Modded GTO2 and RMA.

[JohnAn2112]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
God I wuv evga for this reason.

No OP, they won't be able to tell, but is your conscience going to be okay?

His conscience is obviously fine since he's arguing his side.

 

[Sunrise089]

Originally posted by: shinzwei

Most honest folks have a rule "you break it, you buy it" There is a risk an enthusiast takes when modding and overclocking, and the risk is the cost of the product. An honest modder accepts the risk and deals with the consequences of their actions, even if its somewhat painful.

This is why those people stay home and never go out, becuase they have no life! sometimes if they break something its mostly mitakes and would you pay 500$ for something you broke accidently? like a small 4 inch crytal ball? would you? so if your walking in a mall...and accidently bumped into a table and broke a crytal ball...and noone saw, your telling me your gonna go up to a clerk and say..im sorry i broke this and i wanna pay for it? or would you just walk away like nothing happened.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME!

It would be like if you went to said mall, saw said Crystal Ball, and the clerk said "If you can throw it to the ceiling and catch it, I will give it to you for half-price, but if you drop it, you have to pay full price." Now you, thinking you can easily catch a little crystal ball, try it, and even though it was unlikely, you drop it. Would it really be ethical to claim the ball just fell off the table when that isn't what happened. OP fully knew the risk, and it was a good risk, but it didn't work out. Why should the manufacturer have to pay for our own decision to push the limits past the point the manufacturer says is acceptable?

 

[SketchMaster]

Originally posted by: Sunrise089

Originally posted by: shinzwei

Most honest folks have a rule "you break it, you buy it" There is a risk an enthusiast takes when modding and overclocking, and the risk is the cost of the product. An honest modder accepts the risk and deals with the consequences of their actions, even if its somewhat painful.

This is why those people stay home and never go out, becuase they have no life! sometimes if they break something its mostly mitakes and would you pay 500$ for something you broke accidently? like a small 4 inch crytal ball? would you? so if your walking in a mall...and accidently bumped into a table and broke a crytal ball...and noone saw, your telling me your gonna go up to a clerk and say..im sorry i broke this and i wanna pay for it? or would you just walk away like nothing happened.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME!

It would be like if you went to said mall, saw said Crystal Ball, and the clerk said "If you can throw it to the ceiling and catch it, I will give it to you for half-price, but if you drop it, you have to pay full price." Now you, thinking you can easily catch a little crystal ball, try it, and even though it was unlikely, you drop it. Would it really be ethical to claim the ball just fell off the table when that isn't what happened. OP fully knew the risk, and it was a good risk, but it didn't work out. Why should the manufacturer have to pay for our own decision to push the limits past the point the manufacturer says is acceptable?

What?

 

[Munky]

Well, how exactly did you fry the card? Did you monitor the temps, mess with the cooler, or just OC it? Usually a gpu or a cpu will start giving artifacts or errors or freezes when you're pushing it too hard, it's not just gonna die all of a sudden unless either it already had a defect and OC'ing it just made the defect more significant, or you did something stupid like disconnect the fan. So it's not necesarily the user's fault that it fried, because how many threads have I seen where a card fries even without OC'ing? It happens...

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: shinzwei

This is why those people stay home and never go out, becuase they have no life! sometimes if they break something its mostly mitakes and would you pay 500$ for something you broke accidently? like a small 4 inch crytal ball? would you? so if your walking in a mall...and accidently bumped into a table and broke a crytal ball...and noone saw, your telling me your gonna go up to a clerk and say..im sorry i broke this and i wanna pay for it? or would you just walk away like nothing happened.

Actually I would go find a clerk a tell him. Do you think it would be ethical or fair for the store to assume the responsibility of your mistake? If I owned a store I'd be pretty horked off if some person was being careless came along and broke an item I had for sale, especially one that cost $500. Take some responsability in life. You break it you fix it.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: shinzwei

Most honest folks have a rule "you break it, you buy it" There is a risk an enthusiast takes when modding and overclocking, and the risk is the cost of the product. An honest modder accepts the risk and deals with the consequences of their actions, even if its somewhat painful.

This is why those people stay home and never go out, becuase they have no life! sometimes if they break something its mostly mitakes and would you pay 500$ for something you broke accidently? like a small 4 inch crytal ball? would you? so if your walking in a mall...and accidently bumped into a table and broke a crytal ball...and noone saw, your telling me your gonna go up to a clerk and say..im sorry i broke this and i wanna pay for it? or would you just walk away like nothing happened.

Being honest = "no life" LOL, thats quite a reach don't ya think? You sound like a young man, trust me, honesty is the best policy in the long run, and you don't have to give up your life to do the right thing. Actually, I'd likely walk up and talk to the clerk, its like giving back money when you get back too much change. My experience is that the store in the mall won't make me pay if its truely a mistake and I'm upfront and honest.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Leper Messiah
God I wuv evga for this reason.

No OP, they won't be able to tell, but is your conscience going to be okay?

evga is awesome. i practically pleaded with them not to allow me an rma on my one and only (vga) screw up but no dice

 

[Thorny]

Originally posted by: Elfear

Originally posted by: Oderus
You guys are harsh.

There is nothing morally wrong with overclocking a card. If you break the card due to overclocking and want to see if you can replace it, that's ok by me too... however... if they were to ask you if you overclocked and you said no, then you would be in the wrong. If they have a don't ask don't tell policy like Futureshop's 14 day return policy, then I don't see a problem.

That would be a lie of omission. Come on, do you think it's ok as long as they don't flat out ask you? If your future spouse neglected to tell you that she had AIDS because you never asked would you be ok with it? I know that's an extreme example but it's the same concept. You mess up your card and void the warranty, you reap the consequences. Don't foist the burden on the manufacturer when you obviously ran it out of spec.

As far as your first question goes, Yes, it is ok if you don't directly decieve the manufacture about oc'ing the card. It is the manufactures right/responsibility to enforce their warranty however they see fit. I'm sure there are many ways they could check every card to see if it was ran in accordance with their return policy, but every day they exchange oc'd cards without a fuss, even thought they have full right to deny the rma. Fact is, if they cared, they would ask or check the card themselves, not rely on the RMA Forum Police to discourage people from doing this. Sure, if they did ask, I'm not one to advocate lying, and would be honest. Reality is that the many manufactures don't even care enough to ask if the card is eligible for RMA before accepting it.

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: shinzwei
anandtech = HELP so help the guy.

sooooooo true. i hate how all these threads (especially in the video forum...) turn into these big flame fests. people need to learn to just answer the simple questions people ask. it isnt your responsibility to make choices for people, just to answer their questions.

also, here is what i read from the agreement from XFX.

"Should the Product be damaged as the result of overclocking, tampering, alteration, misuse, abuse, power supply, power application, or repair by other than XFX the warranty is VOID."

how can you tell if it was damaged as a result of one of these things, and not just a defect? thats really weird.

 

[SketchMaster]

Originally posted by: munky
Well, how exactly did you fry the card? Did you monitor the temps, mess with the cooler, or just OC it? Usually a gpu or a cpu will start giving artifacts or errors or freezes when you're pushing it too hard, it's not just gonna die all of a sudden unless either it already had a defect and OC'ing it just made the defect more significant, or you did something stupid like disconnect the fan. So it's not necesarily the user's fault that it fried, because how many threads have I seen where a card fries even without OC'ing? It happens...

Old thread on card.

I had a ATI silencer 5 and I always kept an eye on the temps. I'm pretty sure it was getting pushed too hard since every now and then I would get funky clipping in Battlefield 2. But I marked them off as buggy EA code (not the first EA game that when ape on me).

Never got it in HL2 or CS:S so I never thought to check. In fact, I would have never known the card was going bad if I hadn't been messing around with ATI tool.

 

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: theman

sooooooo true. i hate how all these threads (especially in the video forum...) turn into these big flame fests. people need to learn to just answer the simple questions people ask. it isnt your responsibility to make choices for people, just to answer their questions.

also, here is what i read from the agreement from XFX.

"Should the Product be damaged as the result of overclocking, tampering, alteration, misuse, abuse, power supply, power application, or repair by other than XFX the warranty is VOID."

how can you tell if it was damaged as a result of one of these things, and not just a defect? thats really weird.

Sorry, but that has got to be the funniest thing I have read in awhile. It's my responsibility to answer people's questions but not to question what they will do with that information even if it seems highly unethical? Give me a break. If someone asked you how they could murder someone else and get away with it, would you just start listing methods? "Well, you could dump them off a bridge, or you could put them in a wood chipper when no one's looking..." I know that's an extreme example but it's the same rationale. It's my responsibility to be an ethical human being and to act accordingly in my relationships with others. I wouldn't be acting very ethically if I helped someone defraud another person or corporation. It doesn't make it any more ethical by pretending not to know what that person was up to. Why should I help a guy who is helping to drive up costs for everyone?

 

[theMan]

i wouldnt talk about murdering people on this forum, because it is not a murder forum. it is a computer forum, where i post about computers. if you want to go to an ethics forum, go right ahead and post that kind of thing there.

oh yeah, and like a few people doing this kind of thing is really driving up costs. besides, how can you even tell that the mod is the reason the card broke? rma is probably an incredibly small amount compared to the amount of cards they sell. even if 1 company is losing money, and drive up costs, they still have to compete with all the other companies.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shinzwei
lol. one day you **honest** people, this will happen to you. Its ok like if it happens to you once and you RMA work and you learn your lesson and never void your warrenty again but dang guys, this is a community help one and another its not hard. $H!T happens ya know? like if he spend 250 on the gto2 modded it into a x850xtpe and boom burns thats 250 bucks. People in anandtech are always try to get more out of there money. and i understand that, who wants to buy a x850xt when u can get a gto-->x850xt and greater.

There's nothig wrong with trying to get most out of your money.. I void warranty for everything I own - cars, trucks, boats (use SAE 30 in my two stoke too cheap to buy two-cycle oil) motherboards, vcards processors etc.. I do it knowing in the long run I come out ahead anyway plus i enjoy it... if it aint modded it aint cool IMO.. But at the same time I never RMA the stuff cause when I wake up in the moring I like looking in mirror at a man who does right things, who is honerable and treats others as I want to be treated.

If you want to look at a dude who always takes short cuts, always trys to find easy way out, always looking for a scam.. well that's who you will become.... It's really unaviodable. RMA here, lying there - Little peices destroy your charachter overtime until one day you wake up and see a loser just like everyone around you will see.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Yes, I know. I want to RMA something I broke. It's wrong, stealing, cheap and I'm going to hell for it.

Now with that out of the way.

I have a GTO2 that I fryed and now I need to get it fixed. I was able to flash it back to stock but will they see that it was messed with? It's well known for being a modder's card so I would think they would check or something.

Anyone know for sure?

The answer is yes they will be able to tell but I'm telling you how because then i'd give you to much info.

 

[Powermoloch]

I like overclocking my 6600, but not my x850xtagp

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: SketchMaster
Yes, I know. I want to RMA something I broke. It's wrong, stealing, cheap and I'm going to hell for it.

Now with that out of the way.

I have a GTO2 that I fryed and now I need to get it fixed. I was able to flash it back to stock but will they see that it was messed with? It's well known for being a modder's card so I would think they would check or something.

Anyone know for sure?

for sure? . . . here? No

since your conscience allows it, try it and tell us . . .
:roll:
_____________

Originally posted by: Zebo

If you want to look at a dude who always takes short cuts, always trys to find easy way out, always looking for a scam.. well that's who you will become.... It's really unaviodable. RMA here, lying there - Little peices destroy your charachter overtime until one day you wake up and see a loser just like everyone around you will see.

You might wake up CEO of a giant company . . .
:Q

or President of the USA
:shocked:



:roll:

it's YOUR conscience . . . no one elses

 

[Zebo]

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

My question is why the OP would even state clearly that he was the one that fried the card? That just sort of sounds like flamebait . . .

I agree that they can tell if it's been flashed . . . but they probably won't look into it that much . . .

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: shinzwei

Most honest folks have a rule "you break it, you buy it" There is a risk an enthusiast takes when modding and overclocking, and the risk is the cost of the product. An honest modder accepts the risk and deals with the consequences of their actions, even if its somewhat painful.

This is why those people stay home and never go out, becuase they have no life! sometimes if they break something its mostly mitakes and would you pay 500$ for something you broke accidently? like a small 4 inch crytal ball? would you? so if your walking in a mall...and accidently bumped into a table and broke a crytal ball...and noone saw, your telling me your gonna go up to a clerk and say..im sorry i broke this and i wanna pay for it? or would you just walk away like nothing happened.

Very poor analogy. If I broke something accidentally in a store, like a glass ball in your example, I would tell the clerk if only to spare someone else from stepping in broken glass.

Accidental breakage versus intentional breakage is a huge difference.

Overclockers take that risk of intentionally breaking their stuff. Pretending the fan went out when you had a videocard clocked at twice it's rated speed is not accidental.

Furthers my belief that videocard overclocking kids tend to be really uncool.