Mobil 1 (updated 6/8)

[OS]

This week's flier;

$4 a quart with coupon in this weekend's pepboy AND kragen ads. All weights




various places to buy mobil 1;

Target
various weights, no 0w-20
3.84 a quart, regular price, YMMV some stores do not carry it or the price is not this low. This is from the Montclair, CA store.

Walmart
various weights
~19 for 5 quart jug, regular price, no 0w-20 for 5 quart jug.

Costco
various weights, no 0w-20
~24 for 6 quart case, regular price.

 

[flyers1]

This is for synthetic right? Good to know if it is because I use 0w-20 synthetic in my Mazda 6....

 

[The Sauce]

NICE! Thanks man. That Pepboy's 0w-20 and free Pure One will come in real handy-like.

 

[tracerbullet]

0-20? What uses that? I'm familiar with 10-30, 5-30, 0-30, even 0-40. I know there's some other odd ones for old tractors, or snowmobiles and such, just wondering what 0-20 is for?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: tracerbullet
0-20? What uses that? I'm familiar with 10-30, 5-30, 0-30, even 0-40. I know there's some other odd ones for old tractors, or snowmobiles and such, just wondering what 0-20 is for?

New hondas and fords spec 5w-20, so 0w-20 is the closest synthetic oil to that grade. It's still kind of a new grade so availability is still worse than the other weights.

Supposedly you can use 5w-30 in those applications without an issue, but many people would rather just follow the manufacturer spec.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: flyers1
This is for synthetic right? Good to know if it is because I use 0w-20 synthetic in my Mazda 6....

Mobil 1 is only synthetic.

 

[rsolomon]

Originally posted by: OS
various places to buy mobil 1;

Walmart
various weights
~19 for 5 quart jug, regular price, no 0w-20 for 5 quart jug.

Note that WallyWorld prices vary by STORE, not just city! The two Colo Spgs North locations carry 0-40 for $3.8x/qt, while the others want $4.4x for the same oil.

Richard

 

[MiataPaul]

Originally posted by: tracerbullet
0-20? What uses that? I'm familiar with 10-30, 5-30, 0-30, even 0-40. I know there's some other odd ones for old tractors, or snowmobiles and such, just wondering what 0-20 is for?

It is for some of the newer cars. It is so they get better fuel economy. Not as good for the motors, but you will get better fuel milage.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Anyone had a chance to check a wa state store for this deal?

I will have to check it out.

Also....anything on sale in the 15w50 range?

Oz

 

[bman46]

certainly an original deal

 

[mikeford]

Just a quick note on what WT means on oil. Its a measure of how thick/thin the oil flows at two temperature points RELATIVE to some standard blend of conventional oil. First is a low temperature, and second a high, so 0 -20 wt means it flows the same as a old style 0 wt oil at low temps, and a old style 20 wt at high temps. I forget exactly, but I think a couple of the rating letters show the fuel efficiency (drag etc. from the oil).

Engine wear is really a different issue, high temperature film strength, ie how much pressure can the oil between two pieces of metal take before the film breaks and the metal touches.

 

[The Sauce]

A lot of misinformation being spewed in this thread. There is absolutely no evidence that lighter weight synthetic oils result in increased engine wear. On the contrary, many UOA (oil analysis) show equivalent or decreased engine wear with 0-5W20's compared with heavier weight oils. You won't find better objective evidence on the subject than that.

 

[erick]

Mobil1
Product Description
Mobil 1 0W-20, Power and Performance Formula, is the most advanced performance synthetic engine oil designed to provide the ultimate level of power, and protection to keep engines running smoothly and cleanly. Mobil 1 0W-20 exceeds the requirements of the latest gasoline and diesel powered automobile engines. Mobil 1 0W-20 is the ideal product for high revolution and output four and six cylinder cars where a 0W-20 or 5W-20 viscosity lubricant is recommended.

Features & Benefits
Mobil 1 0W-20 is made with a patented proprietary test blend of ultra performance synthetic basestocks fortified with the most advanced additive system available today. Mobil 1 with Supersyn Antiwear Technology provides unsurpassed levels of performance, cleaning power and engine protection to enable a superior driving performance. Mobil 1 0W-20 is a leading edge viscosity grade uniquely designed to enhance the power output of vehicles equipped with high revolution engines, while providing a protection system for the most extreme driving conditions.

Mobil 1 with SuperSyn 0W20 is engineered specifically for Ford, Honda and any other vehicle where a 0W-20 or 5W-20 engine oil is recommended. Mobil 1 with SuperSyn 0W-20 exceeds API SL/CF, ILSAC GF-3, and the performance requirements Ford WSS-M2C-153H specification. This full synthetic formulation provides both exceptional engine protection while providing more efficient operation as indicated by improved fuel economy or greater power when compared to more viscous products

 

[Braxus]

Think all hybrid cars use 0W-20 weight oil. I know my Honda Insight and Civic Hybrid does. Tried 5W oil once and it does make an impact on milage.

 

[Souka]

If a car specs 0-20w, and you use 5-20w, I'm surprised you'd see much of a difference in economy....why?

Oil acts like a 5w oil when cold, but after about 80f (guesstimate from old organic-chem class memory) it thickens into a 20w oil. Has something to do with molecules uncoiling...and hence thickening. Since liquids decrease in viscosity as they heat up (get thinner), the result is a fairly consisent viscosity over a wider range of temperature.

So back to my point.....0w vs 5w during a few minute warm-up? unless you just drive a few miles at a time, I find it unlikely to make a difference. Example....at operating temp, a 0-40w oil will have SAME VISCOSITY as a 40w oil.


Far as running 0-20w vs 5-20w to get better mileage, but bad on engines..... is saving a few...and I mean few...$$ per year worth losing potientally thousands of miles on your engine due to wear. And don't forget, as it wears, mileage will likely drop.


My $.02 of ramblings.....

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: Souka
If a car specs 0-20w, and you use 5-20w, I'm surprised you'd see much of a difference in economy....why?

Oil acts like a 5w oil when cold, but after about 80f (guesstimate from old organic-chem class memory) it thickens into a 20w oil. Has something to do with molecules uncoiling...and hence thickening. Since liquids decrease in viscosity as they heat up (get thinner), the result is a fairly consisent viscosity over a wider range of temperature.

So back to my point.....0w vs 5w during a few minute warm-up? unless you just drive a few miles at a time, I find it unlikely to make a difference. Example....at operating temp, a 0-40w oil will have SAME VISCOSITY as a 40w oil.


Far as running 0-20w vs 5-20w to get better mileage, but bad on engines..... is saving a few...and I mean few...$$ per year worth losing potientally thousands of miles on your engine due to wear. And don't forget, as it wears, mileage will likely drop.


My $.02 of ramblings.....

Again...no evidence out there whatsoever that a 0-weight causes any more engine wear than a 5 or 10 weight oil. Misinformation propagated yet again.

 

[thebestMAX]

2 Targets here in S. Floriduh only have it for $4.54 Qt .

2 Wally Worlds I checked here never seem to have the 5 Qt jug and still the high price per Qt.

Need to change oil soon so Ill check it our again anyway. Thanks.

Use what your manual says. 5w-30 all year anyplace in the USA for me.

 

[tallman45]

Originally posted by: Souka
If a car specs 0-20w, and you use 5-20w, I'm surprised you'd see much of a difference in economy....why?

Oil acts like a 5w oil when cold, but after about 80f (guesstimate from old organic-chem class memory) it thickens into a 20w oil. Has something to do with molecules uncoiling...and hence thickening. Since liquids decrease in viscosity as they heat up (get thinner), the result is a fairly consisent viscosity over a wider range of temperature.

So back to my point.....0w vs 5w during a few minute warm-up? unless you just drive a few miles at a time, I find it unlikely to make a difference. Example....at operating temp, a 0-40w oil will have SAME VISCOSITY as a 40w oil.


Far as running 0-20w vs 5-20w to get better mileage, but bad on engines..... is saving a few...and I mean few...$$ per year worth losing potientally thousands of miles on your engine due to wear. And don't forget, as it wears, mileage will likely drop.


My $.02 of ramblings.....

Are you sure that it thickens when it heats up. Anything I have read and seen points to oil thickening as it gets colder, and thinner when it gets hotter.

0 weight oil was developed originally for cold weather climates.

The 0w-20 and 5w-20 weights are being used primarily to get fleet mpg to fall within government guidelines.

On the MPG front a new engine gets the worst MPG, the components are tight and there is a lot more friction. An older engine gets better mpg than a newer engine.

Use of sythetics even thin weights will not result in more wear and tear.

 

[ElectricLegs]

For the best MPG increase... Change the rear end (hypiod) oil to Mobil1 synthetic. It's actually the only synthetic oil change that can pay for itself through a mpg increase over it's life.

 

[mikeford]

Anybody have any info on Mobil 1 automatic transmission fluid?

 

[Souka]

Are you sure that it thickens when it heats up. Anything I have read and seen points to oil thickening as it gets colder, and thinner when it gets hotter.

Pretty much all fluids will thicken as they get colder, and thin as they get hotter......but we're talking about MULTI-WEIGHT oils.

Per my original comments "5-2w oil acts like a 5w oil when cold, but after about 80f (guesstimate from old organic-chem class memory) it thickens into a 20w oil."

The idea is, when the engine is cold and the oil is thicker, act like a lighter oil. As the engine warms up, and the oil thins, the molecules open up making the oil a higher viscosity.

Now will a 5w-20w oil be "thinner" or "thicker" when comparing 40f vs 140f? I can't say. But will a 20w oil be "thicker" than a 5w oil at 140F? Most definitley yes.




Anyways.... who cares. Change your oil and filter often....you'll be fine.

 

[SharkyTM]

any deals on Mobil-1 filters? They rock.

 

[Yo2]

$4 or 5 for a quart - this is not hot, when normal oils can be had for under $1 per quart. Factor in changing it every 3000miles (which is BS too) , over a normal liftime of a car(b4 it becomes too tedious) say 100k miles you would spend 32x$4X5quarts = $640 vs under $160 - what am I missing?

 

[mgravy]

$4 or 5 for a quart - this is not hot, when normal oils can be had for under $1 per quart. Factor in changing it every 3000miles (which is BS too) , over a normal liftime of a car(b4 it becomes too tedious) say 100k miles you would spend 32x$4X5quarts = $640 vs under $160 - what am I missing?

With good synthetic like Mobil 1, it is accepted to change your oil every 5-7000 miles. I know mechanics who push 10,000 miles on Mobil and don't think twice. Personally, I go 6000. -So you have fewer oil changes, fewer oil filters, and much less dumping. Most research that you will come across regarding synthetic vs. dino oil is largely in favor of synthetic.

 

[sixt7gt350]

My Target used to carry all grades of Mobil1 for well under $4.
When they realized they had the best deal in town, they raised the price!

The 0W-20 is highly recommended to prevent wear at startup.
For anyone with a Ford 5.4 V8 and the annoying piston slap when cold, using the 0W-20 will cure it 'most every time. (It did for my wife's Expedition.)

"Zero viscosity" (not really, but the lower the better) when cold allows the oil to flow quickly at startup. Most engine wear occurs at startup, since the oil drains back to the pan while the vehicle is off. You want to really minimize wear? Install an electric pump that pre-pressurizes the oil system before starting the engine.

Changing your oil every 3000 miles is a marketing gimmick. Read your maintenance guide. Very few people drive their vehicles in a manner that requires the "harsh condition" schedule. Synthetic oil provides a "margin of comfort" for extended change periods, but normal oil should do fine for most vehicles.