Model S Plaid sets an official full lap time of 7:35.579 at Nürburgring

[bigi]

Stock from the factory. Still speed capped + crappy tires for this kind of gig.

 

[SKORPI0]

Time to beat on a 20,832 m lap

6:38.835

Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2)

List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[thecoolnessrune]

It costs more than any of the competition around it at those times, but definitely the car I'd want to be in most of the time.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

It costs more than any of the competition around it at those times, but definitely the car I'd want to be in most of the time.

Other than the Camaro what on this list cost more enough to actually count? My ignorance is asking for your enlightenment.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

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Other than the Camaro what on this list cost more enough to actually count? My ignorance is asking for your enlightenment.

I'm not sure what you're asking? I'm saying the Model S costs more than anything around it with those times. The RS3 for instance that beat it by a hair is about half the cost of a Model S Plaid. A BMW M5 competition costs less. A Nissan GT-R costs less.

The Plaid is a $130K car, and cost a bit more than that before it released. This car certainly isn't winning on "value proposition". But it's certainly the car in that price bracket that I'd want to be driving.

 

[repoman0]

Maybe they'll eventually beat the 7:2x set by a 20 year old beater E46 M3 CSL back in like 2007. Pretty sad that it barely matched an F90 M5 as well after all the hype .. I've driven that thing on a track and it's a fat pig that hates braking and cornering, which makes the lap time difference just as much as quick acceleration.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Actually I had my Model S variants backwards. The Plaid is $125K, the BMW M5 Competition before dealer markups is $110K. The Nissan is $113K and the Audi RS3 is definitely competing at sub-$60K. But winning a value proposition isn't something I'm seeing folks spending this kind of money are looking for. I doubt anyone already looking to spend +$110K on an M5 Competition and also considering a Tesla is caring about $15K. I would think they would be more focused on acceleration, handling, build quality, etc. And if someone was looking at the RS3 then those buyers were probably not capable of even looking at $100K cars to begin with. I'm not sure anyone seriously looking at the lap times for a car of consideration is actually looking closely at the costs until you start to get over, say, $250K and pretty much most of the top leaders are well over twice that figure.

 

[WelshBloke]

Are EVs anyone's choice of lap cars?

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I thought the same thing. I always thought EVs were better are straight-line acceleration than anything else.

 

[Heartbreaker]

and the Audi RS3 is definitely competing at sub-$60K.

The RS3 is definitely fast for the money. But those times aren't comparable. Tesla's ~7:35 time is on the current full length of the modern track, Where the Audi gets a ~7:40 time, and that's the number Audi reports. Since these are both modern tests, this is the number they should report:

Lap record on the Nordschleife: Audi RS 3 fastest in the compact class

With a time of 7:40.748 minutes, the new Audi RS 3 Seda (Audi RS 3 Sedan: Combined fuel consumption in l/100 km: 8.7 – 8.2 (27.0 – 28.7 US mpg);Combined CO2 emissions in g/km: 198 – 188 (318.7 – 302.6 g/mi)) is the fastest compact model on the Nürburgring Nordschleife. In June, Audi Sport racing...

www.audi-mediacenter.com

You can also report a historical track length number to compare to when the track was a bit shorter. That is where the 7:35 number comes from for the Audi RS3, and on the historical Track Length, the Tesla gets ~7:31 timing.

It looks like whoever was entering the numbers chose to put the Tesla full length number in the table, and the Audi shorter length. Table is really a mess. Plenty of cars should have the modern full length track number, but I suspect people entering want to make cars look better by using the historical track length numbers.

This is where the Plaid lands compared cars reporting the same distance. Which puts it in more Ratified company. If you want to compare where it falls on the other table you should use the 7:30.91 timing for the Plaid:

 

[zinfamous]

I thought the same thing. I always thought EVs were better are straight-line acceleration than anything else.

yes, for now, anyway. I don't think it makes much sense for manufacturers to focus on all the dynamic performance with their EVs right now. They should be focusing on range and build quality. And none of this range is focused towards lap times, right? How many timed laps can you run on a full charge of a Tesla anyway? 2 or 3?

They're probably a long way off from putting together that kind of needed efficiency.

 

[bigi]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.


More butthurt replies are welcome. LOL.

 

[repoman0]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.


More butthurt replies are welcome. LOL.

Why would anyone here possibly be butthurt that the fastest Tesla is slow around a random European road course that they’ll never drive, unless they bought one for racing for some inexplicable reason and will now lose against faster cars? Did you think posting some average Nurburgring time was some kind of “gotcha“? Like I said, cars that cost half this much (including four seater family cars) have been posting better times than this for well over a decade.

 

[RichieZ]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.


More butthurt replies are welcome. LOL.

Lol I just ordered a Model Y and own and track the 991.1 C2S shown in the wiki link below your post that is slower than the MSP. These are not cars I would cross shop, its a nice technical achievement though.

 

[ultimatebob]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.


More butthurt replies are welcome. LOL.

A $130,000 "Family Sedan"... I'd like to be part of that family

 

[zinfamous]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.


More butthurt replies are welcome. LOL.

what are you talking about, lol? that Tesla time shows either: it's really terrible at track work because Plaid is way way quicker than those other cars, or just look at how fricking fast it is to still get close to those other actual track cars, despite it's inability to do any real track work.

I don't know why you're butthurt about reality.

 

[zinfamous]

A $130,000 "Family Sedan"... I'd like to be part of that family

and yeah, this too. what kind of moron would pay that scratch for that car when there are just way better options at that price.

 

[Kaido]

Bunch of butthurt replies. Some great ones.

I know it is painful to watch 4 door family sedan destroying 100 years of super cars "achievements"

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.

I actually appreciate this as an evolution: 100 years of improvements to the point where you can buy a turn-key supercar & take your family and friends for a ride in it! $130k for zero to 60 in 1.99 seconds is insane to the point where people are arguing about it instead of going "wow" lol.

 

[Kaido]

A $130,000 "Family Sedan"... I'd like to be part of that family

Hmm, a mortgage or a $2,100/mo car payment? lol

 

[Kaido]

For more fun please watch the: TeslaPlaidChannel dude.

While I think the yoke is a little nuts, I gotta say that is one sharp-looking interior! I used to mess around with Carputers back in the day - touchscreens, gesture-controlled ring mice, Mini-ITX motherboards, Bluetooth, etc. & it's pretty awesome to see everything just magically integrated into modern cars!

 

[KentState]

While I think the yoke is a little nuts, I gotta say that is one sharp-looking interior! I used to mess around with Carputers back in the day - touchscreens, gesture-controlled ring mice, Mini-ITX motherboards, Bluetooth, etc. & it's pretty awesome to see everything just magically integrated into modern cars!

I have mixed feelings on Tesla's approach. Yes, it's awesome to have PS5 level hardware, but at some point it will become outdated. Tesla will may offer an upgrade, but then you are paying thousands for console level hardware. Also creates a lot of e-waste for something that has limited use. Meaning, we need FSD level 5 to be a reality, the driver wanting to game or actual passengers in the car. All things that will eventually happen, I just have doubts it will be in the near future. It's an exercise in the possible and I hope to be proven wrong.

 

[fralexandr]

I actually appreciate this as an evolution: 100 years of improvements to the point where you can buy a turn-key supercar & take your family and friends for a ride in it! $130k for zero to 60 in 1.99 seconds is insane to the point where people are arguing about it instead of going "wow" lol.

1.99 sec ~5-60 time. 0-60 is ~2.3 it's not truly 0-60 if you aren't timing from 0, ie rollout. sadly allowing for rollout is how it's normally done, so the 1.99 is "correct"

 

[Hans Gruber]

It king of reminds me of the Knight 2000 from the early 80's. This is what it looked like with just turbo boost. Later Super Pursuit mode was added.

 

[ultimatebob]

I have mixed feelings on Tesla's approach. Yes, it's awesome to have PS5 level hardware, but at some point it will become outdated. Tesla will may offer an upgrade, but then you are paying thousands for console level hardware. Also creates a lot of e-waste for something that has limited use. Meaning, we need FSD level 5 to be a reality, the driver wanting to game or actual passengers in the car. All things that will eventually happen, I just have doubts it will be in the near future. It's an exercise in the possible and I hope to be proven wrong.

If Tesla does it right, the computer should just be a module that you can pop out of the car and pop in a new one.

That said, I'm not sure how eager Tesla is going to be to make infotainment system upgrades easy. It kinda takes away one of the big reasons to get a new car... if people can just pop in a $5,000 module to get full self driving, they're likely going to do that instead of splurging for the new model. The electric motors in a Tesla will probably last for decades, and the batteries and computers will also likely be the first things that need replacing.

 

[Kaido]

It king of reminds me of the Knight 2000 from the early 80's. This is what it looked like with just turbo boost. Later Super Pursuit mode was added.
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On that tangent, I just ran across this in a parking lot. The front red LED scanner looked AWESOME!