T28 Proto without it again.

 

[Skott]

When that happens I base camp one side with 1 other person in a good hull down position and wait for the lemmings to crest. That usually lets you chain track + damage their tank at the same time. In a scary tank with good ROF like the 103 people will think twice before charging you. Usually I can delay the other team long enough for them to CapFast™.

Or just follow the lemmings so your tank doesn't blow up.

Today was better. Played for 2 hours this afternoon and the team play was much better. People cooperating more. Yesterday was just a sad day I guess. Also late last night was pretty good too. I got that last 120mm gun and boy it sure does make a difference with that extra penetration and reduced aim time. I die but I sure do some serious damage now before going down. If I can get another heavy with me I can really tear into their ranks.