Again, I think you're projecting your own objectives on to me. I'm only interested in restricting people's infringements on eachother's rights. I'm not telling anyone that they aren't entitled to feel however they want about being restricted from infringing another person's rights.They don't need to have a base until you begin enforcing them on others.
I don't. You are confusing me with an irrational person, because you assume that I want the same things that you want. That's called projection.But if you want to enforce those internal states on others,
No, I don't. You don't "prove" morals, dummy.you need to prove why yours are right--
Nonsense. Might can make facts, but it cannot force feelings....or else admit that "might is what makes right",
I don't think you know what morality is. I mean -- I think you know what your own morality is, and that you believe that there is such a thing as morality -- but I don't think you really understand what morality is, and so you make nonsensical suggestions that power determines morality, and that morals can be proven. You're clearly not knowledgeable enough to make intelligent statements about it, so I strongly suggest you save yourself any more keystrokes, and kindly, but silently excuse yourself.ie those with the power to enforce their opinion are what determine morality.
It's just a part of his character. God is ultimate truth. All those things that we know to be true ("massacre is wrong", for example, is one of these truths that we just KNOW) flow out of his character and are intrinsically part of him.
Did I say that God needed an origin?Since when does God need an "origin"?
I surely didn't say it, and I didn't see anyone else say it, so I have to wonder which imaginary world you are living in where your question is relevant in the slightest.Who says I need a basis?
Unicorns are unicorns. Tautologies are tautologies. Fun is fun. You are dumb.God is God.
I came here for a battle of wits and yet you came unarmed. :\I don't need to check with someone else to know that.
I do not believe there is no God.The fool has said in his heart "there is no God", just like the believer has said in his heart "there is God".
Ladies and gentlemen, tonight the word salad is being provided by soccerballtux.Both decisions happen by faith. The unbeliever can't ever know for certain in this life, because he isn't omniscient. He has to accept it by faith-- that even though he hasn't been to the 5th dimension, that God doesn't exist there.
Does anyone else notice how desperately we try to hold onto our belief that "humanity matters"/"morality matters" etc?
Will anyone prove why these are of any more value than any other chemical reaction?
I told you why. It is who we are when we love. There is only Love and because of that, folk invented God, but there is only Love. In Love the Lover and the Beloved are one and you will never know or need to know if it is the lover who creates the beloved or the other way round. There is only Love and love creates infinite wonder.
I get the feeling you're saying this purely because you've been brought up in a society that views killing and raping and stealing as being wrong.
why do you think they still put the words "in god we trust" on money still? It's the moral well, one of the last moral values left. Tho, most god fearing people have no morals anyway. So, might as well, take it off the notes since it has no value.
I am kind of waiting for you to tell me where love comes from.
Why would it?So you think that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with raping and murder? If we did not have society to tell you that those things are wrong, it would not be wrong?
When the natural love we were born to express is destroyed by put-downs that create self hate, a child is made to hate that in him which loves. Then the only way he can be controlled is by fear and intimidation, fear that god will send him to hell to be tortured forever and modeled for him by his parents. This is the evil that the sick who practice religion create. But there is only Love and that is the aim of real religion. To hate religion is to feed the same hate it feeds. You do not need God to love, but it helps a lot of people. God is Great, the religious say. That's fine, its true, but so is the child who loves. In other words, folk can take in the idea there is something great that loves them better than they can the idea that the love they seek is just the love they once felt and were made to hate. It is much easier to believe that God has real value than that we could be worth anything. Remember, the disease we have is self hate. It is the very last thing we will ever allow ourselves to feel. God is great, but I prefer to know my real enemy.
Take comfort in the fact that religious folk are happier than others and do more for the poor. Don't be jealous of them and always run them down. You don't want to turn your own self hate into a need to make them suffer. It doesn't matter what you call the deepest reality, the true self, intelligence, God, Love, its all the same thing. The same basic goodness in you is in them and the goodness in them is in you. We are all the same. We will all disappear and become what we can't possibly imagine when we really love.
Moral behavior is any behavior that causes human groups to work together more easily.
Example:
Stealing causes distrust and enmity between animals who participate in it. If all animals in a group were to agree simply to not steal from each other, then they no longer have to watch each other quite so closely. They can save themselves the effort of protecting their possessions from each other quite so hard. They can, through this common agreement, allow themselves and others more liberty within the community. This allows them to work toward common goals more easily which gives them a solid advantage as a group over less organized animals. It doesn't matter whether they use cold logic to arrive at this conclusion or fool themselves with notions of honor and "moral ethic", the function of such behavior is clearly to provide a competitive advantage over other species. In that sense it is, in some degree, inevitably a part of the makeup of any social animal.
That's the ideal situation. We all know that humans do indeed steal from each other from time to time. That occurs in instances where circumstance or opportunity temporarily cause the advantage of an immoral act to outweight the disadvantage of breaking the moral code. The individual then commits an act that, if discovered, would have some great or small negative impact on the unity of the society as a whole if it is discovered. A race of machines might always have the greater good at the fore of their minds, but a human animal is also looking out for itself at all times.
Most people won't even think of the actual overarching purpose of morality, but rather think of it in terms of honor and sacrifice and respect. All of those things are part of it, but honor, sacrifice, and respect have reasons for existence as well. They are all the tools that nature uses to make an animal "moral", that is to say, to make an animal able to work together with it's peers. Morality is not some god-given gift, but an essential necessity for us to be what we are. We had to evolve it, both culturally and instinctually in order to compete with the rest of the world.
When you think about it, it's actually quite an incredible conspiracy.It's nearly exactly like explaining Santa Claus to children. It's easier for them to believe that Santa is some magical figure that visits every house in one night than explain how parents around the world lie to their children perpetuating a myth; that the presents are really put there by adults.
When the natural love we were born to express is destroyed by put-downs that create self hate, a child is made to hate that in him which loves. Then the only way he can be controlled is by fear and intimidation, fear that god will send him to hell to be tortured forever and modeled for him by his parents. This is the evil that the sick who practice religion create. But there is only Love and that is the aim of real religion. To hate religion is to feed the same hate it feeds. You do not need God to love, but it helps a lot of people. God is Great, the religious say. That's fine, its true, but so is the child who loves. In other words, folk can take in the idea there is something great that loves them better than they can the idea that the love they seek is just the love they once felt and were made to hate. It is much easier to believe that God has real value than that we could be worth anything. Remember, the disease we have is self hate. It is the very last thing we will ever allow ourselves to feel. God is great, but I prefer to know my real enemy.
Take comfort in the fact that religious folk are happier than others and do more for the poor. Don't be jealous of them and always run them down. You don't want to turn your own self hate into a need to make them suffer. It doesn't matter what you call the deepest reality, the true self, intelligence, God, Love, its all the same thing. The same basic goodness in you is in them and the goodness in them is in you. We are all the same. We will all disappear and become what we can't possibly imagine when we really love.
Since when did god need money? Money doesn't buy love...
Oh, look! More condescending bullshit.
The only point that you've succeeded in making here is that, apparently, you have subconscious feelings of inadequacy that you try to assuage by attempting to make others feel inferior.
You are speaking of base things- natural consequences. You are not understanding the concept of "higher". Morality has to do with right and wrong,. Consequences are an after effect of doing either right or wrong. Morality is not law. Morality is often consulted to create laws, but is not law itself. We do not need to be taught about killing and raping and stealing to think it is wrong. We naturally recoil from alot of wrong things unless we are desensitized. This "inner recoil" is part of our sense of morality. The "higher" aspect is the difference between man-made law and God-implanted inner sense of right and wrong.
So you think that there is nothing intrinsically wrong with raping and murder? If we did not have society to tell you that those things are wrong, it would not be wrong?
You know that god doesn't need money because money and love are different things. Money is just a tool of exchange. The religiously cunning try to pray of the faith of others. They know nothing about love. They are lost to it. They will never experience the only thing that has any real value. It is the hell the religious talk of, to betray love is to waste ones soul on what is worthless.
Virtue really is it's only reward, but what a reward.
God doesn't need money because everything comes from and belongs to God. Non-Christians naturally don't believe that but Christians know that they are merely stewards of money and other resources God puts in our care.
At this point I don't know how to respond to your charge of the "religious cunning" but to say that those that are, have failed in their hypocrisy to serve faithfully their God. They have failed God, and they have failed their fellow man by not being an example of the grace first shown to us in the death of Christ on the cross.
I think it was the father of nihilism and atheist Neitchze who said that since God is dead and therefore there is no moral absolute, the 20th century will be the bloodiest in history. He has not only been proven correct, but so has his reasoning. In fact, Hitler himself was inspired by Neitchze and personally gave a copy of Neitchze's works to a friend of his named Mussolini in 1938 just two years before he led Italy into WW2.
My point? There's dishonesty from people claiming to be on either side of the argument. But if you don't believe in a moral absolute, you're limited to doing only one thing: whatever it is that you damn jolly well please.
lol, uh, no
Are each of your forty six thousand posts filled with as much intelligent reasoning and insight as this one?
You were way off on any point, sorry.