[MMO] World of Tanks

[datalink7]

quickybaby is a nice stream and all (I actually don't agree with him in a lot of very specific things but that's okay). Depending on individual skill level, it might not be a good idea to watch a very good player stream.

Instead, learn one level up in skill level on how they play. If you are a sub 50%er, then try to find a stream of a 53%er, learn what it takes to play at that level. After you begin to play at that level (not overall, but recent stats) then move up a bit. Find a 55%er to watch. And so on.

For the love of all things holy, if you are a mediocre player, do not platoon with other mediocre players. At best you will not get any more bad habits, at worse you will listen to the other player and pick up some very bad ideas (camp 1-2 line in prohk, camp valley or worse... push valley in lakeville).

This could be true, though I think something can still be learned from watching high calibur players.

When I was a terribad player (at around 2k games and 48 percent win rate), I started watching The Mighty Jingles. That might be a better place to start. Jingles isn't nearly as good as Quickybaby, but he has a lot of videos and has a fun presentation style (which is why he has 250,000 subscribers). He doesn't stream (though he joins Quickybaby and Circon and others), but he has a good amount of youtube content. Any new players could probably follow him and learn some stuff before moving on to unicum players.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpnjlvS2zxhbNJuGNo_TxkQ

As for quicky, he's certainly not a perfect player. But I do like that he vocalizes his thoughts on why he does stuff a lot, and does an after action review most of the time for his losses about what he could have done (in his mind) better. This is helpful for me to understand why he does certain things and helped me to learn a lot of mechanics that I didn't know about.

For instance, he explains why he loads premium rounds when he does, why he makes certain shots in certain locations, explains weak points, explains what crews do, etc. This was all very helpful for me as a new player.

Watching him, Jingles and Circon I went from a 48 percenter with less than 1000 in each stat category to 54 percenter and "good" to "very good" in each category. If I get less than 2k wn8 now in a play session, I consider it as having not played up to par. Though here I'm talking "just" 2k, not even mid 2k. I'm not that good yet. Anywhere from 1900-2100 is about my skill level right now (for WN8). My last 1000 battle stats are 1628 Performance Rating, 1730 Efficiency Rating, 1688 WN7, 2016 WN8. I attribute much of my move from my terribad 2k games play style to my decent current game play (at 8k games) to watching good players play and trying to pick things up.

Also, I feel you on being aggessive sometimes. I enjoy being aggressive and then outplaying people I run into, but sometimes this gets me into trouble. If I didn't enjoy aggressiveness so much maybe I'd be able to get a higher WN8 rating (2.5k+), but it's not as fun for me to play passive.

 

[mryellow]

Also, I feel you on being aggessive sometimes. I enjoy being aggressive and then outplaying people I run into, but sometimes this gets me into trouble. If I didn't enjoy aggressiveness so much maybe I'd be able to get a higher WN8 rating (2.5k+), but it's not as fun for me to play passive.

I took a several month long break from WoT and when I started playing again a few weeks ago my biggest problem was being too aggressive and putting myself out of position, something I still do too frequently.

If you're playing up to 2k wn8 your overall driving is probably fine, you just need to learn the best positions/counter-positions on maps and tailoring your response to enemy team makeup and your expected ally support.

 

[BoT]

quickybaby is a nice stream and all (I actually don't agree with him in a lot of very specific things but that's okay). Depending on individual skill level, it might not be a good idea to watch a very good player stream.

Instead, learn one level up in skill level on how they play. If you are a sub 50%er, then try to find a stream of a 53%er, learn what it takes to play at that level. After you begin to play at that level (not overall, but recent stats) then move up a bit. Find a 55%er to watch. And so on.

For the love of all things holy, if you are a mediocre player, do not platoon with other mediocre players. At best you will not get any more bad habits, at worse you will listen to the other player and pick up some very bad ideas (camp 1-2 line in prohk, camp valley or worse... push valley in lakeville).

Legitimately, I am a 60%er (60% overall/ 2k wn8). On average I solo at 60% (can have a damn good/bad night), I platoon at 60%+, I behave like a 60%er. However, when I watch streams of damn good players (mostly the WGLNA gold league play), I understand that I can not even comprehend why they decided to do certain things. I still derp around corners, I still make horrible tactical decisions but my individual skillset can mostly cover these. I have platooned with REALLY good players and they get frustrated at my derpiness (as I get frustrated at their passiveness and unwilling to take damage).

it was horrible watching some of those games. 14 min of clutching behind corners with a 1 minute last attempt to break a dawning draw. too many of those.

If you do watch streams watch different ones. anfield and sela are out there too. this will not only show you advance play styles but also different tactics and different play styles. of course don't forget the mighty jingles to lift your mood about the game and remind you not to take it too serious (which is something I often do).

 

[Skott]

If I get into a long losing streak I find logging all the way out and logging back in does help at times. Breaks that rythm the game has when assigning players and getting the teams you had before. You know, the sucky teams. Not a perfect science but it does work sometimes.

As far as platooning goes yeah you need to platoon with good players if you want to win. Platooning helps you win battles but only if your platoon mates know what they are doing. All three tanks should compliment each other. If you do the 'just play what you want' routine you are more likely to lose because the differences between the tanks can be too much.

 

[stag3]

I took a several month long break from WoT and when I started playing again a few weeks ago my biggest problem was being too aggressive and putting myself out of position, something I still do too frequently.

If you're playing up to 2k wn8 your overall driving is probably fine, you just need to learn the best positions/counter-positions on maps and tailoring your response to enemy team makeup and your expected ally support.

story of my life, way to aggressive, sometimes it pays off, most times it doesn't hahahaha
high risk high reward!

 

[stag3]

well i ended up skipping 2 days during the event as i was busy with work and stuff. ended up at 656 in fame points. so no go on the 112 but i did end up with a T23E3.

 

[datalink7]

I've been working so much I didn't realize there was an event. Didn't play at all yesterday. I already have the 112 though, but it would have been fun to pick up the T23E3

 

[Possessed Freak]

Assuming the event was stronghold/clanwars related?

 

[datalink7]

Oh well if it was stronghold clan related I wouldn't have had a chance anyway. My clan consists of pretty much just me . No stronghold at all.

 

[stag3]

clan wars mini campaign, was a separate map

 

[Skott]

I've been working so much I didn't realize there was an event. Didn't play at all yesterday. I already have the 112 though, but it would have been fun to pick up the T23E3

How is the 112? Its a Chinese premium tank isnt it? Curious how good it is compared to other T8 tanks. Also against non premium counterparts.

 

[Possessed Freak]

clan wars mini campaign, was a separate map

I have very little respect for the ones who got the premium tanks in the past. I have seen very few players with an M60 do well in it. I have NEVER seen a player with a failowe do decent. I have seen players with 50% win rate having both tanks but it was supposed to be the best of the best who got them. Through shenanigans and manipulation by clan leaders most got theirs. Well played wargaming, they couldn't make a contest to save their ass.

 

[datalink7]

How is the 112? Its a Chinese premium tank isnt it? Curious how good it is compared to other T8 tanks. Also against non premium counterparts.

At Tier VIII, for premiums, I have the 112, the JT 8.8, and the T34.

The 112 has excellent armor. It has basically the exact same armor as the 113, the Tier X Chinese Heavy, except that it has only 80mm instead of 100mm for the lower plate, and the turret it slightly bigger with the cupolas slightly bigger. But unless they hit the cupolas, they aren't penetrating most likely, even higher tiers (240mm of sloped armor on the turret). This means if you keep moving and make the cupolas hard to hit, you most likely won't be penned in the turret.

Upper plate is 120mm and well sloped. At tier VIII, this is great armor.

Lower plate is garbage, so it needs to be hidden. So either hull down, or up close brawling. I feel this tank was mostly made for up close brawling due to its gun.

The gun isn't that great. Same gun as the IS6, but with far worse gun characteristics. A lot longer reload, worse aiming circle spread, and worse gun elevation. 175 pen is kinda low, though the alpha isn't bad at 390. But with the poor aiming and penetration, it's not a good sniping tank, which is why I feel (coupled with its great armor) it makes a good brawler where you don't need to have great aim because you are so close.

Now, if you fire gold, it has HEAT. The IS6 has APCR with 217 pen. Instead of APCR, the 112 has HEAT with 250 PEN. This is actually nice, as it means it can be dangerous to even Tier X heavies like the E100, penning its turret about 50 percent of the time from the front (whereas the IS6 on prem rounds has almost no chance to penetrate from the front).

Also, due to the vast difference from 175 pen to 250 pen, you'll find a lot of 112 drivers load HEAT all the time if they can afford it.

Overall, I'd say that the 112 is a capable brawling tank, but it isn't special enough to warrant buying unless you want to go down the Chinese Heavy line. I did, and I'm glad I got the 112 because the WZ-111 1-4 is one of my favorite tanks in the game and it was nice to throw a heavy crew in there with 1 skill already trained when I got it.

However, if you aren't interested in the Chinese Heavy line, the IS6 is probably a better bet if you want a premium heavy.

The T34 has a monster gun and great turret armor with good gun depression, but is super frustrating to drive. It is slow, and has paper hull armor. So if you get caught out of a hull down position (which happens a lot due to its slowness) you are toast. But it can have monster games because it has a Tier X gun, and so makes a lot of money. And if you do make it to a hull down position, the turret armor is pretty reliable (forcing most to try for the cupola).

The JT 8.8 is a fun tank. It has the JT's armor (so Tier IX armor. I find it pretty reliable at Tier VIII), and the Tiger I's gun (so Tier VII gun). However, the gun has a super charger attached to it so it has an insane RoF. Slow to get into place, but I've had great games with it just due to the amount of damage output.

 

[stag3]

yea i ended up selling the T23e3 as i'll never play it, probably going to sell the dicker max as well that i got for that month long mission a little bit ago.

i picked up the m26 pershing and ferdinand, so those are my 2 new tier 8's to grind.
both end tanks aren't used in cw but i figure the jagzilla is a fun pub tank
and after i get the m48 patton i'll have all the tier X meds

 

[datalink7]

yea i ended up selling the T23e3 as i'll never play it, probably going to sell the dicker max as well that i got for that month long mission a little bit ago.

i picked up the m26 pershing and ferdinand, so those are my 2 new tier 8's to grind.
both end tanks aren't used in cw but i figure the jagzilla is a fun pub tank
and after i get the m48 patton i'll have all the tier X meds

Ferdi I found to be a decent pub tank. It has a great gun, and it's armor is good for bouncing lower tiers (can't be relied upon at all for higher tiers).

JagTiger I think is an excellent tank, used properly. It is actually one of my higher winning percentage tanks (over 60 percent).

JP E100, like I have said before, isn't what I would term a great tank. However, it IS fun, and does decent for me in pub matches. Particularly when you get it in a position that hides the lower plate.

I actually kept all three, though I play the Ferdi less and less lately. Still play JT a lot and the occasional JP E100.

 

[stag3]

i always wanted a jagdtiger, should have gotten it when it could bounce shit tho hahaha
t29's were penning my ferdi nonstop to the left or right of the gun with stock ap ugh.

 

[datalink7]

i always wanted a jagdtiger, should have gotten it when it could bounce shit tho hahaha
t29's were penning my ferdi nonstop to the left or right of the gun with stock ap ugh.

Yeah Ferdi isn't super great with the armor because it is flat. It takes a certain amount of timing to make it work.

Basically, try the wiggle waggle. You want to time it so you've got the front at somewhat of an angle when the shot comes in. Then all of a sudden 200mm of armor angled is decent. It's so flat though that it is hard to get it right.

Still think the gun is great though.

And the JT has an amazing gun, and the armor can still work in the right situations. Obviously with Premium rounds everywhere it isn't great, but you can generally count on at least several bounces a game, which is like having free extra hp.

 

[gammaray]

on track event for the chinese heavy starts monday. from sept 15 to sept 29. 30% off tier 8, 9 and 10, +15% credits income.

 

[datalink7]

on track event for the chinese heavy starts monday. from sept 15 to sept 29. 30% off tier 8, 9 and 10, +15% credits income.

That's cool. I enjoy playing my WZ-111 1-4, so a credit increase will be nice. And cheaper 113 when I get to it. Though hopefully it doesn't mean a ton more Chinese heavies. I kind of like being somewhat rare.

 

[GeorgePatton]

everybody hacks in this game its terrible.

 

[chimaxi83]

everybody hacks in this game its terrible.

I'm assuming you're a terrible, 44% conductor of a lemming train?

 

[datalink7]

I'm assuming you're a terrible, 44% conductor of a lemming train?

lol, most likely

 

[gammaray]

everybody hacks in this game its terrible.

I'm assuming you're a terrible, 44% conductor of a lemming train?

or bad attempt at trolling...

 

[gammaray]

concerning TDs, turret less tds are pretty hard to play, we have to rely more on camo and good team mates to protect our sides, as they aren't as versatile as their turreted siblings. Also, every time an enemy move out of our zoomed in reticle, we have to move the whole td, losing camo value.

 

[Skott]

concerning TDs, turret less tds are pretty hard to play, we have to rely more on camo and good team mates to protect our sides, as they aren't as versatile as their turreted siblings. Also, every time an enemy move out of our zoomed in reticle, we have to move the whole td, losing camo value.

The only fixed turret TD I like is the E-25. Its a fun tank to play. All my other TDs I like have turrets. Like you say you have to move the entire tank with most TDs. Breaks camo and gets you spotted fast. I hate that. TDs with turrets don't have this problem. Most however dont have the armor that the fixed turret TDs have. Give me a TD with a turret any day of the week. The E25 is the exception though. It moves fast. Turns fast. Gun alpha isnt large but accuracy is excellent and the 75mm shoots fast. Its small too which makes it harder to spot and if you get on the back side of a large tank its hard to hit because of its low height.