I like how he said the small quantities and heirloom strains would have less disease. I got a hearty LOL outta that one which is why I urge him to grow his own.
Uhhh.. what!? So are we to believe that unless cows are fed a "natural diet" they are "abused"? What is a "natural diet" to you? Any limits on vaccines? What is "treated well" to a cow?
BTW, I've been to "organic" farms where the cows roam free and are drug free, etc, etc... The milk is no different than the milk from the cows from the neighbor's farm. Both were graded the same and from what I could tell, the taste was no different(yes, I happen to love raw milk but haven't drank it in years).
The quality of the food determined by the farm not the actual ingredients produced by the farm? Are you serious?
Wow, some of you people need to get out and live some reality... Yes yes, I know some of you are still in school, just realize that there is much reality out there outside of the academia bubble you love.
Here's what my experience is based on: the amazing 'minimally treated' peaches I've been eating all summer from Hapworth Farms. Or the grass fed milk from Natural by Nature. (The best damn milk I've ever had. Better than most raw milk, in my experience.) Also, the eggs I get are from a farm cooperative. The address of the farm is usually hand-addressed on the egg carton by the farmer. And YES, there is a big difference between farms, even when they are 'pastured hens.'
That has more to do with the care given to raising the food than them being organic.
Unforntunately for your average person that will forever be out of reach due to either the price or distance from cheap sources.
Here's what my experience is based on: the amazing 'minimally treated' peaches I've been eating all summer from Hapworth Farms. Or the grass fed milk from Natural by Nature. (The best damn milk I've ever had. Better than most raw milk, in my experience.) Also, the eggs I get are from a farm cooperative. The address of the farm is usually hand-addressed on the egg carton by the farmer. And YES, there is a big difference between farms, even when they are 'pastured hens.'
There was a chicken I roasted, when I first started getting 'good quality' food. Sure, the chicken was more expensive than your 'standard' 99 cent a pound chicken, but the quality difference was stark: The white meat was as rich as the dark meat. Now, that was unexpected. But so wonderful!
Last night I had tiny, bruised, pears from a local farm. They were ugly. But, they tasted really damn good. Just like the lettuce I had a few weeks ago that was so delicious it tasted like butter. That was a weird experience. I never expected lettuce to taste like butter.
I've gotten so used to eating good eggs, that the last time I had 'standard' non-organic eggs, I couldn't finish them. Compared to the standard I'm used to, they were disgusting.
I'm in the unusual situation of being able to get my groceries from a grocery store that sources as much as it can from local, small farms. This has really changed my perspective on farming and food in general. I admit, I'm a bit spoiled to have the quality of food that I get to enjoy. Maybe that's why I wish my taxes would stop paying for large quantities of corn and maybe, just maybe, start supporting small farms that create good quality food.
Exactly! "Organic" has long been just another marketing term. The real difference comes from the care given to raising the food. The quality of the farm. I guess I find it really sad that our taxes continually subsidize large industrial farms, instead of small farms that produce this type of food. As Spidey pointed out in an earlier post, large farms that produce industrial quanities of food are more profitable. My dream is that our taxes support farmers that care about their food, instead of corporations that are already profitable.
BTW, these big farms are only going to be profitable as long as they have topsoil to destroy:
http://boingboing.net/2011/05/04/visualizing-iowas-to.html
It's mostly because Monsanto is an evil company. They're like Rambus but a million times worse.lol @ those who love to hate GMO and/or Monsanto.
you look like an out of touch eco-nut that know jack shit....
Well said! Lets start trading insults. K?
you have no clue and have likely been indoctrinated to parrot the eco-kook BS.
Thanks for the continued insults. I appreciate it.
Stop with the BS and there won't be any reason to call you out like that. There are better ways to go about this discussion but to claim the BIG farms are "destroying" something and others aren't means you have no clue and have likely been indoctrinated to parrot the eco-kook BS. I know big farmers, I know small farmers - the operations aren't much different other than scale and efficiency.
Unfortunately for you, hellod9 is right.
It is all about efficiency. When you look at it from a larger perspective, what hellod9 is writing, is exactly what the US economy need. I have seen the effects of enlarging scales in agriculture and stock breeding in other countries. It does not work. In time the food does degrade when thinking of quality. And the prices rise again.
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only decades later people starting to understand the link between the food they have been consuming for decades and diseases. I know a lot of psychologists need to make money and invent diseases that do not exist. I also know a lot of auto immune diseases seem to pop up more and more. It is environment related( and this also mean the food you consume). And you will not notice it until your offspring or the offspring of your offspring. Epi-genetics. It is real. The human body is influenced by the trillions of bacteria that live in us and on our skin.
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The best way for the US economy and for the US mentality to change and US citizens to become united again is to let people work on the land themselves. There will be the same amount of food to eat. There will be less to waste away and there will be less to over consume. This will force a different mentality for the people, but in the end, the US will emerge stronger from it if. That is if these policies would be taken. You have to understand, that a lot of people already are receiving support through social pay or food stamps. Let them work for it. As that they not get bored or depressed but feel they are still contributing to society, with as result lowering the amount of misconducts and crime. Small scale local agriculture is exactly what you need. Greenhouse technologies are prevalent to solve local weather issues.
When the mentality is just and united, people can solve any problem. The strength is diversity. Not just biologically. But also when it comes of putting the minds of several people together to come up with solutions. It is nature, it is a hidden means of your god if you choose it to be. Greed will only cause suffering. Altruism and working together is the solution.
If you do not, the US will go down in history exactly the same way as ancient Rome did. Look at the dark ages of Europe what was inevitably the result of the collapse which happened because of corruption, because of greed, because of vanity, because of ignorance and arrogance !
As a side note.
If the US wants to survive, then invest in new technologies that improve overall efficiency and quality of human life. That means turning into an electric nation and stop being an oil nation. If you stick with oil, you will perish. Right now, it is all about consumption and entertainment where investor see money. This must be changed. The US can make it happen only if views are regained similar as Frederick Terman. Let the government work together with investors to invest in new technologies discovered by young students and their groups. Universities is where the money always have been found. Nowhere else.
Monsanto's rootworm breeding program is proceeding exactly as planned.
But anyway... all this hype about "organic" is just that - hype. It's not enough to feed the masses, isn't easily transported long distances, nor is it regulated much. There have been attempts to bring some standards into "organic" but there are many "organic" places that cut just as many corners as people claim the big mass producers do.
Unfortunately for you, hellod9 is right.
It is all about efficiency. When you look at it from a larger perspective, what hellod9 is writing, is exactly what the US economy need. I have seen the effects of enlarging scales in agriculture and stock breeding in other countries. It does not work. In time the food does degrade when thinking of quality. And the prices rise again.
This is the mind of the liberal. Look, this how what they truly believe. It's disgusting. Normally they try to hide it, but in this post it's on full display, the mind of a liberal.
That simply isn't true, the USDA sets a standard for organic foods. Here in Texas this past winter, the extreme cold we had impacted organic and "cage free" farms moreso than farms where animals were pinned up and unable to walk due to overcrowding. The result was a huge shortage of organic milk, cage free eggs, organic eggs (always cage free), and organic yogurts (made from said organic milk). Retailers in Texas were reaching up as far as Kansas for supply, and typically we stay Texas only as a selling point. Because of the shortage the prices spiked on the seller's market and much of the organics were sold at break even, or at a loss, if retailers were even able to get it in.
The market couldn't step up and provide new organic farms to meet demand right away. Part of the USDA certification for organic is a 7 year process to ensure that everything that goes into the farm (feed, animals, etc) are all organic. The rising demand for organic food won't be met with better supply for years, unless it turns out to be just some sort of fad.
Whatever corners are cut in the organic process have to be minimal in order to maintain the strict certification.
This is the mind of the liberal. Look, this how what they truly believe. It's disgusting. Normally they try to hide it, but in this post it's on full display, the mind of a liberal.
It sucks that you have to be wealthy in order to completely avoid GMO foods.
If I went and bought groceries @ whole foods, I'd have to make twice what I make now just to pay for groceries.
Ah yes, the claims of the USDA standards. Have you looked into them? Have you actually looked at what is still allowed to be considered organic? There are many groups working on setting and policing the "organic" industry and getting it all written into law. However the very fact these groups exist is because "organic" doesn't necessarily mean "organic". Unless your state has actually passed some recent laws on "organic" labels then there is no "strict certification". I'm not up on what Texas may have done recently but if they actually do have strict certifications and policing of the "organic" label then kudos to them.
As usual you are only able to spout vile. Come back with alternative solutions that triumph the solutions and explanations i came up with. Then you are becoming useful for once.